@Gambit1024: I looked it up for you. (I'm such a nice guy :p) He's written Swamp Thing, The Loseers, Helblazer, Green Arrow: Year One, Batman Confidential, Superman: Rules of Engagement, Thunderbolts, Dark Reign: Hawkeye, and worked on a bunch of British books.
Edit. It was mislabeled. That's Batman: Rules of Engagement not Superman.
@Lvenger: A couple of sites. I can't remember because I was doing a lot of searching. There is a thread on here somewhere I saw earlier today that reminded of the rumor but I don't think it was the same site I heard it from. Like I said though. This is only a rumor. Don't take it as fact.
And I agree with @Gambit1024 about Cyborg as a founding member of the League. If DC wanted a racial minority founder, they could have used Black Ligtning or Vixen. Kill two birds with one stone if Vixen was a member. She's a racial minority and a female member. The Justice League is sorely lacking in female members as well. Plus Cyborg belongs on the Titans. He's been a part of many major stories and has developed his character in that series as well. If they wanted him on the Justice League, they should have waited 5 years for him to graduate to that level. That would have been vastly superior.
@Dernman: Yeah I've just googled it. A lot of sites are running that story. Though it is based on Diggle's tweet that he'd just landed the biggest job of his career. You have to admit things don't get bigger than Action Comics in the comic book world. Given the work you've provided for the guy, I'm intrigued by this rumour. Diggle would certainly be a better choice than Lobdell on Superman IMO.
Martian Manhunter guys, he's too cool for school. Cyborg will always fits in with The Teen Titans, that's where he belongs and where he'll always be loved.
@Captain13: all completely true. Except for MM''s appearances. He was a recurring guest on The Brave and the Bold, he was a central character in Justice:League heroes, he was unlock able in Lego Batman 2, he was in Justice League: Doom and Crisis on 2 Earths, had a major role in the New Frontier.
I have to say, the fact that people won't let this go disturbs me. So does people's insistence on Black Lightning being a Justice League founder.....especially seeing as how BL didn't even want to be on the League in the beginning.
@JohnnyWalker: I feel you, my friend. DC doesn't give a duck about old readers in this New 52 thing and MM is such a unique character to throw away just like that. Perhaps, they could both be in the team, if many people enjoy reading Cyborg as a JLA member. Don't know.
Who cares. You can be important without the damn JLA. Just cause Green Arrow ran around crying to get in don't mean jack. MMH has shown he can be useful to any team Real heroes don't need a team to carry them.. MMH solo's ... cause he can ...
if were going by who is more unique to the team I'd say Cyborg. He fills more of a untouched niche on the team and does it incredibly well (Engineer/Techno Wizard/Technopath)
whereas Martian Manhunter is awesome but has a lot of overlap with Superman aside from his shape morphing and telpathic abilities. And because of that he is generally downplayed because Superman is the big dog. Heck even his telepathy was downplayed at times for various reasons.
Cyborg, because the team needs better tech. Also because MM is just too damn powerful to not be leading his own team. I still like Cyborg with the Teen Titans though..
I... think I'm starting to like Cyborg on the team more than MM. But... I don't like that it's Cyborg. Basically, I'm used to and like that he's a founder now, but it still really irritates me because of my past knowledge that he is supposed to be a Titan, but that doesn't exist anymore, and...
I seriously, really, don't care. To me, what matters is that, whoever they chose, that character is done RIGHT!!!! If Martian Manhunter is chose, do him justice! If Cyborg is chosen, do him justice!
I respect Cyborg in terms of his character, his abilities and the diversity factor. But I love the Martian Manhunter and I feel like he's the definitive Justice Leaguer because he doesn't really have his own life. Cyborg would be decent in his own series, or, better yet on a team. I understand wanting to bring him up in the world and he's cool in the League....but not as a founder. If they want him to found a team, make it the New Titans...or maybe a revamped Outsiders or something.
I know it's not very logical, but it's my opinion.
I... think I'm starting to like Cyborg on the team more than MM. But... I don't like that it's Cyborg. Basically, I'm used to and like that he's a founder now, but it still really irritates me because of my past knowledge that he is supposed to be a Titan, but that doesn't exist anymore, and...
I don't know why this is a question. The simple fact is Martian Manhunter is a founder of the JLA, not Cyborg. Because of DC's revisionist history I flat out refuse to buy another JLA comic book. The bottom line is I am a customer and if DC wants my money they need to offer a product that I want. I don't want this revisionist history garbage. And if this continues into other media such as movies, then I will not watch the movies. DC will not get any money from me until they provide the product that I want at a reasonable price.
For awhile I felt the same way a lot of you do. I didn't think Cyborg belonged on the Justice League because he already has a team, the Teen Titans. And also I thought that if they wanted to add a minority member to the team it should be Black Lightning cause the BL variant, Black Vulcan used to be on the Superfriends. Then I woke up a realized that what DC comics is trying to do is make all the founding members of the Justice League characters who were in the Superfriends cartoon. Neither Martian Manhunter, nor BL were on the Superfriends, but ironically, Cyborg was. The thing is many of us don't remember because he was added to the roster near the end of the tv series when the Superfriends fought Darkside. This means everyone one of the founding members of the team is a Superfriend, including Cyborg. This is why the Robot Chicken special featured Cyborg, cause apperantly they remember this. That's why I think Cyborg is the perfect addition to the team. And in addition he adds some much needed diversity to the team.
I read something about in the Stormwatch it was mentioned that Martian Manhunter had a history with the League, see this is what I don't understand about the 52 U, it's like they are supposed to be all new, and yet all Batman's history is there(including all his Robins). It's kinda like the problem they had after Crisis on Infinite Earth's. Some things were rebooted, while others were not so it didn't all fit. So does this mean there was a JL previous to this one? I'm not really understanding all this. I know in the JL cartoon I didn't like the idea of Hawkgirl replacing Aquaman. I mean Hawkgirl, are you freaking kidding me. Also John Stewart for the Green Lantern, when Hal was the man, and I believe Kyle was the one featured in the comics at the time. You knew they did it to put some color and some more females on the team. But, you know what, it worked! I loved the JL cartoon and the JLU that followed. And there are still people today that thinks GL has always been black, and wonder who the hell Hawkman is. I even saw a thread(on here I believe) where someone was complaining because the new 52 were not using the "original" members, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl, & John Stewart. They said was DC afraid to have more than one black member and female on the team??? This cracked me up. Just goes to show, for me the JLA "big 7" will always be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Hal, Barry, & J'onn, but for others it is whatever they first knew. Like maybe Wally and Kyle replacing Hal and Barry. For those that watched the cartoons it'd be John, Wally & Hawkgirl instead of Barry, Hal & Aquaman. And now new fans will be like where the heck is Cyborg and why didn't they use him in the JL cartoon instead of making GL black.
I'm starting to really dislike MMH fanboys. Three years later, they're still salty. Get over it!!!!!!!! At the end of the f*cking day, they're still Justice League!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm loving the fact that MMH is leading his own Justice League team.
@johnny_blaze: the last comment from an MMH fanboy was over two yeArs ago. The person who bumped this thread was actually pretty fair in saying that for most people, the big even depends on who they grew up with. (Not counting the guy who posted right after)
@johnny_blaze: no, the Justice league just isn't the same without J'onn. I'll go as far to say I flat out REFUSE to accept a jla without him. Call me stubborn or a fanboy but it's the truth.
Martian Manhunter. It's not like Cyborg has become much, if any, more popular over the past 5 years. And he can fill part of the diversity quota as well by being black in his human form (although I'd argue it doesn't get any more diverse than having green skin, lol).
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