Will JLA be rushed and released in 2015 to compete with Avengers?

#1 Posted by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

By the looks of it - since Will Beall has penned MOST of the script and WB is already looking for a director... Then it looks like the film is coming along quite fast. It was predicted that the movie would have a 2014 release, but it's unlikely if it's (almost) been confirmed a Batman reboot will lead into Justice League, which would likely be a 2015 release as well - SO, the real question is are Warner Bros gonna rule over Avengers in 2015? In my opinion, NO, because if the studio rushes the film and it flunks then they're screwed and Avengers will helm #1 at the highest grossing films of all time - UNLESS Warner Bros can pull if off - I think Justice League would beat Avengers 2 in terms of Box Office (obviously because Superman and Bats), but I'm not too sure on reviews (YES - I'm talking to you Roger Ebert).

#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

#3 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7818 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

I like that Idea.

#4 Posted by The_Soverighn (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

#5 Posted by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Soverighn: @Omega Ray Jay: @InnerVenom123: Guys - it's smart and creative to do it that way, but no - because if they do solo movies AFTER and want to tell a full origin story then they'd have to basically make the solo movies prequels - OR, if they wanna quickly tell they're origin stories in the ensemble movie be my guest - but it'd be a mistake. Maybe characters like Batman and Superman won't need it but Wonder Woman and Flash would need it... The JLA movie won't have enough time to explain their backstories - even if they do Watchmen-styled flashbacks it still wouldn't work because the JLA members are SEPERATE characters unlike the Watchmen where they are pretty much a family.

#6 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7818 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus: Having other characters solo outings after the JL movie being prequels could further DC's edge, if handled properly it could really work.

#7 Posted by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@Omega Ray Jay: But what about the sequels? How can you continue a story from a prequel, if the first film takes place BEFORE the ensemble? What if someone doesn't watch a certain characters films in chronological order and become confused?

#8 Posted by JohnnyGat (1568 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus said:

@The_Soverighn: @Omega Ray Jay: @InnerVenom123: Guys - it's smart and creative to do it that way, but no - because if they do solo movies AFTER and want to tell a full origin story then they'd have to basically make the solo movies prequels - OR, if they wanna quickly tell they're origin stories in the ensemble movie be my guest - but it'd be a mistake. Maybe characters like Batman and Superman won't need it but Wonder Woman and Flash would need it... The JLA movie won't have enough time to explain their backstories - even if they do Watchmen-styled flashbacks it still wouldn't work because the JLA members are SEPERATE characters unlike the Watchmen where they are pretty much a family.

Actually it still could work if they can write the characters with enough mystery with each. Have the characters be secretive and the allure of mystery is solidified I mean the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie managed to use an ensemble cast of literary figures without even needing flashbacks. Understandable that these literary characters have more history as a mainstream medium but just like comic characters a vast majority barely know the history of the characters in LXG, the same could go if the JL movie were to take that route. All they'll have to do is make a slight mention on who they are make them do badass stuff and theoretically people will be asking "this guy did some pretty sick stuff I wonder what he's about". Unless we see it done and its results I believe both arguments have enough of a point to warrant an argument. The idea of this with the JL should they do it that way is banking on creating mystery and interest in the characters, it's not gonna sell like Avengers but it will make sure that when the other heroes diverge from the group and do solo movies it would possibly be more successful than when they tried doing Green Lantern.

#9 Posted by Chaos Burn (1784 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the should try the a couple of filmes like Batman reboot and a Superman film, that features other justice league characters heavily, so that they could squeeze them into Justice League

#10 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7818 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus: The prequel that follows JLA could lead into it (or at least lean towards it) in story or at the end, then leaving the path clear for future movies.

#11 Posted by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@Omega Ray Jay: I guess... But then again, it'd still be confusing within the solo movie itself-- You know what, forget it, it's too hard to explain.

#12 Posted by JohnnyWalker (821 posts) - - Show Bio

if man of steel bombs there will be no justice league movie. theyll just keep making batman movies. so yeah, i doubt theyll ever be able to do a good jla movie. most of their solo attempts were crap. the only success in their track record: superman 1 (rest idiotic), batman 1 (see superman sequels description) and nolan trilogy (and the last one suck in that also). the fact that theyre rushing it this badly and looking at director like ben affleck makes me thing they're rabid for money.

#13 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus said:

By the looks of it - since Will Beall has penned MOST of the script and WB is already looking for a director... Then it looks like the film is coming along quite fast. It was predicted that the movie would have a 2014 release, but it's unlikely if it's (almost) been confirmed a Batman reboot will lead into Justice League, which would likely be a 2015 release as well - SO, the real question is are Warner Bros gonna rule over Avengers in 2015? In my opinion, NO, because if the studio rushes the film and it flunks then they're screwed and Avengers will helm #1 at the highest grossing films of all time - UNLESS Warner Bros can pull if off - I think Justice League would beat Avengers 2 in terms of Box Office (obviously because Superman and Bats), but I'm not too sure on reviews (YES - I'm talking to you Roger Ebert).

You sound ridiculous.

Define: "RUSHED"

In 2008 they were planning for a Justice League Mortal movie, but due to workers strike and economy downturn, it was scrapped.

Then the script was being reworked and abandoned altogether.

In 2011, they hired Will Beall to write the script all over again. Its almost completion and they're planning to tie it into Man Of Steel. They're asked Nolans but he declined and now they're searching for another director.

After the director get on board they'll probably start filming and production next year.

Movie was planned to be done ready in 2015 (Who gave you the idea its 14?) So that'll give them 2 years to film the movie, edit and post production.

(FYI MOS started filming last year and ended early this year february. Now its in post production stage. So filming would only be around 1 year or less)

That means it would've took WB 4 years to do a Justice League movie, not including the first attempt on JL and reworked script.

How long WB take? 10 year?

#14 Posted by Lvenger (19936 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

Aren't they doing that? I've heard rumours about that idea.

#15 Posted by Captain13 (3331 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Soverighn said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

#16 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7818 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus: I understand what your saying but I'm just looking at what they can do to distinguish themselves from the Marvel line, that's all I can think of at the moment.

#17 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus said:

@The_Soverighn: @Omega Ray Jay: @InnerVenom123: Guys - it's smart and creative to do it that way, but no - because if they do solo movies AFTER and want to tell a full origin story then they'd have to basically make the solo movies prequels - OR, if they wanna quickly tell they're origin stories in the ensemble movie be my guest - but it'd be a mistake. Maybe characters like Batman and Superman won't need it but Wonder Woman and Flash would need it... The JLA movie won't have enough time to explain their backstories - even if they do Watchmen-styled flashbacks it still wouldn't work because the JLA members are SEPERATE characters unlike the Watchmen where they are pretty much a family.

There is no need to do an origins story.

A Justice League movie can be shot first.

A WW and Flash spin off can be done afterwards. WW can do her origin in a non linear way, the same way Batman Begins did Bruce's origin. Show her origin in a flashback and then how what happened in the origins affected their path and link it back to that.

WW - can use a non linear way to have a flashback and show her clay origins for like 15 minutes, then find out about her greek god connections in the film.

Flash - Basically got struck by lightning and doused in chemical. BOOM. Flash. Simple.

We've seen GL, Batman and Superman already.

Its enough. No one needs to f***ing see Batman's origins again.

#18 Posted by BatWatch (2724 posts) - - Show Bio

DC should not rush the Justice League movie. If they had any sense, they would go slowly and make sure they make a quality film.

That being said, I think we can expect a movie in 2014.

#19 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@JohnnyWalker said:

if man of steel bombs there will be no justice league movie. theyll just keep making batman movies. so yeah, i doubt theyll ever be able to do a good jla movie. most of their solo attempts were crap. the only success in their track record: superman 1 (rest idiotic), batman 1 (see superman sequels description) and nolan trilogy (and the last one suck in that also). the fact that theyre rushing it this badly and looking at director like ben affleck makes me thing they're rabid for money.

WB has tons of great superhero films, Superman 1 & 2, Batman 1 & 2, Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises and probably Man of Steel.

Not to mention, WB has tons of experience producing fantasy, action, thriller and ensemble films. Yes, there were a few flops, but so what.

You're making it sound like all the other production companies aren't in it for the money. I guess thats why Sony is so eager to work on a Spiderman reboot within like 4 years. Also, yes I'm sure Fox and Disney are only making Superhero movies because they're concern about giving what fan wants and not about the money.

LOL.

#20 Posted by CODYSF (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

#21 Posted by BushidoBlack (116 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't think it would be a smart idea for WB to try to compete against The Avengers 2 in 2015. The Avengers 2 will obviously do much better than the first Avengers at the box office. It taking the first or second highest gross title would be a given. No point in trying to force competition when the competition could dethrone Avatar or Titanic.

#22 Edited by sesquipedalophobe (4732 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tyrus: You could think of it like this with the whole "competition' nonsense or you could listen to people from the same planet: introduce characters in a team movie will establish to new blood the specifics, but not too specific (so other directors can expand on the retelling). Ryan Reynolds' Green Lantern will probably not be in the Justice League. Superman will have another actor and the concept might change to better suit the team, for starters Krypton's views on interplanetary relations, their established technology (in the Last Days of Krypton, the crystalization was introduced during Zod's coup d'état and ship tech will have been abolished to demonstrate the dangers of disrupting their isolation) and yet another set standard to the Superfamily mythos. Flash might bring continuity from another movie, although it may get the same treatment as Green Lantern. Wonder Woman is a no-go. They'll bring in someone other than Martian Manhunter to bring kids into the current comics, so this means a possible PG-13 rating which will hurt the film's authenticity but not by much. There are too many variables. 
Like Innervenom said, introduce the characters later so the characters are equally established, liked and maybe even recycled (actors and all). Just because a movie might introduce spin-offs, it doesn't mean they'll be treated like spin-offs. Think of them as origin side stories, and some characters don't even need their origins retold at all. Some characters won't deserve their own films. Frankly, it doesn't matter. This is a revenge film that will be paid for in Marvel blood.  
Edit: I forgot about Aquaman yet again. No worries, there won't be an Aquaman film either.
#23 Posted by JohnnyWalker (821 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare: i said they are doing it NOW because of avengers success and it is true. and yes they are on in it only for the money because they have no other franchise to milk now that batman is over.

#24 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@JohnnyWalker: You mean, Spiderman was done because they believed in Superhero movies?

PLEASE.

Batman and Blade were the first 2 successful movies which spawned the superhero era. X-men only ever took off because of Batman and Blade.

Spiderman was done only because they saw the success in Batman and X-men.

Ironman was done because of Spiderman's success.

If Batman, Superman and Blade never had a movie or had a few box office flops, do you think studios would be interested in making superhero movies?

Every studio milks their franchise. Be it gaming studios like Capcom who milk the f*** out of their gaming franchise or Marvel who is releasing 5 Avengers book. Aren't Marvel milking Avengers?

#25 Edited by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare: Pfft - YOU sound ridiculous. You think Flash being struck by lightning and Boom his origin is done? Well mate, no - just no. Take a look at Hulk - in Avengers, one could say that Marvel ignored The Incredible Hulk's tie in with the plot but in a certain way they didn't - just because the Hulk is a new actor it doesn't mean it's a reboot... The Incredible Hulk's 2 hour plot played a crucial role in how people recognized him in the Avengers, so don't bother saying Flash and WW will be easy to pull off in 5 mins - coz they won't. Green Lantern will have to be the same (IF Ryan Reynolds will return, I'm guessing that if Ben Affleck will direct JLA then he'll kick out Reynolds and helm the Green Lantern character himself, lol) - Hopefully Will Beall won't ignore the events of Green Lantern IF that film is supposedly tied with the DC cinematic universe.

EDIT: @sethysquare: BTW, you're right about Iron Man being made because of Spider-Man - but you can pretty much say that Iron Man spawned the NEWER era of superhero movies - take a look - if you noticed, there will be at least 3 superhero movies every year now because of Iron Man's start of the whole Avengers franchise - NEXT YEAR: Iron Man 3, Kick Ass 2: Balls to the Wall, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel and The Wolverine...

#26 Edited by sesquipedalophobe (4732 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tyrus: Yes, because not everyone wants to see Barry Allen spend forty-five minutes looking through a microscope till he finally gets his powers. 
Batman Begins had a very fluid approach to explaining his origins. Hulk had used the intro as his origin.
#27 Posted by Tyrus (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe: Lol, yeah - but a full on Flash movie? Hell yeah, I don't care - as long as it get's by fast like Spider-Man...

#28 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus said:

@sethysquare: Pfft - YOU sound ridiculous. You think Flash being struck by lightning and Boom his origin is done? Well mate, no - just no. Take a look at Hulk - in Avengers, one could say that Marvel ignored The Incredible Hulk's tie in with the plot but in a certain way they didn't - just because the Hulk is a new actor it doesn't mean it's a reboot... The Incredible Hulk's 2 hour plot played a crucial role in how people recognized him in the Avengers, so don't bother saying Flash and WW will be easy to pull off in 5 mins - coz they won't. Green Lantern will have to be the same (IF Ryan Reynolds will return, I'm guessing that if Ben Affleck will direct JLA then he'll kick out Reynolds and helm the Green Lantern character himself, lol) - Hopefully Will Beall won't ignore the events of Green Lantern IF that film is supposedly tied with the DC cinematic universe.

How else can you describe Flash's origin?

He is who he is. Flash got a 90s TV series. His origins was shown in the pilot episode. But essentially it bows down to that. Flash got strucked by lightning and doused in chemicals.

Besides, Batman, Superman, WW, Flash are much bigger icons than Captain America or Thor or Iron Man before the movies. DC have more iconic heroes. People know who they are. Chances are they're going to ignore most of what happened in Green Lantern. Because Justice League isn't formed because some dude gathered them and assembled them. In almost every version, all of the heroes came together by chance. Also, no one recognized Incredible Hulk because of the movie. Nobody watched that movie. People recognize him because he is an iconic character. They know him from the TV show. Less than like 20% of the people that watched Avengers watched Incredible Hulk.

#29 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4732 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tyrus: And it will. Faster than the speed of thought.
#30 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Tyrus said:

EDIT: @sethysquare: BTW, you're right about Iron Man being made because of Spider-Man - but you can pretty much say that Iron Man spawned the NEWER era of superhero movies - take a look - if you noticed, there will be at least 3 superhero movies every year now because of Iron Man's start of the whole Avengers franchise - NEXT YEAR: Iron Man 3, Kick Ass 2: Balls to the Wall, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel and The Wolverine...

No Iron Man did not spawned the new generation of superhero movies.

The success of Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spiderman, Xmen did that. Iron Man alone only started the Avengers franchise.

#31 Edited by BushidoBlack (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare said:

@Tyrus said:

EDIT: @sethysquare: BTW, you're right about Iron Man being made because of Spider-Man - but you can pretty much say that Iron Man spawned the NEWER era of superhero movies - take a look - if you noticed, there will be at least 3 superhero movies every year now because of Iron Man's start of the whole Avengers franchise - NEXT YEAR: Iron Man 3, Kick Ass 2: Balls to the Wall, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel and The Wolverine...

No Iron Man did not spawned the new generation of superhero movies.

The success of Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spiderman, Xmen did that. Iron Man alone only started the Avengers franchise.

Now Sethysquare, let's be real here, Marvel Studios being successful has definitely caused other studios to be more proactive about their movies. In general, when a company has success after success with a product, the rival companies try to emulate that. That's simple business. From smartphones to video games, it happens all the time. Movies aren't any different. Marvel has definitely caused their rivals to be more serious. I don't know how you can refute that logically.

#32 Posted by sinestro_GL (3158 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: My idea is to have a JLA film series that deals with origins, their initial meeting and then taking on the main villain.

#33 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

Perhaps a little like what the New 52 did then? Put them together at an early time in their careers and then the individual films represent them in current stages of their life?

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#34 Posted by Funrush (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

This. JL movie, individual movies, then JL2.

#35 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@BushidoBlack said:

@sethysquare said:

@Tyrus said:

EDIT: @sethysquare: BTW, you're right about Iron Man being made because of Spider-Man - but you can pretty much say that Iron Man spawned the NEWER era of superhero movies - take a look - if you noticed, there will be at least 3 superhero movies every year now because of Iron Man's start of the whole Avengers franchise - NEXT YEAR: Iron Man 3, Kick Ass 2: Balls to the Wall, Thor: The Dark World, Man of Steel and The Wolverine...

No Iron Man did not spawned the new generation of superhero movies.

The success of Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spiderman, Xmen did that. Iron Man alone only started the Avengers franchise.

Now Sethysquare, let's be real here, Marvel Studios being successful has definitely caused other studios to be more proactive about their movies. In general, when a company has success after success with a product, the rival companies try to emulate that. That's simple business. From smartphones to video games, it happens all the time. Movies aren't any different. Marvel has definitely caused their rivals to be more serious. I don't know how you can refute that logically.

Yes, isn't that what I've said? LOL.

#36 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Its already being rushed

#37 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

It will probably be rushed, because all the big-shots see are dollar signs, and don't actually care if the movie is good or not.

#38 Posted by AssertingValor (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

If they did it right, JLA would be a much more interesting and exciting movie i believe......

#39 Edited by SHAZAM117 (3017 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets face it WB/DC shelved their "Justice League project" for a multitude of reasons and decided to go with yet again a new Batman film with Batman Begins and....SUPRISE, a Superman movie with Superman Returns...They only just recently decided to open up the Justice League movie because of the huge success that was Avengers...So yeah, Justice League is and will be rushed.....really sad thing out of all this is that WB/DC has displayed ZERO ability to get their characters right on the big screen with the exception of Bats N'Supes, and lets face it Supes hasn't had a really good movie since Superman II and that was 30yrs ago!...The fact of the matter is, is that Justice League will be rushed and more than likely will not hit the standard set by The Avengers, but I hope I'm wrong. Everything hangs in the balance with Man of Steel. If it's good and actually plants some sublte seeds to a bigger movie-verse, maybe there's hope for DC movie fans after all.

#40 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10836 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

I have months telling people this.

#41 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:

I've heard this idea before, so I'm gonna repeat it here: DC should do what Marvel did, but backwards. JL movie, then individual movies.

completely agreed
#42 Posted by CrimsonCake (2677 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as it's made I shall be pleased immensely.

#43 Edited by YoggSaron (812 posts) - - Show Bio

The aim is for the film to be released three years from now. Hardly rushing.

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