for anyone who even thinks this is an original idea you are sadly mistaken. They are copying Marvel. Marvel did it in a way NO comic fan thought would be possible. To have back to back movies that actually tie in together and then put out a super hero team movie(which NO ONE thought would be possible) and they nailed it. The movie was the great hero movie ever. Now for them to come along and then try to copy it is is utterly pathetic. DC you are better than that. Guardians of the galaxy STILL ties into the Avengers 2 movie. DC only had Christopher Nolans Batman, while Marvel had Thor, Ironman 1+2,Captain America,Hulk, Amazing Spiderman, Spiderman trilogy, and X-Men trilogy. I mean Marvel is just killing them movie wise. I'm a fan of Marvel and DC. and if it wasnt for Avengers, Dark Knight Rises would have been unstoppable. But Im like DC please be original and do something creative, because there was no real urgency for this hero movie until the Avengers came out.
Darkseid is the ultimate foe of the entire DC Universe. He would be really awesome if done right but then how do you move on to a bigger threat than that?
Darkseid is the ultimate foe of the entire DC Universe. He would be really awesome if done right but then how do you move on to a bigger threat than that?
worry about that later. Just get the first movie right. If you try and hold stuff back its doom to failure or mediocrity.
Darkseid is not the be all end all of the DC Universe
Darkseid is a very interesting character, I hope they just save it for the sequel...Now here are some of my suggestion for the plot of JLA movie:
1st : Lex Luthor. The evil Genius can always pull off some World class crisis that threaten the World, and JL will comes to stop him. It's important not to put some very powerful villain int their 1st film ...because they are still new to each other, they need time to develop their teamwork. We will expect to see some giant killer robot made by Lex to handle Supes and other heavy hitters, Batman can uses his detective skills to bring up pieces by pieces of Lex's scam and make a plan to stop it....everyone will has their opportunity to show their skills and I think half of the time they will be like the Avengers movie (Superman and Batman travels around the world to find the members)
estimate time = 2.5 hours
Sequel : Darkseid. After the 1st movie, I am sure many audience are familiar with the JL....it's time to introduce the Apokolips and Darkeid. They should set the Earth as the target of invasion of Darkseid, then the JL will unite again to defeats him. Sure, they will make some Solo movies in between these 2 JL films....and hope they make some cameo of the villain at the end of credit scene.
YES! Combine Justice League: Origin, Final Crisis, and Legends and you have a movie!
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You forgot Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
@DarthShap said:
2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.
You'd only need a monologue at the beginning of the movie to get viewers up to speed. In any zombie movie they don't showcase every human death, all they do is tell you the apocalypse happened and move to the story. So to me a superhero zombie movie could be done. The same basic idea holds true for an "Earths" movie. You don't need to do a full length movie for each earth. You just need to have a monologue.
@SUNMAN said:
@ForeverMan said:
Darkseid is the ultimate foe of the entire DC Universe. He would be really awesome if done right but then how do you move on to a bigger threat than that?
worry about that later. Just get the first movie right. If you try and hold stuff back its doom to failure or mediocrity.
Darkseid is not the be all end all of the DC Universe
I agree completely. That's what screwed the Green Lantern movie. Imagine if they had made Sinestro the main villain! He was so awesome in the movie, but they were probably saving him for a sequel and now they probably won't even get one because the first movie was so bad, in part because the main villain was so superficial. In a Justice League movie with Darkseid as the main villain the Justice League doesn't actual have to defeat Darkseid, they just stop have to him. Then by the second movie perahps Darkseid tries to invade again, but they up the ante and throw new characters into the mix. I think using Darksied is a great idea.
2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.
You'd only need a monologue at the beginning of the movie to get viewers up to speed. In any zombie movie they don't showcase every human death, all they do is tell you the apocalypse happened and move to the story. So to me a superhero zombie movie could be done. The same basic idea holds true for an "Earths" movie. You don't need to do a full length movie for each earth. You just need to have a monologue.
But those monologues do not get you invested in the universe, like, at all. Why should you care if Earth-2 disappears if you've only heard of it in a monologue? Why should you care about those heroes coming back from the dead if you have not seen them die? They are not mindless zombies at all. They are very talkative and most of what they do is talk about continuity.
YES! Combine Justice League: Origin, Final Crisis, and Legends and you have a movie!
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You forgot Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
@DarthShap said:
2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.
You'd only need a monologue at the beginning of the movie to get viewers up to speed. In any zombie movie they don't showcase every human death, all they do is tell you the apocalypse happened and move to the story. So to me a superhero zombie movie could be done. The same basic idea holds true for an "Earths" movie. You don't need to do a full length movie for each earth. You just need to have a monologue.
@SUNMAN said:
@ForeverMan said:
Darkseid is the ultimate foe of the entire DC Universe. He would be really awesome if done right but then how do you move on to a bigger threat than that?
worry about that later. Just get the first movie right. If you try and hold stuff back its doom to failure or mediocrity.
Darkseid is not the be all end all of the DC Universe
I agree completely. That's what screwed the Green Lantern movie. Imagine if they had made Sinestro the main villain! He was so awesome in the movie, but they were probably saving him for a sequel and now they probably won't even get one because the first movie was so bad, in part because the main villain was so superficial. In a Justice League movie with Darkseid as the main villain the Justice League doesn't actual have to defeat Darkseid, they just stop have to him. Then by the second movie perahps Darkseid tries to invade again, but they up the ante and throw new characters into the mix. I think using Darksied is a great idea.
oh definitely. I had a lot of problems with the GL movie besides Parrallax. Just the overall plot, Hal Jordan goes from complete noobie/terrible GL to greatest GL ever far too quickly. It was just weak all around. Your right they should have just made Sinestro the main villain. Its a shame the movie was so poor, because Mark Strong was a great Sinestro.
2)There is just no way to make a movie out of Crisis on Infinite Earths because it requires dozens of movies about those Earths otherwise people would not care about them disappearing. Same thing about the Black Lanterns, which would require hundreds of superhero deaths prior to the actual movie.
You'd only need a monologue at the beginning of the movie to get viewers up to speed. In any zombie movie they don't showcase every human death, all they do is tell you the apocalypse happened and move to the story. So to me a superhero zombie movie could be done. The same basic idea holds true for an "Earths" movie. You don't need to do a full length movie for each earth. You just need to have a monologue.
But those monologues do not get you invested in the universe, like, at all. Why should you care if Earth-2 disappears if you've only heard of it in a monologue? Why should you care about those heroes coming back from the dead if you have not seen them die? They are not mindless zombies at all. They are very talkative and most of what they do is talk about continuity.
with everything it comes down to execution. even if its acted out but sucked horribluy no one wiuld care. lord of the rings did it with monologue.
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again.
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again.
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again.
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again
I have seen a lot of people saying using Darkseid for the JL movie would be like copying The Avengers with Thanos, but if DC went the route of setting up Dardseid for a sequel or future movie wouldn't that be like copying The Avengers also?
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again
@OutlawRenegade said:
YES! Combine Justice League: Origin, Final Crisis, and Legends and you have a movie!
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You forgot Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
lol I kindly request that you relax. I didn't do anything to you. I was merely pointing out that I disagree with you. Technically including Nick Fury and Maria Hill/Phil Coulson that's eight characters in the Avengers movie so I disagree. To me it'd be stupid for DC to phase out Aquaman and Martian Manhunter cause it would be sure to attract some fan backlash. See, already @TheCannon is complaining about it and it hasn't even happened yet, no offense intended TheCannon:.
@TheCannon said:
However, I'm not happy about this. It's looking more and more likely that DC will be f*cking idiots and leave Manhunter off the roster for Cyborg.
I think MM and Aquaman could fit. Besides we don't want Justice League to be an Avengers clone do we? Aquaman and MM are two unique characters that can help diversify the roster.
For one, do I need to even draw Thanos comparisons? Yes, yes... Darkseid appeared in the comics before Thanos (1970 vs 1973), but I'm willing to bet a rather huge percentage of general moviegoers don't know that.
This is the main reason why I don't think Darkseid should be the villain for the first movie.
Now I'm no professional by any means, but it seems to me it makes more sense to set it up at a Trilogy with Vandal Savage (home born villian) to pull the league together, Braniac to act as the outsider villan for a second movie and, in laymen's terms, to have Darkseid as the main villian for the final film.
The biggest problem when it comes to the League is just it's to powerful. The reality is there really isn't a threat out there in the universe that Superman and Batman by themselves couldn't take out, between Clark's ungodly power, and Bruce's Obsessive compulsion. When you add Wonder Woman's god like nature to cover possible magical threats, and the most powerful weapon (GL ring), the Fastest Man Alive...and of course everyone's favorite Martian and Merman...you really do have to go big from the go. Considering that most of these villans get their collective asses kicked by only 1 member of the league, I can totally see why DC went the Darkseid route.
...besides, as cool as it would be, does anyone else think a Justice League/Legion of Doom movie would just turn into Mortal Kombat Annihalation, meaning a ton of cameos and plot and acting be damned?
You can't have it be the Superman/Batman hour of adventure. Audiences will want to get to know each character before their solo films. And there's no way a film can have 8 leads. Avengers had 6.
Now, I politely request that you don't do that to me again
@OutlawRenegade said:
YES! Combine Justice League: Origin, Final Crisis, and Legends and you have a movie!
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You forgot Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
lol I kindly request that you relax. I didn't do anything to you. I was merely pointing out that I disagree with you. Technically including Nick Fury and Maria Hill/Phil Coulson that's eight characters in the Avengers movie so I disagree. To me it'd be stupid for DC to phase out Aquaman and Martian Manhunter cause it would be sure to attract some fan backlash.
Except Coulson and Hill were in the movie for like 30 minutes total. They were hardly even side characters. That's what I'm saying when I'm talking about equal screen time. Also, you don't need to go into their backgrounds like you would have to in a Justice League film.
Aquaman should be saved for the sequel in a Throne of Atlantis type story. Martian Manhunter can come after that in a White Martian story.
The biggest problem when it comes to the League is just it's to powerful. The reality is there really isn't a threat out there in the universe that Superman and Batman by themselves couldn't take out, between Clark's ungodly power, and Bruce's Obsessive compulsion. When you add Wonder Woman's god like nature to cover possible magical threats, and the most powerful weapon (GL ring), the Fastest Man Alive...and of course everyone's favorite Martian and Merman...you really do have to go big from the go. Considering that most of these villans get their collective asses kicked by only 1 member of the league, I can totally see why DC went the Darkseid route.
It's not like DC is lacking in villains that can challenge the whole League though. Nor do you need a villain who can do that. Loki couldn't take all the Avengers physically but that didn't make him any less effective a villain. The relative power levels of League and the villains is perhaps the least important factor when choosing the characters.
Except Coulson and Hill were in the movie for like 30 minutes total. They were hardly even side characters. That's what I'm saying when I'm talking about equal screen time. Also, you don't need to go into their backgrounds like you would have to in a Justice League film.
Aquaman should be saved for the sequel in a Throne of Atlantis type story. Martian Manhunter can come after that in a White Martian story.
Well that's why I put Coulson and Hill together. :) Put together that's one hour. You might be able to save MM and Aquaman for a sequel and just have them make a cameo in the film, or you could even have him in the film, but not flesh out his character until later films, but you can't just phase them out of the film altogether. You already see fan backlash in the comics because they think that MM was replaced by Cyborg. If you took out Aquaman and put in Cyborg and MM there would still be backlash from supposed Aquaman fans who would claim that they took out Aquaman to put in Cyborg. And if you take out Cyborg then you get backlash from minority fans. In the end you need all of the eight characters for it to work. Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.
Also that thread doesn't really prove anything. Maybe DC is vetting out there characters, testing the waters to see what fans would accept and what they would reject or they could be trying to get fans feet wet, paving the way for a potential roster. In the end we don't know and we won't know until the movie is cast and made.
Except Coulson and Hill were in the movie for like 30 minutes total. They were hardly even side characters. That's what I'm saying when I'm talking about equal screen time. Also, you don't need to go into their backgrounds like you would have to in a Justice League film.
Aquaman should be saved for the sequel in a Throne of Atlantis type story. Martian Manhunter can come after that in a White Martian story.
Well that's why I put Coulson and Hill together. :) Put together that's one hour. You might be able to save MM and Aquaman for a sequel and just have them make a cameo in the film, or you could even have him in the film, but not flesh out his character until later films, but you can't just phase them out of the film altogether. You already see fan backlash in the comics because they think that MM was replaced by Cyborg. If you took out Aquaman and put in Cyborg and MM there would still be backlash from supposed Aquaman fans who would claim that they took out Aquaman to put in Cyborg. And if you take out Cyborg then you get backlash from minority fans. In the end you need all of the eight characters for it to work. Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.
Also that thread doesn't really prove anything. Maybe DC is vetting out there characters, testing the waters to see what fans would accept and what they would reject or they could be trying to get fans feet wet, paving the way for a potential roster. In the end we don't know and we won't know until the movie is cast and made.
Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Avengers but Wasp and Giant-man weren't. All went well. None of the founding X-Men (other than Beast) were in X-Men: First Class. All went well. Robin and friends were not in the Nolan Batman films. All went well.
And what's the point of including characters that you're not going to flesh out? That won't make anyone happy. People would just say "but my favorite didn't do enough." That was the main complaint about Thor in Avengers. And general audiences don't give two s888s about MMH. They don't know the difference between him and Cyborg beyond appearance. When I asked my gf who he was, she guessed "Lizard Man?" And IMO, Cyborg is the better choice for a franchise for all of the obvious reasons (Different than Superman. Not some other redundant alien. Less on special effects due to shapeshifting. More believable threats. More minority representation before Avengers has a minority superhero. Etc.). As for Aquaman, go to a film website instead of a comicbook website for Justice League news. Heck, go on yahoo.com. In the comments, you'll see that general audiences don't want to see Aquaman because they think he's lame.
I don't care that you have your own opinions, but don't treat them like they are the absolute truth. You don't have time travel abilities to travel to the future to see the film.
Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Avengers but Wasp and Giant-man weren't. All went well. None of the founding X-Men (other than Beast) were in X-Men: First Class. All went well. Robin and friends were not in the Nolan Batman films. All went well.
And what's the point of including characters that you're not going to flesh out? That won't make anyone happy. People would just say "but my favorite didn't do enough." That was the main complaint about Thor in Avengers. And general audiences don't give two s888s about MMH. They don't know the difference between him and Cyborg beyond appearance. When I asked my gf who he was, she guessed "Lizard Man?" And IMO, Cyborg is the better choice for a franchise for all of the obvious reasons (Different than Superman. Not some other redundant alien. Less on special effects due to shapeshifting. More believable threats. More minority representation before Avengers has a minority superhero. Etc.). As for Aquaman, go to a film website instead of a comicbook website for Justice League news. Heck, go on yahoo.com. In the comments, you'll see that general audiences don't want to see Aquaman because they think he's lame.
I don't care that you have your own opinions, but don't treat them like they are the absolute truth. You don't have time travel abilities to travel to the future to see the film.
Calm down, it's just a conversation. Why do people feel the need to get so hostile over these things.
I don't care that you have your own opinions, but don't treat them like they are the absolute truth. You don't have time travel abilities to travel to the future to see the film.
That was my point. You don't know the roster, I don't know the roster; we won't know until the movie is cast and made. I don't know how to make it any clearer. What worked for Avengers may not work for JL. Yes it's true no one had a problem with Hawkeye and Black Widow replacing Antman and Wasp, but that doesn't change the fact that already in the comics people are harping about Cyborg replacing MM. It doesn't matter what they did in X-Men or any other films, what matters is what we KNOW about Justice League and the fanbase that revolves around the book. I'm not just pulling sh!t out of my @ss. There are numerous threads that illustrate this point. I doubt DC/WB would just ignore this. And yes there are fans that don't care about Aquaman, but I almost guarantee that if they take him out all the fans that do care that are hiding in the woodwork will come out.
@xybernauts: Martian Manhunter isn't really a known commodity And as far as internet complaints go you can't read too much into them. It tends ot be from a very small vocal minority. Some of which wouldn't pick up an MM book if given the chance.
I mean going from all the noise Cassandra Cain gets online you'd think she'd be an A list character with her own solo but thats not the case. As long as the Justice League has Superman, batman and Wonder Woman fans will be okay. Green Lantern wasn't even that well known before the movie. He was known to an extent but the general audience wasn't overly familiar with him.
I'd argue that before the Justice League cartoon in 2001 most non comic readers weren't familiar with MM. Previously, he had never appeared outside of the comics except in a failed live action pilot that never aired on television.
As for the roster, Superman and Batman are givens. I'd imagine Wonder Woman would be in it. Than toss up for the rest. If your debating between MM and another founder, odds are it might not be MM going by DC's Justice League media campaign.
If DC is investing this much in marketing we can assume at least for the moment they are eying these 7 characters. Green Arrow and Hawkman are also characters DC executives view with potential. How things plays out is anyone's guess, there is no official script, cast or director yet, but we have a rough idea of what DC is hoping for as of 2012
I'll say it now for the record: this. is. a. HORRIBLE. move.
Darkseid's one of the big enemies, bigger tier than Loki was in The Avengers. Having a boss character with nobody controlling him wastes his potential without having allusions to his plans in previous films (ex. the Teresect in Captain America and Loki jumping dimensions in Thor).
I think they jumped the shark (and the whole damn ocean) with this move.
I don't know who they could fight that would make me care about this. I feel bad about it. I like the idea but all the other movies sucked so bad that... I just cant care. Wait! I would care if they had Power Girl in it. God I would love that. Make it happen!!!!
I would love it if the producers drew from Geoff Johns' Darkseid story. Cyborg would look awesome on the big screen.
That's, like, the worst Darkseid story in the last decade. Countdown included...
You could combine it with Final Crisis, Superman/Batman: Supergirl, and Legends. Then you could connect enough partially good stories to get a great story.
@OutlawRenegade: I'd rather have a coherent and engaging storyline and characterization. Awesome fight scenes you can attach anywhere. The context behind them, not so much.
@OutlawRenegade: I'd rather have a coherent and engaging storyline and characterization. Awesome fight scenes you can attach anywhere. The context behind them, not so much.
I made an entire thread as a response to this. The storyline would be coherent if written correctly. Look at how much Nolan was able to borrow from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and still turn out a pretty good trilogy.
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