@capfan80 said:
Directing, I'm listening. Acting in it, sorry but you're banishment from superhero films has not been lifted, Ben.
He already broke that with Hollywoodland (2006).
Some stills:
It was an entertaining if depressing film.
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@capfan80 said:
Directing, I'm listening. Acting in it, sorry but you're banishment from superhero films has not been lifted, Ben.
He already broke that with Hollywoodland (2006).
Some stills:
It was an entertaining if depressing film.
I loved The Town, I didn't know he did this. But, I still don't know that I feel comfortable with him doing JLA. I feel they should go with someone who knows the source material well appreciates it and has a better history with directing movies.
I can't say whether this is potentially good or bad news. I don't hate Affleck and some may cringe but I didn't mind his role as Daredevil. It was the story that was at fault, not his acting, thought he did well. That may have nothing to do with directing a Justice League movie, but if he recognizes what went wrong with Daredevil, at the bare minimum he has a grasp on what a successful (superhero) movie should entail.
I don't know what role he could possibly play, though; is it not possible he won't act in a Justice League movie? If he did, perhaps he'd do a supporting character? Only thing that comes to mind could possibly be Flash, but honestly I'd suspect he wouldn't act in a possible JLA movie and just direct. Pure speculation on my part.
It would be great to have a Justice League movie but I was under the impression perhaps a Flash and Wonder Woman movie would get produced first. However, I would love to see a JLA movie, no matter what. Long as Joel Schumaker doesn't direct it, then we're good to go!
I really like this idea, Affleck isn't Whedon (which isn't a bad thing) and he has the directing chops to probably pull it off he'd bring a interesting style to it. The thing that makes me really support the choice is that Affleck, like Whedon, puts emphasis on story which is where a movie like that can really work - especially if you don't do individual tie-in movies that lead up to the Justice League.
In terms of him only directing movies he's in; my first thought on who he'd play was Maxwell Lord, no idea why.
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
I don't trust him. He cancelled his own show "Push, Nevada"... one of the best shows ever... and never released the episodes on DVD... and I can't find them online... well at least the last 2 eps. Someone was considerate enough to put the first 5 on youtube a few months ago.
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.
Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.
Plus you're forgetting the key ingredient to that: they're all mutants. Take ten minutes in the beginning of X-Men 1 to tell us what a mutant is, the entire cast is now free from relatively arduous backstories. Good luck trying to explain why a Kryptonian and a Martian exist in the same universe as Batman within ten minutes without prequels.
Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.
I am intrigued by this I could see it work. I'm not a huge fan of most of his acting work but I could get behind him as directer. I'm curious as to who he would play as if he stared in it as well. Steve Trevor would be a good choice. I guess maybe GL too.
@jcbart said:
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.
Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.
Plus you're forgetting the key ingredient to that: they're all mutants. Take ten minutes in the beginning of X-Men 1 to tell us what a mutant is, the entire cast is now free from relatively arduous backstories. Good luck trying to explain why a Kryptonian and a Martian exist in the same universe as Batman within ten minutes without prequels.
Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.
Pretty much.
You can't compare the X-Men's situation to the Justice League. Both are on completely different scales.
@jcbart said:
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.
Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.
Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.
1. The script has been worked on since last year and if they start production next year, they would have another 2 years to film, direct and edit. MOS ended filming since february. They have ample of time to work on the script and movie. So define how love is sweet time. 2 years for writing 2 years for filming is not enough? You mean Singer took 7 years or something for everything? Also Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X, Storm, Nightcrawler. 7 characters. Justice League have about just as many.
2. X-men was crappy because they throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters? You mean thats gonna happen to Justice League? Are you sure they're going to throw in a bunch of SFX and like what 20 members?
3. Justice League was more of a team than X-men.
Justice League was created in 1960.
X-men was created in 1963.
X-men focused on those 6 characters. Justice League have only about 5-7 characters that will appear on screen. They'll probably all have equal screen time and other side characters like Steve Trevor/Amander Waller if they appear, will probably not have much screen time. So whats your point?
1 thing you forgot, 1.6 billion revenue for Avengers and only 300mil and 500 mil for Captain America and Thor. Which means majority of the people that watched Avengers did not watch Captain America and Thor. I'm sure they don't need to see how Captain America got his shield and how Thor got his hammer to enjoy Avengers or are you saying otherwise?
Additionally, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the world's most iconic heroes of all time. (Spiderman would be the 3rd or 4th one). I'm sure everybody in the worls knows pretty much who the trinity are as compared to Captain America or Thor.
Flash also had a TV series in the 90s. And basically he is just a speedster. Do people really need to know how he got doused in a chemical and struck by lightning to enjoy Justice League? Whats so important about that? When I first started reading Flash I didn't have to look for his first appearance or read his Year One or origins to enjoy it. I know he got struck by lightning in a lab so he can run really fast. What else is there to know?
I'm skeptical. Not saying its a bad idea or neccessarily a good one. At least its not Joel Schumacher.
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.
Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.
Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.
1. The script has been worked on since last year and if they start production next year, they would have another 2 years to film, direct and edit. MOS ended filming since february. They have ample of time to work on the script and movie. So define how love is sweet time. 2 years for writing 2 years for filming is not enough? You mean Singer took 7 years or something for everything? Also Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X, Storm, Nightcrawler. 7 characters. Justice League have about just as many.
2. X-men was crappy because they throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters? You mean thats gonna happen to Justice League? Are you sure they're going to throw in a bunch of SFX and like what 20 members?
3. Justice League was more of a team than X-men.
Justice League was created in 1960.
X-men was created in 1963.
X-men focused on those 6 characters. Justice League have only about 5-7 characters that will appear on screen. They'll probably all have equal screen time and other side characters like Steve Trevor/Amander Waller if they appear, will probably not have much screen time. So whats your point?
1 thing you forgot, 1.6 billion revenue for Avengers and only 300mil and 500 mil for Captain America and Thor. Which means majority of the people that watched Avengers did not watch Captain America and Thor. I'm sure they don't need to see how Captain America got his shield and how Thor got his hammer to enjoy Avengers or are you saying otherwise?
Additionally, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the world's most iconic heroes of all time. (Spiderman would be the 3rd or 4th one). I'm sure everybody in the worls knows pretty much who the trinity are as compared to Captain America or Thor.
Flash also had a TV series in the 90s. And basically he is just a speedster. Do people really need to know how he got doused in a chemical and struck by lightning to enjoy Justice League? Whats so important about that? When I first started reading Flash I didn't have to look for his first appearance or read his Year One or origins to enjoy it. I know he got struck by lightning in a lab so he can run really fast. What else is there to know?
Uh, I think you're entirely missing the point here. I'm not saying that they need a lot of time to make the movie itself, I'm saying that you need more time to introduce each individual character. Plus, did you even watch X-Men 1? Cyclops and Storm did sweet bugger all, and Jean Grey was merely the cute, weak telepath that Wolverine flirted with. It wasn't until the sequel where she got any sort of development. The X-Men movie focussed on Wolverine and Rogue, pretty much.
Oh and, yes, the first X-Men was actually in development for at least 5 years.
I never mean to sound rude, but you're really not thinking about what I'm saying. I'm saying The Justice League movie will be a rushed piece of trash if they don't take the time to create prequel movies, and that's a fact. Say the movie is two and a half hours long. Say Wonder Woman hasn't had a movie beforehand. How long is it going to take to introduce her? How do they have time to introduce her, and Flash, and Martian Manhunter, and bring the team together, and give us a good villain? They can't. Not in two and a half hours. Not at all.
The X-Men are a team; a singular unit. The Justice League is a group of individual heroes, each with varying backstories and origins. In The Avengers, they could get away with Hawkeye because he's a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who specialises in archery. Handwaving The Flash in a similar fashion? Very poor story telling.
Yes, people know who Batman and Superman are, but Martian Manhunter? Flash? Even Wonder Woman? No. No-one I know in real life knows these characters, believe it or not. They hadn't heard of Iron Man or Captain America or Thor either before they saw the films. People may know the name Wonder Woman, but if the film makers take that for granted they have failed instantly as movie makers.
Oh and I'd say that about 60% of people who saw The Avengers went and saw it again because they loved it. Hence the far higher revenue.
Plus last I heard, Ben Affleck said he would definitely never play a super hero again. It was too embarassing so nope, no Ben Affleck as Flash or whatever or whoever.
FYI, the timing of our JUSTICE LEAGUE story had NOTHING to do w/ Disney's announcement of Whedon's Avengers 2. We've been on Ben for weeks!
https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/233329192656310272
I wonder if a two-part movie could work? Part one is the whole setup of story and characters with individual action sequences and part two a year later with the big finale! Kind of like what the Hobbit is doing or Lord of the Rings.
Just a suggestion. I don't think its necessary to have previous movies to establish characters, but I agree that 2.5 hours isn't enough to have a proper story with origins included.
@jcbart said:
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
@sethysquare said:
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.
That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.
Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.
Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.
1. The script has been worked on since last year and if they start production next year, they would have another 2 years to film, direct and edit. MOS ended filming since february. They have ample of time to work on the script and movie. So define how love is sweet time. 2 years for writing 2 years for filming is not enough? You mean Singer took 7 years or something for everything? Also Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X, Storm, Nightcrawler. 7 characters. Justice League have about just as many.
2. X-men was crappy because they throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters? You mean thats gonna happen to Justice League? Are you sure they're going to throw in a bunch of SFX and like what 20 members?
3. Justice League was more of a team than X-men.
Justice League was created in 1960.
X-men was created in 1963.
X-men focused on those 6 characters. Justice League have only about 5-7 characters that will appear on screen. They'll probably all have equal screen time and other side characters like Steve Trevor/Amander Waller if they appear, will probably not have much screen time. So whats your point?
1 thing you forgot, 1.6 billion revenue for Avengers and only 300mil and 500 mil for Captain America and Thor. Which means majority of the people that watched Avengers did not watch Captain America and Thor. I'm sure they don't need to see how Captain America got his shield and how Thor got his hammer to enjoy Avengers or are you saying otherwise?
Additionally, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the world's most iconic heroes of all time. (Spiderman would be the 3rd or 4th one). I'm sure everybody in the worls knows pretty much who the trinity are as compared to Captain America or Thor.
Flash also had a TV series in the 90s. And basically he is just a speedster. Do people really need to know how he got doused in a chemical and struck by lightning to enjoy Justice League? Whats so important about that? When I first started reading Flash I didn't have to look for his first appearance or read his Year One or origins to enjoy it. I know he got struck by lightning in a lab so he can run really fast. What else is there to know?
Uh, I think you're entirely missing the point here. I'm not saying that they need a lot of time to make the movie itself, I'm saying that you need more time to introduce each individual character. Plus, did you even watch X-Men 1? Cyclops and Storm did sweet bugger all, and Jean Grey was merely the cute, weak telepath that Wolverine flirted with. It wasn't until the sequel where she got any sort of development. The X-Men movie focussed on Wolverine and Rogue, pretty much.
Oh and, yes, the first X-Men was actually in development for at least 5 years.
I never mean to sound rude, but you're really not thinking about what I'm saying. I'm saying The Justice League movie will be a rushed piece of trash if they don't take the time to create prequel movies, and that's a fact. Say the movie is two and a half hours long. Say Wonder Woman hasn't had a movie beforehand. How long is it going to take to introduce her? How do they have time to introduce her, and Flash, and Martian Manhunter, and bring the team together, and give us a good villain? They can't. Not in two and a half hours. Not at all.
The X-Men are a team; a singular unit. The Justice League is a group of individual heroes, each with varying backstories and origins. In The Avengers, they could get away with Hawkeye because he's a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who specialises in archery. Handwaving The Flash in a similar fashion? Very poor story telling.
Yes, people know who Batman and Superman are, but Martian Manhunter? Flash? Even Wonder Woman? No. No-one I know in real life knows these characters, believe it or not. They hadn't heard of Iron Man or Captain America or Thor either before they saw the films. People may know the name Wonder Woman, but if the film makers take that for granted they have failed instantly as movie makers.
Oh and I'd say that about 60% of people who saw The Avengers went and saw it again because they loved it. Hence the far higher revenue.
Well, Justice League was in development for way longer than that. There was Justice League mortal and another Justice League movie planned for next year and everything kept getting re-written.
I am thinking about what you're saying.
But I don't understand why is it that every single f**ing movie in the world had no prequels and no lead in and they managed to do fine. Justice League the animated series took 3 episodes to show how the team formed together. They included WW's origins. Batman and Superman did not need that. Flash just ran into the screen. No one really need to know how he got his powers.
MM will probably not be in the team.
So you're saying X-men is not a group of individual heroes? Theres no backstory to how storm was mistreated by her dad or step dad, how wolverines got his "origins" and etc? All these are not important? X-men are not individual heroes?
Yes, people know who Batman and Superman are, but Martian Manhunter? Flash? Even Wonder Woman? No. No-one I know in real life knows these characters,
MM will not be in the film most probably.
Flash had his 90s TV show and Flash was a much more iconic hero than Captain America and Thor before the movie. He has been embedded in the pop culture.
Also did you just say No one you know in real life knows who Wonder Woman is?
Oh and I'd say that about 60% of people who saw The Avengers went and saw it again because they loved it. Hence the far higher revenue.
Show me the proof. I don't believe 60% of the people watched it again. Is there a poll where I can access it.
Just because you love the marvel way does not mean it'll be right.
Justice League the animated series took 1 hour to tell the origins of how the team came together and included WW's origins.
New Frontier took 80 minutes to show how the team got together and even included Green Lantern's origin.
Not sure why people are so obsessed with wanting to see prequels and origins.
I have seen Batman's origin a million times.
Superman likewise.
Green Lantern's origin was just shown.
Wonder Woman's origin was being played on TV all the time. Growing up, I've seen her adventures on the late 70s TV show.
I've also seen Flash's origin on the 90s TV series.
5 of them pretty much already formed the Justice League
@jcbart said:
Bloody hell.
They're rushing so much to churn this all out.
They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.
They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.
Agreed. Avengers had several movies supporting it before it even came out. It seems like all JL will have is Man of Steel and MAYBE Green Lantern 2. I doubt fans will let them go for a smaller JL either (Supes, WW, Batman, GL, and Flash is fine for the first movie imo, but many seem to disagree) so we're gonna get one big mess of a movie.
Also, perhaps some may see that as blasphemous but...regarding the unpopular Daredevil movie...I liked the Director's Cut. It's not my favourite movie of all time, and certainly not my favourite comic book movie of all time, but it's way, way better than the theatrical cut atleast.
@sethysquare: And you know why a Justice League movie has been in development for longer than that? Because it can't work on it's own.
You don't understand why every movie in the world didn't need a prequel to do fine? I'm sorry... what? Every movie in the world? That doesn't even make sense. I'm not talking about every single movie out there. I'm talking about a Justice League movie.
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. As a team the X-Men work as a singular unit because they're all the same. They're mutants. They have the same superhero origin. I don't know HOW MUCH I can stress this enough. You can handwave any character after the first ten minutes of X-Men 1 because, "oh, they're a mutant. This is their mutant power." It's easy. You can't do that with Wonder Woman, or with Flash. Not if you want to do any sliver of justice to the comics, the fans or just want to make a decent movie in general.
You can see what trying to give a fleshed out background with Wolverine did to the X-Men movies. It consumed them.
I said that people know who Wonder Woman is, but not what she is. There is no argument here saying that Wonder Woman is ingrained into pop culture so that means she doesn't need an origin story. That is the worst possible creative decision I have ever heard. The number one rule is to eliminate the possibility that the audience know's who the character is. That's the groundwork for introducing a character into a movie. You work your way up. Just because everyone knew who Spider-Man was, Sam Raimi didn't just ignore his origin, did he? He did not.
Yes, but you're a fan. You grew up watching all these origins because you were a fan and they made you a fan. Children who watch Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes will know who Ant Man is, but that doesn't mean that every possible consumer for the movie knows who he is. That doesn't mean that, because fans know Ant Man, they don't need to do an origin story. This is for a wider audience than all of that put together. This is bigger than any cartoon Justice League film. This is a film that will attract millions of people. Millions of people who only know that Wonder Woman is, "that chick in the bikini and has a rope."
@jcbart: Agree to disagree. What worked for Avengers may not necessarily work for Justice League.
Also Justice League and Avengers isn't the only ensemble film in Hollywood. I'm sure you can think of tons of ensemble films where each character has his or her own origins story and some were told in the film others were just briefly mentioned.
Even if I did not know what Flash's origins are, all I need to know is that he got struck by lightning and the chemicals fell on him. Why can't you do that with the Flash? What is so complicated about that? MM never had his origins told either. He was just an alien that came to earth. WW's origin was told in Justice League TAS. Shes an amazon and she stole the braces and lasso because she knows an impending danger in arriving upon earth. The only person that needs an origin is Wonder Woman and Cyborg if he appears.
@DDangelico said:
@JohnnyWalker: THE TOWN and GONE BABY GONE are both stellar films mostly due to Affleck's direction, and ARGO looks like it will be solid as well...
This may not be such a bad idea.
100% Exactly, Absolutely, Positively CORRECT :)
We can all sit back and think of the youngster in Armageddon or Good Will Hunting, but Affleck has proven (with The Town, especially) that he can handle an ensemble cast, handle quiet character moments, and shoot action scenes. Immediately shrugging him off as a joke pick is exactly the wrong thing to do. Hopefully that mindless stigma will vanish over time, because his directing career will be far more brilliant than his acting career.
Hopefully he'll have a smaller, supporting role such as Steve Trevor or (if need be) a flashback character. I support the notion of Affleck directing, I just would prefer they didn't rush into a Justice League movie as a response to The Avengers.
@sethysquare: It may not work for The Justice League, but there's a reason why The Avengers holds 92% on Rotten Tomatoes and why it's the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time. It would be wise for Warner Bros. to sit and take notes rather than say, "So..... money?"
Because that's all they're doing. There's no way to cover that up. They just want to cash in on The Avengers' success, and if they rush things, which it sounds like they are, the film can join Green Lantern and Fantastic Four where it belongs.
@RMurray said:
@DDangelico said:
@JohnnyWalker: THE TOWN and GONE BABY GONE are both stellar films mostly due to Affleck's direction, and ARGO looks like it will be solid as well...
This may not be such a bad idea.
100% Exactly, Absolutely, Positively CORRECT :)
We can all sit back and think of the youngster in Armageddon or Good Will Hunting, but Affleck has proven (with The Town, especially) that he can handle an ensemble cast, handle quiet character moments, and shoot action scenes. Immediately shrugging him off as a joke pick is exactly the wrong thing to do. Hopefully that mindless stigma will vanish over time, because his directing career will be far more brilliant than his acting career.
Hopefully he'll have a smaller, supporting role such as Steve Trevor or (if need be) a flashback character. I support the notion of Affleck directing, I just would prefer they didn't rush into a Justice League movie as a response to The Avengers.
You do know that Good Will Hunting is written by Ben Affleck and he won Academy, Golden Globe awards and other awards for the screenplay right?
@jcbart said:
So... No lead in = fail.
That is very objective of you.
You have your own sets of thoughts and that is your problem. When and if the movie is out, do yourself a favour and don't watch it. Award winning or not.
Wasn't a real fan of The Town but so far the upcoming Argo movie looks like I could be wrong about Affleck's directing ability. I don't know though...I just can think of so many other better candidates to direct a possible JL movie than him. Need time to think on that though lol.
I agree with a lot of people on the idea that this is being rushed. Why I would like to believe that in the end we get a great movie that has a lot of success and what not, I just don't see it. I have a feeling this could be going down hill quick. But we will see, I hope my feeling is wrong.
Now that I think about it... Ben Affleck could be a decent choice... His movie 'The Town' was pretty damn good.. And plus he is a comic book fan.... Hmmm
@DDangelico said:
@JohnnyWalker: THE TOWN and GONE BABY GONE are both stellar films mostly due to Affleck's direction, and ARGO looks like it will be solid as well...
This may not be such a bad idea.
Very true. He's a good director, but not that great of an actor. Plus, if he's in the film he'd like kinda old (Hollywood old).
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