Isn't the JLA's title a trifle passe nowadays?

#1 Posted by Paracelsus (1595 posts) - - Show Bio

 Hot on the heels of Superman's decision to formally renounce his US citizenship ( Action Comics #900) and "go global"- it just occurred to me- isn't the JLA's official title "Justice League of America" more than a little passe in the 21st century. After all how many of the League's members are American citizens by birth( Green Lantern, Batman, Aquaman definitely, Wonder Woman and Superman maybe, Martian Manhunter  definitely not), and in an era of "globalization" doesn't this imply a certain parti pris attitude to a particular country( Marvel is more circumspect- the Avengers call themselves "Earth's Mightiest Heroes", the FF has from the beginning pledged itself to use its powers for the benefit of humanity and not just Uncle Sam-even Captain America says that he represents the ideals of America and not just the policies of the current Administration)? Besides, even with the Cold War fading into history, there are STILL countries not on good terms with the US- Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Venezuela -how does the JLA deal with them?
 
Terry

#2 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7668 posts) - - Show Bio

They could reorganise into the JLE perhaps?

#3 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

That's why the new series isn't called Justice League of America or JLA but simply Justice League

#4 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2202 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate the whole America/Europe/International thing, anyway, especially when they often deal with planetary threats or threats in other countries.  I'm glad they're dropping the America part.

#5 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@ThanosIsMad said:
I hate the whole America/Europe/International thing, anyway, especially when they often deal with planetary threats or threats in other countries.  I'm glad they're dropping the America part.
Now you have Dark!
#6 Posted by Paracelsus (1595 posts) - - Show Bio

Some posters (who shall be nameless!) miss the point of my comment. During WWII and the Cold War, the close relationship between heroes (Marvel; and DC) may have had some validity inasmuch as the United States government was clearly"on the side of the angels", but nowadays esp with things like l'affaire Iraq and globalization making societies closer than they have ever been before, why continue in what strikes me as a form of "captivity"-if a JLA member or the team collectively chase a villain into another country(one neither an ally , military or diplomatic), say the Russian Federation or Cuba-or Iran/Venezuela, can they claim that the authority given them by the US supersedes the sovereignty of that other nation(it is noteworthy that the then Bush Administration asserted that the reason for its opposition to the International Crminal Court was that it "infringed on American sovereignty")? No, it would be better to ask for a charter or authrority from an international authority such as the UN!
 
Terry

#7 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Paracelsus said:
Some posters (who shall be nameless!) miss the point of my comment. During WWII and the Cold War, the close relationship between heroes (Marvel; and DC) may have had some validity inasmuch as the United States government was clearly"on the side of the angels", but nowadays esp with things like l'affaire Iraq and globalization making societies closer than they have ever been before, why continue in what strikes me as a form of "captivity"-if a JLA member or the team collectively chase a villain into another country(one neither an ally , military or diplomatic), say the Russian Federation or Cuba-or Iran/Venezuela, can they claim that the authority given them by the US supersedes the sovereignty of that other nation(it is noteworthy that the then Bush Administration asserted that the reason for its opposition to the International Crminal Court was that it "infringed on American sovereignty")? No, it would be better to ask for a charter or authrority from an international authority such as the UN!  Terry
Since when was the JLA government funded? Like at all...It was Oliver Queen then Bruce Wayne that funded it. JLI was UN.
#8 Posted by RedK (2521 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
@Paracelsus said:
Some posters (who shall be nameless!) miss the point of my comment. During WWII and the Cold War, the close relationship between heroes (Marvel; and DC) may have had some validity inasmuch as the United States government was clearly"on the side of the angels", but nowadays esp with things like l'affaire Iraq and globalization making societies closer than they have ever been before, why continue in what strikes me as a form of "captivity"-if a JLA member or the team collectively chase a villain into another country(one neither an ally , military or diplomatic), say the Russian Federation or Cuba-or Iran/Venezuela, can they claim that the authority given them by the US supersedes the sovereignty of that other nation(it is noteworthy that the then Bush Administration asserted that the reason for its opposition to the International Crminal Court was that it "infringed on American sovereignty")? No, it would be better to ask for a charter or authrority from an international authority such as the UN!  Terry
Since when was the JLA government funded? Like at all...It was Oliver Queen then Bruce Wayne that funded it. JLI was UN.
but the US government has backed them up and supported them. 
 
Also in an issue of Green Lantern Hal was chasing some rouge space villian and the russian government brought clams that he was breaking laws by tresspassing on foreign soils, even theough the guy he was after was not from earth and Hal was acting on behalf of an intergalactic police force. the same thing has happened with Supes on more then one occasion, Action Comics #900 being the most recent.
#9 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?

#10 Edited by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio

It's just going to be called 'Justice League' come September

#11 Posted by RedK (2521 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?
never thought about that before, really it shouldn't be called the united states of america since all of america isn't united they should call it the Northen States of America
#12 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedK: No.. It should be called States of America North of Mexico and South of Canada... SANoMaSoC! Nyehehehe!
#13 Posted by Mahzian (117 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad they are dropping "America" from the title, it only adds nostalgic value, and seems to be pandering to patriotic readers, I've read the series for years and it never really made sense to me. 

#14 Edited by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:

On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?

@ssejllenrad said:

@RedK: No.. It should be called States of America North of Mexico and South of Canada... SANoMaSoC! Nyehehehe!


 
Because they're states that are united in America. That's why until the US Civil War it was "These United States of America," and not "The United States of America" in fact in some more formal forms of reference it's still referred to as "These United States of America"
 
There's no requirement that all of the states on the American continents be part of the US, just some, which some are.
 
@RedK said:
@TheCrowbar said:
@Paracelsus said:
Some posters (who shall be nameless!) miss the point of my comment. During WWII and the Cold War, the close relationship between heroes (Marvel; and DC) may have had some validity inasmuch as the United States government was clearly"on the side of the angels", but nowadays esp with things like l'affaire Iraq and globalization making societies closer than they have ever been before, why continue in what strikes me as a form of "captivity"-if a JLA member or the team collectively chase a villain into another country(one neither an ally , military or diplomatic), say the Russian Federation or Cuba-or Iran/Venezuela, can they claim that the authority given them by the US supersedes the sovereignty of that other nation(it is noteworthy that the then Bush Administration asserted that the reason for its opposition to the International Crminal Court was that it "infringed on American sovereignty")? No, it would be better to ask for a charter or authrority from an international authority such as the UN!  Terry
Since when was the JLA government funded? Like at all...It was Oliver Queen then Bruce Wayne that funded it. JLI was UN.
but the US government has backed them up and supported them.   Also in an issue of Green Lantern Hal was chasing some rouge space villian and the russian government brought clams that he was breaking laws by tresspassing on foreign soils, even theough the guy he was after was not from earth and Hal was acting on behalf of an intergalactic police force. the same thing has happened with Supes on more then one occasion, Action Comics #900 being the most recent.

Uhhh Hal Jordan uses his jurisdictional authortity of being a huge ass---- err Green Lantern to do that not the US.  And Superman got into s--- with the United States in AC 900 and supes put that false idea down.  Many times the JLA have gone against the US government, hell Batman still has warrants out on him, Superman is an illegal alien, Martian Manhunter as well.  Hal Jordan could be considered a military deserter or at very least a security risk to the US because he's sworn an Oath to Oa after he swore one to the US Armed Forces.  
 
Hell in the most recent iteration of the Justice League(the cartoon I'm referring to) they had a mini-cold war with Cadmus a Meta-human arm of the US Government.
#15 Posted by Paracelsus (1595 posts) - - Show Bio

I NEVER said or implied that the JLA was funded or controlled by the US Government(clearly it is not)-but only to note that the close ties between the JLA and various organs of the US Government( law enforcement, intelligence) might draw into question the objectivity or impartiality of an entity that calls itself "The Justice League of AMERICA" aswould many governments (and NOT just those known not to be on friendly terms with the US- such as North Korea, Iran or Venezuela). I don't know much about the Oath to Oa Hal Jordan swore but it demonstratably does not seem to conflcit with his loyalty to the US Constitution.
 
Terry

#16 Posted by webling (143 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?
That's just what we call ourselves in English. I know in Spanish they say "estadounidense" which means UnitedStatesan.
#17 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?
Comes from the XiXth century after it became a world power and the only one that America had. As far as Europe was concerned the United States was the only country worth mentioning and thus it became a synonym with the continent. 
 
Then again one would have thought that 2 hundred years later people would have finally caught up. What with Canada, Brazil and USA having strong economical presence and Mexico (yes mexico) as an always growing power.
#18 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer just "Justice League."

#19 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Paracelsus said:
I NEVER said or implied that the JLA was funded or controlled by the US Government(clearly it is not)-but only to note that the close ties between the JLA and various organs of the US Government( law enforcement, intelligence) might draw into question the objectivity or impartiality of an entity that calls itself "The Justice League of AMERICA" aswould many governments (and NOT just those known not to be on friendly terms with the US- such as North Korea, Iran or Venezuela). I don't know much about the Oath to Oa Hal Jordan swore but it demonstratably does not seem to conflcit with his loyalty to the US Constitution.  Terry
Fair enough, now on the points you brought up.
 
1.) When has the JLA ever used any of the "organs" of the US Government for anything. The only thing close I can think of was when the US gets attacked the coordinate with the US Air Force, but that would be expected of any nation the JLA is defending. The funny thing is in WWIII storyline the JLA actually doesn't actually ask the US for authority to go after Black Adam they waited for the Chinese government's heroes to say yes it's okay to enter. 
 
2.) His Oath is to defend the US and uphold the US Constitution. If the US was under an attack and he's fighting an invasion at Tau Ceti, he automatically fails his oath to the US.  Hell he already did, the destruction of Coast City. He also withholds valuable technology from the US that could be vital to US defense and interests. 
#20 Posted by StarKiller809 (1238 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't like to think about this. I think that comics should try to stay away from boundries of counrties. I also don't like bringing religion and politics into the mix. The JLA was made in a time where they were America's heroes and now people think that they should become world heroes. I think this was kinda solved by Justice LEague Internatinal, but I'm not sure.
#21 Posted by PowerHerc (83261 posts) - - Show Bio

It was created as the Justice League of America and has been called that for the vast majority of it's existence. Keeping "America" in the name would be a good thing to do. Who is DC trying to cater to, anyway? And why would anyone who already likes the team be offended or put off by having "America" in the name? Why so sensitive?

#22 Posted by Paracelsus (1595 posts) - - Show Bio

Much as we might like to live in a world where nationality and religion are not live issues( remember the flap about the "Muslim Batman"?), these issues are real and must be addressed. As for Hal Jordan's Oath to Oa conflicting with his one to the US Air Force- the issue should be which threat is greater- and remember that the US's safety CANNOT be discussed in isolation from that of Earth's as a whole, besides,Jordan as a Green Lantern is required to be a "global patriot" as opposed to a purely parochial one!(Giving extraterrestrial technology to the US woula arguably give an unfair advantage to America that other nations did not have)
 
Terry

#23 Posted by Billy Batson (57939 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nighthunter said:
That's why the new series isn't called Justice League of America or JLA but simply Justice League

Good. 

BB

#24 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
On a more serious note... Why is "America" always equated to just the US? Consequently, "Americans" to just US citizens?
Because that's the way it has always been. Its the United States of America, Mexico isn't America, neither is Canada, Panama, Honduras, or even Puerto Rico. Those people call themselves by the country they originate. People tend to forget that the States at one time were like little countries and the United came about as they all adhered to a central government, and that's one reason for the Civil War because certain people associated more with their State identity then they did with their national identity, heck people do that even now.
#25 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  I think it's more important to think about the fact there is now a Justice League with the 6 big name heroes, then there's the Justice League International.  If the new Justice League isn't "American" but global, why do you need an international League?  Stupid.

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