Dear Geoff Johns, please take Batman off Justice League

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#1 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

As someone who loves the character Batman, I'm tired of seeing Geoff Johns treat him like this worthless bag of flesh who's only ability through 16 issues seems to be ordering people around and getting his ass kicked.

Now I can understand if Johns doesn't want to follow the Morrison/Waid "Bat-God" model from previous JLA lore. I'm not even asking for that. I'm just asking Johns to either make Bats a useful member or kick him off the team entirely. As of right now, even Cyborg has more feats in this series than Batman. And Cyborg has gotten a fraction of the face time.

Johns, you can write a decent story when you want to, but let's be honest - you suck donkey-balls at writing DC's most popular character. I don't need to read more stories where you make "the world's greatest detective" look like an idiot in some cheap-ass attempt to legitimize the latest C-list hero you're working on.

/rant

#2 Posted by TheCannon (18345 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

#3 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I enjoyed Morrison's and Waid's super-buffed take on Batman, I'm completely fine with Bats returning to a street-level hero - more in the vein of Daredevil.

But Johns is just making Bats look ridiculous. I mean, after all the jokes and "what do you do?" comments in the early issues of this series...it made you think that Batman was going to do something significant. You know, to prove his doubters wrong? Nope...Johns just allows him to stand around and suck.

#4 Posted by Captain13 (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he should not leave. He should just be written better.

Johns is not writing Batman well because he doesn't seem to get that Batman is not realistic. He's not the Nolan Batman.

It's easy for Batman to seem like a nobody when he's standing next to Superman and Wonder Woman, but it's not hard to make him awesome. Just follow these five guidelines.

1)Batman is always prepared and his training gives him super senses. Orm should not have been able to sneak up on him. No one should.

2)Batman's super power--the thing that makes him stand out next to the other members--is his superhuman level of misdirection. He's the ninja god. He knows that he can't beat the other Justice Leaguers physically so he has a very unique bag of tricks. If you catch his batarang, it's because he wanted you too. That batarang will explode or will cover you with some kind of super-adhesive (You can see what I'm talking about with Arsenal/Red Arrow in Young Justice or Hawkeye in the Avengers). This was touched upon when he used his potassium trick, but it should be expanded upon and made more epic. He can sneak up on anyone. He can intimidate almost anyone. He can disappear on anyone in the blink of an eye. He can read body language and predict his opponents' attacks in hand-to-hand combat.

3)Batman is agile. He should be able to do what Tula did to Cyborg this issue on his enemies.

4)Batman's gadgets shouldn't be underplayed just because Cyborg is the tech guy. Batman can do some things Cyborg can't. He can summon Bats. He has all kinds of vehicles. He has tricky batarangs. He has nets, lines, and bolas. He has a glider-cape. He has contact lenses that can help read people and that can let him see in 360 degrees.. His gloves can analyze chemical substances. He has escape artist equipment. Heck, he even has glow sticks and explosive mines. I could go on and on.

5)Batman is the brains of the team. He should know how to take down big organizations and how to find weaknesses in anything. He's the strategist and detective after all.

#5 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with you, Captain13. Either Johns doesn't understand it, or he purposely chooses to disrespect it.

#6 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

Is anyone happy with this Justice League Book.

I got over my issues with Wonder Woman but I didn't know that Batman was being mishandled too.

#7 Posted by Jack Donaghy (981 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

So only super human Gods should be on the team? That sounds like a real fun read.

#8 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Press Oblivion said:

Is anyone happy with this Justice League Book.

I've only read the last few issues because of Throne of Atlantis, and I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be. While I had some major issues with the first arc (which caused me to drop it until this recent arc), I think it's just sort of ok. Not bad, not good, just ok.

#9 Posted by Captain13 (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

@Press Oblivion said:

Is anyone happy with this Justice League Book.

I got over my issues with Wonder Woman but I didn't know that Batman was being mishandled too.

Oh, I like it. But some character-work has been mishandled for Batman and Green Lantern. Flash is boring. Cyborg is underused (until this issue), and the Superman/Wonder Woman alliance isn't that exciting.

But I like where the book is heading: Trinity War and Twilight of the Superheroes. And there are some really cool scenes.

I think Throne of Atlantis has been brilliant. And the first four issues of Justice League: Origin are excellent. Justice League issue 9 is the best in terms of characterization, and it's a great stand alone story too.

#10 Posted by SmashBrawler (5655 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

I mean, after all the jokes and "what do you do?" comments in the early issues of this series...it made you think that Batman was going to do something significant. You know, to prove his doubters wrong? Nope...Johns just allows him to stand around and suck.

See, this is my biggest problem with Origin and the reason I can't understand how anyone could like it. The origin arc should tell us why these characters are part of this team, what purpose do they serve, I can't be just "so these guys teamed up and defeated some big bad guy, so they're totally a team, right?". I mean, if we go by Origin and various other JL issues this is what I got from them:

  • Superman: Flying brick with no personality.
  • Batman: Guy who talks to people and sometimes investigates stuff.
  • Wonder Woman: Flying brick with a sword (which somehow equals better characterization than Azzarello's, lolwut).
  • Green Lantern: Reckless idiot but perfect distraction.
  • The Flash: Fast guy who throws stuff at bad guys.
  • Aquaman: Guy who stabs stuff at the right time (Stabbing Specialist?).
  • Cyborg: Deus Ex Machina.

I mean, I'm not a fan of Bat-God at all, but if Batman is part of this team he should contribute far more than just investigate some stuff and get owned all the time.

#11 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm really diggin' throne of Atlantis which is really establishing Aquaman's power levels.

Though this latest issue was not a stealthy Batman at all.

#12 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Johns. I like Justice League, but I do not like the way he potrays Batman.

#13 Posted by Cap10nate (2254 posts) - - Show Bio

I also prefer the street level Batman instigating crimes in Gotham. Never been much of a fan of his on the JL.

#14 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

Either Johns doesn't understand it, or he purposely chooses to disrespect it.

this

#15 Edited by drgnx (3563 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure Batman can be more useful in battle when Superman start using his science more, Green Lantern uses his rings knowledge database, and Flash applies his forensics, and Aquaman utilizes his Knowledge of Atlantian Tech.

The problem is bigger than Batman, the whole team is seriously inhibited compared to their solos, except apparently Wonder Woman -_^;. I've only seen a few Avengers comics, but I was impressed to see Tony, Hank, and Bruce working together in a Lab right after they where fighting together (and with each other) in Spider-Man's "the other" arc. This is how it should be, everyone using all their abilities to complement each other, not picking one position and sticking to it.

I want to see Batman bust out his mech suites and bust more Superpowered faces (even Lois has done that along side Supes), but only if the other JLA members get some Brain-time.

Also seeing the fan in people just because Aquaman and Cuborg are getting a push, sorry folks, but they needed it badly, they have been little more than spectators since they joined.

#16 Edited by Raw_Material (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

@Captain13 said:

No, he should not leave. He should just be written better.

Johns is not writing Batman well because he doesn't seem to get that Batman is not realistic. He's not the Nolan Batman.

It's easy for Batman to seem like a nobody when he's standing next to Superman and Wonder Woman, but it's not hard to make him awesome. Just follow these five guidelines.

1)Batman is always prepared and his training gives him super senses. Orm should not have been able to sneak up on him. No one should.

2)Batman's super power--the thing that makes him stand out next to the other members--is his superhuman level of misdirection. He's the ninja god. He knows that he can't beat the other Justice Leaguers physically so he has a very unique bag of tricks. If you catch his batarang, it's because he wanted you too. That batarang will explode or will cover you with some kind of super-adhesive (You can see what I'm talking about with Arsenal/Red Arrow in Young Justice or Hawkeye in the Avengers). This was touched upon when he used his potassium trick, but it should be expanded upon and made more epic. He can sneak up on anyone. He can intimidate almost anyone. He can disappear on anyone in the blink of an eye. He can read body language and predict his opponents' attacks in hand-to-hand combat.

3)Batman is agile. He should be able to do what Tula did to Cyborg this issue on his enemies.

4)Batman's gadgets shouldn't be underplayed just because Cyborg is the tech guy. Batman can do some things Cyborg can't. He can summon Bats. He has all kinds of vehicles. He has tricky batarangs. He has nets, lines, and bolas. He has a glider-cape. He has contact lenses that can help read people and that can let him see in 360 degrees.. His gloves can analyze chemical substances. He has escape artist equipment. Heck, he even has glow sticks and explosive mines. I could go on and on.

5)Batman is the brains of the team. He should know how to take down big organizations and how to find weaknesses in anything. He's the strategist and detective after all.

Great observations and analysis on Batman in the 'New 52' Justice League. I'm not sure if it's me or if i'm in the wrong thread or not, but I seem to like Geoff John's run with JL; I also like Aquaman, so I don't know if I'm being biased or not. I do have an admiration towards Batman out of any other JL besides Hal Jordan and do think Geoff should give more credit to Batman and his level of being superhuman amongst any other normal being. However, I do take an interest in where he takes Batman, as to how he portrays him to a street-level crime fighter such as Daredevil like commented and how .' Speaking of spectating

#17 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

#18 Posted by xtremekidx (576 posts) - - Show Bio

i have no problem having batman be less important in a story.....you can call yourself being ok without bat"God" but you are complaining about just that!he is the least powerful member of the team and is only their for his brains....hence why he orders people around.

#19 Posted by entropy_aegis (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@xtremekidx said:

i have no problem having batman be less important in a story.....you can call yourself being ok without bat"God" but you are complaining about just that!he is the least powerful member of the team and is only their for his brains....hence why he orders people around.

So ordering people around makes you brainy? you clearly did not get his point.He's not asking for Batman who's prepped all the time,he's asking for a half way decent depiction of the character.

#20 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

Johns never writes a good Batman.

#21 Posted by xtremekidx (576 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: so you want batman to be able to stand against someone like darkseid without prep just to make him a bit "decent'?

i know what im saying may sound silly but try to understand what im trying to say!

and if you could give an example of a situation,would be helpful :)

#22 Posted by TheCannon (18345 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jack Donaghy said:

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

So only super human Gods should be on the team? That sounds like a real fun read.

  1. It would be a good read.
  2. I'm not saying that. But add someone who does more than just chase thugs around of rooftops. Add someone like Blue Beetle. And I don't even have a problem with Bats on the JL, but the idea of him being able to survive against Darkseid is ridiculous. They should make him more of a Professor X role.
#23 Edited by entropy_aegis (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@xtremekidx said:

@entropy_aegis: so you want batman to be able to stand against someone like darkseid without prep just to make him a bit "decent'?

i know what im saying may sound silly but try to understand what im trying to say!

and if you could give an example of a situation,would be helpful :)

You say that as if Darkseid was brilliantly written by Johns...not

And when I say decent I mean impartial,Johns hates Batman ok I'm cool with that but what about his gary stus' aka Hal Jordan,Aquaman? why are they written as being so high and mighty? take a look at Orm owning Supes and Diana with lightning of all things.

#24 Posted by Jack Donaghy (981 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon: No one's saying Batman should be fighting against Darkseid that would be stupid, but there are more ways you can contribute to a team that don't involve hitting to solve a problem. Also Aquaman shouldn't survive an encounter with Darkseid either does that mean he shouldn't be on the team either?

#25 Posted by drgnx (3563 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jack Donaghy said:

@TheCannon: No one's saying Batman should be fighting against Darkseid that would be stupid, but there are more ways you can contribute to a team that don't involve hitting to solve a problem. Also Aquaman shouldn't survive an encounter with Darkseid either does that mean he shouldn't be on the team either?

Based on what? Previous showings? What if DC is making AM stronger this reboot? We have seen 3 Atlantians (including AM) send Superman packing this arc. Considering Cyborg managed to take on 3, and assuming they anywhere comparable to the ones who attacked Superman, I'd say some characters might not the pushovers we have been use to.

#26 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8823 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

As someone who loves the character Batman, I'm tired of seeing Geoff Johns treat him like this worthless bag of flesh who's only ability through 16 issues seems to be ordering people around and getting his ass kicked.

Geoff Johns hates batman and has shown it time and again as well as having a massive boner for his golden boy Hal Jordan. Everything happening in JLA to batman is just round 1001 of his hate spewing

Screw Geoff Johns seriously.

#27 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

I was from the first people to say Batman does not belong in the Justice League.

Even though,he is clearly the brains of the team,a careful planner and a strategic mind,it 's not enough for JLA.

The team is meant to face world wide threats and creatures like Darkseid,Starro,Amazo etc every day

.Batman is meant to be a street leveler.Batman is meant for Gotham.

#28 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio
@Captain13 said:

No, he should not leave. He should just be written better.

Johns is not writing Batman well because he doesn't seem to get that Batman is not realistic. He's not the Nolan Batman.

It's easy for Batman to seem like a nobody when he's standing next to Superman and Wonder Woman, but it's not hard to make him awesome. Just follow these five guidelines.

1)Batman is always prepared and his training gives him super senses. Orm should not have been able to sneak up on him. No one should.

2)Batman's super power--the thing that makes him stand out next to the other members--is his superhuman level of misdirection. He's the ninja god. He knows that he can't beat the other Justice Leaguers physically so he has a very unique bag of tricks. If you catch his batarang, it's because he wanted you too. That batarang will explode or will cover you with some kind of super-adhesive (You can see what I'm talking about with Arsenal/Red Arrow in Young Justice or Hawkeye in the Avengers). This was touched upon when he used his potassium trick, but it should be expanded upon and made more epic. He can sneak up on anyone. He can intimidate almost anyone. He can disappear on anyone in the blink of an eye. He can read body language and predict his opponents' attacks in hand-to-hand combat.

3)Batman is agile. He should be able to do what Tula did to Cyborg this issue on his enemies.

4)Batman's gadgets shouldn't be underplayed just because Cyborg is the tech guy. Batman can do some things Cyborg can't. He can summon Bats. He has all kinds of vehicles. He has tricky batarangs. He has nets, lines, and bolas. He has a glider-cape. He has contact lenses that can help read people and that can let him see in 360 degrees.. His gloves can analyze chemical substances. He has escape artist equipment. Heck, he even has glow sticks and explosive mines. I could go on and on.

5)Batman is the brains of the team. He should know how to take down big organizations and how to find weaknesses in anything. He's the strategist and detective after all.

this right here.
#29 Posted by roboadmiral (544 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing as how he was a member of the team from the very beginning, there's about as much chance of Batman leaving the Justice League as there is of Superman leaving. Geoff Johns can write a number of characters very well. They man singlehandedly brought Green Lantern, Flash, and Aquaman back from irrelevance. He clearly doesn't know how to write Batman though, and if you can't write every member on the team, you shouldn't write Justice League, which means Johns either needs to learn how to write for Batman or hand the series off to someone who can.

I like Batman as a street leveler. In fact, I almost universally prefer street levelers to cosmic heroes, but that doesn't mean street levelers can't help fight the big threats. They're the one's who look at the details and see the clockwork behind the machine and handle the situations that require finesse rather than blunt force. That's the way Batman (or any other street level hero participating in a major team) should be treated.

#30 Posted by lilben42 (2531 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Johns is just waiting to do a Justice League arc based on Batman.

#31 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42 said:

Maybe Johns is just waiting to do a Justice League arc based on Batman.

Given how his Batman based stories turn out, I hope not...

#32 Posted by lilben42 (2531 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom: TBH, cyborg kind of ruined Batmans whole point of being there. At least Batman has another JLI book.

#33 Posted by TDK_1997 (14724 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be on the Justice League but he needs to be taken more seriously by Johns.

#34 Edited by darkman61288 (730 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is DC's best selling character and most popular among the GP, so it doesn't make sense what Johns is doing. Batman should do more like in the Justice league cartoon series he wasn't the main focus on all esipodes but you always noticed him. It seems like Batman and Flash are getting push aside for the power couple.

#35 Posted by Saucedo17 (135 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkman61288: Batman and Flash are the only power couple I need lol, there were my favorite characters in the show, I thought it was just me who thought Johns hated Batman.

#36 Edited by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker: @Captain13: Jesus, just because Geoff Johns doesn't write him as "Bat-God" doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to write him. Even with the rabid fanboyism that Batman has behind him (and I am a Batman fan myself), he's still just a human being. Regardless of all the martial arts training he possesses, he's lucky to even be alive with the threats that the League has faced. Tula was able to do what she did against Cyborg because she's actually superhuman. Batman is awesome and kicks ass when he goes up against the crazies of Gotham and even against mid-tiered characters like Clayface and Poison Ivy, but up against incredibly powerful super-powered beings like Darkseid and Ocean Master, he is more so about strategy. He helps to coordinate the team. He's not their prize-fighter.

@John Valentine said:

Johns never writes a good Batman.

Um...Batman: Earth One? Got awesome reviews.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

Yeah, Geoff Johns hates Batman so much that he wrote an entire OGN about him (which got rave reviews) and is working on a sequel to said graphic novel.

It actually seems more so that you're a Geoff Johns hater and would be willing to say anything to slander his name, even if its completely false.

#37 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

Geoff Johns hates batman and has shown it time and again as well as having a massive boner for his golden boy Hal Jordan. Everything happening in JLA to batman is just round 1001 of his hate spewing

Screw Geoff Johns seriously.

I refer you to my earlier statement about Batman: Earth One.

Also...um, have you forgotten how Geoff Johns jobbed Hal throughout the first arc? First, Batman stole his power ring without him even noticing, then Superman shatters his constructs without breaking a sweat, and then Hal gets his freaking arm broken by Darkseid. Furthermore, later on in the series, Hal gets the crap kicked out of him by Wonder Woman. So, that's all fine and dandy, but when its Batman who gets beaten up a few times, everyone's up in arms about how much Geoff Johns "hates Batman."

Seriously, looking at a lot of these comments just shows a level of immaturity that's really kind of sad. Hell, I'm a Batman fan and even I say that Batman fans need to scale back their worship of everything Batman a LOT. Not every story can end with "Batman pwns everyone ever" because that defeats the entire purpose of having a villain in the first place. Even Scott Snyder who is admittedly one of the biggest Batman fans ever has put Batman through the ringer. Having him kidnapped by the Court of Owls and held in a maze for a week, having the Talon come and impale him after that... Hell, this last issue, Joker outwits him, and Batman was forced to willingly sit in an electric chair. Its what a writer does. They put the characters in losing situations that they eventually will overcome.

If anything, this entire thread is just indicative of the fact that some comic fans need to grow up. Rabid fan-service to make one character look good when you're writing a book is probably the worst thing for any character.

#38 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91 said:

@Reignmaker: @Captain13: Jesus, just because Geoff Johns doesn't write him as "Bat-God" doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to write him. Even with the rabid fanboyism that Batman has behind him (and I am a Batman fan myself), he's still just a human being. Regardless of all the martial arts training he possesses, he's lucky to even be alive with the threats that the League has faced. Tula was able to do what she did against Cyborg because she's actually superhuman. Batman is awesome and kicks ass when he goes up against the crazies of Gotham and even against mid-tiered characters like Clayface and Poison Ivy, but up against incredibly powerful super-powered beings like Darkseid and Ocean Master, he is more so about strategy. He helps to coordinate the team. He's not their prize-fighter.

@John Valentine said:

Johns never writes a good Batman.

Um...Batman: Earth One? Got awesome reviews.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

Yeah, Geoff Johns hates Batman so much that he wrote an entire OGN about him (which got rave reviews) and is working on a sequel to said graphic novel.

It actually seems more so that you're a Geoff Johns hater and would be willing to say anything to slander his name, even if its completely false.

Did you actually read Earth One? It was an entire trade dedicated to making Batman look useless. Anyone capable of independent thought (a concept most likely well beyond your comprehension) knows that it was abominable. Reviewers who weren't paid off crucified it, as the pile of crap that it was.

Maybe you ought to grow up, and more importantly, actually get a brain. Your sad devotion to Geoff Johns, who funnily enough fellates characters you like, is a symbol of your inability to look past pretty packaging and see a good story. Or in this case, a bad one.

In short, please drink bleach.

#39 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

In fact, let's look at this.

We have Entropy_Aegis, Crom-Cruach, Atphantom and myself, four of Comicvines most intelligent users, saying that Johns clearly despises Batman and does not write him well in the least.

And on the other side, we have TheCannon and Zeeguy91.

Isn't this like having a political debate between Lenin, Machiavelli, Rousseau and Robespierre against Julia Gillard and George W Bush?

#40 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: Look, I know that you usually resort to insults and half-truths to make yourself feel more secure and, for some reason, have a very pathetic need to be a hipster, but please...show some intelligence (if that's possible for you). Don't make outlandish statements that are simply insupportable and don't insult people based on their taste or I will report you. I recommend that you actually visit the Batman: Earth One page here on Comicvine, If your theory about reviewers being paid off is true, then a LOT of users on this site were paid off, including reviewers from IGN, GoodReads, and CBR. For some reason, though, I don't think they'd like it that some little pissant commenter on Comicvine is attacking their credibility.

Also, there's a difference between portraying a character to be green and portraying them to be useless. I'd expect a child to see that. Apparently, you don't even have the literacy of a child...Congrats.

Also, I'd like you to know you should never compare me to George W Bush because I actually studied politics in college and could probably talk circles around you in politics.

#41 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: Oh, and, not that I have to justify it to you, but I've actually had plenty to say about Justice League in the past year. I'm not a "blind Johns fan" as you'd want me to be, but I do know when a complaint is ridiculous and is simply a lie, as yours was.

#42 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91: Please do not insult my intelligence or my integrity. Insult my demeanour or personality if you must, but not those.

Thank you.

#43 Posted by Nightwing4 (361 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta write Batman with a little more of that Captain America style where he can survive fights with elder demons ect...otherwise he's Green Arrow without the entertaining personality.

#44 Posted by Bogey (946 posts) - - Show Bio

If there is a problem with Batman on the Justice League, just wait for Catwoman on the JLA.

#45 Posted by Alch21 (210 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems pretty spot on to me. But hey there's 10 different Batman series. Pick your poison.

#46 Posted by Manbehindthewires (344 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alch21 said:

Seems pretty spot on to me. But hey there's 10 different Batman series. Pick your poison.

I think this is it. There's plenty of places to experience "your" version of Batman.

Everyone is used to deep, well represented Batman stories where he can be a ninja-detective-hacker-escape-artist. If a Justice League issue spent all of it's time showing you everything Batman could do...there'd be no room for anyone else! I get that he's the most popular character in DC; I pick up a lot of Batman titles myself, but that doesn't mean he should get the limelight in every book he features in. He could be written better, but in a book as packed as Justice League, where most of the characters are already established in their own headline titles, I'd rather they just stuck to telling a good story, and focus on showing how all these DC heavyweights interact with each other.

#47 Posted by entropy_aegis (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91 said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

Geoff Johns hates batman and has shown it time and again as well as having a massive boner for his golden boy Hal Jordan. Everything happening in JLA to batman is just round 1001 of his hate spewing

Screw Geoff Johns seriously.

I refer you to my earlier statement about Batman: Earth One.

Also...um, have you forgotten how Geoff Johns jobbed Hal throughout the first arc? First, Batman stole his power ring without him even noticing, then Superman shatters his constructs without breaking a sweat, and then Hal gets his freaking arm broken by Darkseid. Furthermore, later on in the series, Hal gets the crap kicked out of him by Wonder Woman. So, that's all fine and dandy, but when its Batman who gets beaten up a few times, everyone's up in arms about how much Geoff Johns "hates Batman."

Seriously, looking at a lot of these comments just shows a level of immaturity that's really kind of sad. Hell, I'm a Batman fan and even I say that Batman fans need to scale back their worship of everything Batman a LOT. Not every story can end with "Batman pwns everyone ever" because that defeats the entire purpose of having a villain in the first place. Even Scott Snyder who is admittedly one of the biggest Batman fans ever has put Batman through the ringer. Having him kidnapped by the Court of Owls and held in a maze for a week, having the Talon come and impale him after that... Hell, this last issue, Joker outwits him, and Batman was forced to willingly sit in an electric chair. Its what a writer does. They put the characters in losing situations that they eventually will overcome.

If anything, this entire thread is just indicative of the fact that some comic fans need to grow up. Rabid fan-service to make one character look good when you're writing a book is probably the worst thing for any character.

Batman getting "owned" isn't the issue,supposed Batgod writer Morrison recently had Heretic totally destroy Bruce in INC.It's HOW he gets owned.Johns Batman is constantly on the receiving end of jokes about having no superpowers,what does this say? feels to me Johns is clearly stating that if he had his way Bruce wouldn't even be in the JL, as such his presence merely comes down to his status or because he sells.I'm not asking for Batman to solo Cheetah or the Atlantean army but he needs to show that there is a reason for him being a JL member.17 issues in and I dont see Batman's purpose at all, maybe this will change but I doubt it.

I also do not understand why Batman has to be either Batgod or Bat moron,human/down to earth does not mean writing the character as an ineffectual tool,why cant we just have a competently written Batman who has atleast SOMETHING to offer.This is the usual justification for a terribly written Batman,just dismiss it as "not Batgod".

Earth One was garbage,right up there with Kevin Smith's Batman, and Dark Knight Strikes again.If anything that novel proved why Johns should not write Batman again,Gary Frank can draw him all he wants though.

#48 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: I like how you post one thing in the forums and then send me a PM saying something entirely different. You do know that you proved my point, right? You put me down via the PM you sent me to inflate your own ego and then went on to call yourself "the best writer on this site by a field." Your personality and your demeanor are deplorable, comparable to those of a sociopath.

Oh, and don't you EVER THREATEN OR TRY TO INTIMIDATE ME VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE EVER AGAIN. We clear on that, skippy.

#49 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem is with the writer. Bats should be always be on the League, some of the best JLA stories involved Bats.

#50 Posted by CrimsonSquire (42 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree, I get that they don't use him too much because people tend to complain that it's become "another batman book".

I'm sure Geoff'll improve writing the team...

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