@sethysquare said:
@hectorsquall: You do know that tokenism is a form of racism right? He was included because of his character and skill set. If DC wanted to have a token black character it could easily be Vixen or Black Lightning. So, no he wasn't chosen because he is a token black character and it also implies that DC is racist if they practice tokenism.
Tokenism was definitely part of it, I like Johns as a writer and I don't think he's necessarily racist but a part of Cyborgs involvement in the league was definitely because in this day and age only history obsessed comic fans and racist want the world's greatest Super Team to be all white in complexion (one green dude aside) and mind set. I'm black and I don't feel that Dc is racist for using Cyborg as a token minority I actually feel somewhat glad that they felt someone other than white people deserved to be a league founder. However Tokenism wasn't his only reason for inclusion his connection to technology in a world where technology continuously gains power is why he edged out more long standing characters like Black Lightning
Secondly, I don't see how people are hating Dick Grayson's return to Nightwing since it practically erased his history of being Batman. Yes, theres some hating, but not as much as this. Also, saying things like people hate Cyborg's inclusion to JLA because it wiped out the continuity of previous writing is just an excuse. Birds of Prey, Stormwatch, Blue Beetle, Earth 2, Worlds' finest and tons of other books are also reboot, yet these titles in particular have been receiving overwhelming amount of love ever since people started reading the first issue. Also, theres a difference between hating Cyborg's inclusion and hating Cyborg.
All of these things received variant degrees of hate, some more than others and some less, Nightwing for example didn't get that much hate because his time as Batman has been confirmed to have happened and has been addressed in story both before and after the reboot. Cyborg garnered more hate because he was on a larger stage than everyone else on DC's top title, the character gets more hate because Comic fans as a general rule seem to not understand where to level there dislike much like storm is now a hated character almost solely because her fans are insufferable
Hawkgirl was a founding member in the comics in one of the incarnation. That didn't stop her from being hated. Neither did she received the amount of discriminatory comments that people are showering to Cyborg.
Before my time, but I take it that that was re conned. That being said, race is definitely a contributing reason that Cyborg gets more hate than many characters would I agree with you about that. There are many people who aren't traditionally racist but are covertly racist and due to hundreds of years of conditioning that is in no way there own fault are pre programmed to hold more against some races than others, the most not racist man in the world would probably complain more about Cyborg than Black Canary without even fully realizing why, like Avenue Q said were all a little racist
It wasn't so much of how we can't blame people for not liking this change. Its the fact that should it have been someone else like Green Arrow, responses might be alot different than it is today. So saying that because he replaced MM is also an excuse. I agree that he is an integral part of JLA, but he has not been able to contribute much to the stories. So much so he was "kicked off" JLA in JLU and he wasn't really given much of a job except being a Deus ex machina which @Icarusflies: mentioned. So replacing a deus ex, with another deus ex seems fair. Another thing about MM is that he is way too overpowered, he is practically Superman with more powers and plus the fact that he isn't relatable at all and can't hold his own series, I think its fair that DC replaced him.
The only time I ever seen MM being written well is in New Frontier, as an origin story. Other than that as the story progress, theres really nothing much you do with him, that others can't.
No MM really did have allot of fans and even more people who respected or were just used to him, he had allot of heart warming moments and stories with the JL so people complaining about his absence do in general genuinely miss him and it's not an excuse while several things you said about MM are true that doesn't stop him from having fans who actually care. But yeah Green Arrow would have gotten much less hate for race and other reasons chiefly among those other reasons is being the Leagues traditional 8th wheel.
Finally I support Cyborgs spot on the League
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