@modunhanul: No you said looks. And Ryan played a cocky airforce pilot concvincingly. He was the exact same Hal as the one in Secret Origin. Kyle Rayner is a sweet, creative, peaceful artist. Reynolds did not play anything resembling Kyle whatsoever, fanboy.

@citizenbane: Given that you think that means you know nothing about John before the Geoff Johns era.

I dare say I've forgotten more John Stewart stories than you even know exist, but go on.

@citizenbane: The Marine development of John Stewart's history came about in the mid 2000s. At his debut, he was a socially activist and an architect.

Anything with John under Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams is awesome and full of life. He was the maverick of the corps before Hal Jordan was.

In addition, in Green Lantern Mosaic (by the great Gerard Jones), John wasn't just smart, he was an intellectual who used his brains and multi-faceted personality to defend the Mosaic world.

I like how you're trying to judge a character on 1 run. I guess since Scott Lobdell is writing Superman, Superman is a s****y character, right? Brush up on John Stewart. Johns's interpretation is the worst one of that character. Even a children's cartoon did it better. There, they made him more like Captain America in terms of personality.

But you already knew all that since you've posted in the John Stewart appreciation thread several times. So you'll probably just try to tell me that these stories re not memorable because they didn't happen when Johns wrote them. Are there any memorable Hal stories in which he doesn't mas murder a city before Johns wrote him?

Now that we're entering a new era of Green Lantern, let's see if your precious Hal holds up without Geoff Johns playing favorites and calling him the best without showing it. In Hal's shoes during Sinestro Corps War, rage of the Red Lanterns, Blackest Night, John, Guy, and Kyle would have made the same decisions but acted more professionally. And John and Kyle are sure as heck better fits on the Justice League personality wise.

Nice copy/paste, must have taken real skill. I'm not even sure why you people keep cribbing about how pointing out how colossally boring Stewart is implies I must love Johns and Jordan even though I'm not fond of either; perhaps making up strawman arguments to compensate for a half-baked position is just the easy thing to do? It seems to come naturally to you. My "precious Hal"? Lol. Hal could die in a fire for all I care. I'd point out that the facet of John's history as a Marine sniper came about during the run of --- you guessed it ---, Johns the Hated One, but I cannot deal with that level of outraged screeching right now.

Early John Stewart was a social activist because all of Denny O'Neil's 70's-80's work revolved around social activism. It was a recurring theme that the dude championed in all of his work during that period. In smaller doses he had the depowered Karate Wonder Woman running around fighting slave traders, in larger, more well known doses, he created an eco-terrorist named Ra's al Ghul and had the whole Roy-doing-drugs arc of Green Lantern/Green Arrow. You guys complain about the fact that he hasn't been portrayed as a social activist since or irregularly at best? It has nothing to do with Johns. It's more to do with the fact that the social activism angle was a uniquely O'Neil theme that no other writer shared an interest with or even cared as much about.

I do not have the slightest clue why you are posting scans of John's marriage to Katma Tui or him talking to Green Arrow about food. Setting aside the fact that Katma Tui was easily one of the most irritating GL supporting cast characters and fully deserved to die for that alone, you could have at least cut out all the irrelevant scans while you were copy/pasting Superdork's vignettes. I am not judging a character by one run, nor did I ever claim to do so. I have read the majority of John Stewart's appearances. You are criticizing me for supposedly judging John Stewart by his portrayal under Geoff Johns, a pattern of behavior that did not exist until you made it up and started criticizing me for it. Please, get real. If anything, you are judging John Stewart by one run, as does every Stewart fan when they fondly reminisce about Mosaic --- it's pretty much the only time in GL history when John has been remotely significant to the Corps at large, and ever since it ended, nothing he's done has had any kind of lasting impact on the GLC. He was put in charge of the Mosaic World --- does anyone care? Has it ever made the slightest difference to the Corps? He was the first mortal Guardian --- again, who cares? Not only have the things John did during his greatest portrayal ever never amounted to anything worthwhile for anyone other than John, writers don't even bother acknowledging them. These stories aren't memorable because nothing that took place within those changes made the slightest difference to anyone other than John Stewart. They hold no significance outside of his own experience, and as such they do nothing for his standing in the Corps since there's no contribution to the GLC's greater mythos. Are there any memorable Hal stories before Johns? Sure. Emerald Dawn II and Quiver are nice. The former actually made a major difference to the GLC with Sinestro's defeat and exile from the Corps, unlike Mosaic. The Hard Traveling Heroes era was nice too.

the movie is one thing but why in a trailer promoting a superman origin movie would you clutter it with the presence of another character that has nothing to do with the origin. Movie trailers while seem easily slapped together are thought out at times. So far all of these tv spots and trailers have been good I doubt they would do an amateur thing like that

@modunhanul: You're not the first person who has said that. When the movie first came out I kept seeing people say he was more like Kyle play acting as Hal.

and we all know you would actually let any argument no matter how good or right change your mind. *wink wink* :p

Edit1: Side note Kyle is half-Mexican and an easy mistake considering the way he's drawn and nobody even knew until it was revealed and most still don't.

Edit2: For the record Kyle is my favorite not that it matters but I always feel the need to mention it at some point when talking about GLs.

@outlawrenegade: His toys are a guranteed sell-unlike Hal's which are a gamble.

What is that a joke? There is a reason why Hal has a new toy every freaking month that is just a re color...and john has like 5. The only reason they would be a guaranteed sell is because they are so rare to see lol.

I love how John Stewart is capable of overshadow Superman in a theard about his movie.

That tickles the Fckout of me. They should just put both in the movie. Wouldn't even be hard to explain or write it.

You'd have 3 hours to tell it. Plenty of time for John, Hal, Manhunter, and Aquaman imo.

I'd rather see Hal Jordan than John Stewart as the Green Lantern in a JL movie

well the topic was about a gl cameo so the topic is still legit.

@teerack said:

That's putting it lightly.

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If John Stewart is not the main Green Lantern in the Justice League movie or future Green Lantern movies, I won't watch the films and I hope they flop--not only destroying the Green Lantern franchise, but every other non-Batman or Superman franchise. I'm spiteful like that--especially to people who refuse to be inclusive. Marvel has War Machine, Falcon, Nick Fury, Heimdall, etc. Besides John Stewart, which minority DC character has a shot at his own film? Cyborg? Yeah right, he's a teen titan.

John Stewart is the Green Lantern most people in my generation (the millenials) are familiar with. And I'm not just talking about the ones who read comics--a very small niche. Hal had his chance. He failed.

Financially, he broadens the demographic base of the movie and he has no ties to a failure of a movie. He has name recognition. He has an interesting dynamic with Flash. And he's different from all of the other space heroes out there like cocky pilot Hal Jordan, cocky pilot James Kirk, cocky pilot Starlord, cocky pilot Solo. That's the kind of diversity people are ignoring--diversity of character.

I think Warner should introduce John post-credits in MoS. The he should be used in Justice League and spin-off with his own movies. Guy or Kyle can be his token white sidekick.

WOW! I didn't even know the Green Lantern movie had that much of an effect on Hal Jordan! I thought, and still do think, that Reynolds was the perfect fit for Hal Jordan. If the movie had such a poisonous effect on the animated series' merchandise sales that it eventually led to a cancellation ofan animated tv series, I could easily see how DC would think of going in John Stewart's direction for the GL reboot.

@novi_homines: Please no longer include me in any quotes or replies for I have no further desire to continue discussing this.

I wouldn't want the roster to be a copy of the crappy JL cartoon.

/Facepalm

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Those were Green Arrow stories and you know it :p

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Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of it being called "GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW" and not "GREEN ARROW/GREEN LANTERN" :P

For Green Lantern stories, they rarely left off Earth, the main character got preached at by the guest character and it dealt with Green Arrow's relation with Black Canary. Hal Jordan stories alright, mmhmm <_<

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That's why Ollie talks about like an eager young sidekick?

@citizenbane:

Pffft, that's not even by O'Neil.

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he was a bit too whiny for my taste (running home to cry when the other GL's were picking on him as opposed to telling themselves to f*%( and fighting on like he did in the book.) but for the rest his personality, you're right.

yeah. its depressing seeing how badly that movie effed things up for Hal.

i'd say its about equal. they also dealt with Hal training his cousin Air Wave, his relationship with Carol . they rarely left earth for a reason, they were trying to "find America" and get Hal back in touch with the problems facing the country and the world today.

Ryan wasn't the reason that film failed, he didn't really do that bad of a job.

agreed, Ryan was a good Wade.

I thought he was good as both Hal and Wade

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yup. thats what i said. from what i read Hal had equal exposure to Ollie even if the stories were more Ollie's M.O.

yup. thats what i said. from what i read Hal had equal exposure to Ollie even if the stories were more Ollie's M.O.

@avenging_x_bolt:

The exposure was around the same yes but like you said, they were more Ollie's M.O. Plus Ollie was portrayed in a better light than Hal :p

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i dont know. Olie certainly made a jackass out of himself quite a few time throughout that series. lie dressing up lie a Scooby Doo villain in order to try and save the native american tribe and nearly getting them slaughtered, or aiding that one terrorist and freaking out when Hal actually manages to convince him to give himself in. and i might even have to take back that equal exposure bit. seems like a large part of the series outside of the stories i read dealt with Hal, his villains, and his supporting cast. there seem to be several issues where ollie doesn't even appear where Hal is in every single one.

LOL no. Its not happening. I hope not anyway.

The Hard Traveling Heroes is mostly referred to the O'Neil/Adams run in which they gave equal time of spotlight.

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@sandman_: Why not? If it happens post-credits, then how does that affect the film? It would make sense for a GL to investigate an alien invasion.

i guess they gave up on that angle when Adams left art duties

Sigh...

@avenging_x_bolt:

Yeah, pretty much.

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So. Now. It seems that Snyder coughed to Batman lore intruding into the Man of Steel universe. In a pretty minor way, though.

Apparently, one of the satellites that Zod destroys has the Wayne Enterprises logo on it. Yep, spoiler alert: Zod destroys some satellites. Amongst an awful lot of other stuff.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/01/yes-there-is-a-you-know-what-easter-egg-in-man-of-steel-but-so-what/