As someone who loves the character Batman, I'm tired of seeing Geoff Johns treat him like this worthless bag of flesh who's only ability through 16 issues seems to be ordering people around and getting his ass kicked.

Now I can understand if Johns doesn't want to follow the Morrison/Waid "Bat-God" model from previous JLA lore. I'm not even asking for that. I'm just asking Johns to either make Bats a useful member or kick him off the team entirely. As of right now, even Cyborg has more feats in this series than Batman. And Cyborg has gotten a fraction of the face time.

Johns, you can write a decent story when you want to, but let's be honest - you suck donkey-balls at writing DC's most popular character. I don't need to read more stories where you make "the world's greatest detective" look like an idiot in some cheap-ass attempt to legitimize the latest C-list hero you're working on.

/rant

As much as I enjoyed Morrison's and Waid's super-buffed take on Batman, I'm completely fine with Bats returning to a street-level hero - more in the vein of Daredevil.

But Johns is just making Bats look ridiculous. I mean, after all the jokes and "what do you do?" comments in the early issues of this series...it made you think that Batman was going to do something significant. You know, to prove his doubters wrong? Nope...Johns just allows him to stand around and suck.

I agree with you, Captain13. Either Johns doesn't understand it, or he purposely chooses to disrespect it.

Is anyone happy with this Justice League Book.

I got over my issues with Wonder Woman but I didn't know that Batman was being mishandled too.

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

So only super human Gods should be on the team? That sounds like a real fun read.

I'm really diggin' throne of Atlantis which is really establishing Aquaman's power levels.

Though this latest issue was not a stealthy Batman at all.

Sure Batman can be more useful in battle when Superman start using his science more, Green Lantern uses his rings knowledge database, and Flash applies his forensics, and Aquaman utilizes his Knowledge of Atlantian Tech.

The problem is bigger than Batman, the whole team is seriously inhibited compared to their solos, except apparently Wonder Woman -_^;. I've only seen a few Avengers comics, but I was impressed to see Tony, Hank, and Bruce working together in a Lab right after they where fighting together (and with each other) in Spider-Man's "the other" arc. This is how it should be, everyone using all their abilities to complement each other, not picking one position and sticking to it.

I want to see Batman bust out his mech suites and bust more Superpowered faces (even Lois has done that along side Supes), but only if the other JLA members get some Brain-time.

Also seeing the fan in people just because Aquaman and Cuborg are getting a push, sorry folks, but they needed it badly, they have been little more than spectators since they joined.

@Captain13 said:

No, he should not leave. He should just be written better.

Johns is not writing Batman well because he doesn't seem to get that Batman is not realistic. He's not the Nolan Batman.

It's easy for Batman to seem like a nobody when he's standing next to Superman and Wonder Woman, but it's not hard to make him awesome. Just follow these five guidelines.

1)Batman is always prepared and his training gives him super senses. Orm should not have been able to sneak up on him. No one should.

2)Batman's super power--the thing that makes him stand out next to the other members--is his superhuman level of misdirection. He's the ninja god. He knows that he can't beat the other Justice Leaguers physically so he has a very unique bag of tricks. If you catch his batarang, it's because he wanted you too. That batarang will explode or will cover you with some kind of super-adhesive (You can see what I'm talking about with Arsenal/Red Arrow in Young Justice or Hawkeye in the Avengers). This was touched upon when he used his potassium trick, but it should be expanded upon and made more epic. He can sneak up on anyone. He can intimidate almost anyone. He can disappear on anyone in the blink of an eye. He can read body language and predict his opponents' attacks in hand-to-hand combat.

3)Batman is agile. He should be able to do what Tula did to Cyborg this issue on his enemies.

4)Batman's gadgets shouldn't be underplayed just because Cyborg is the tech guy. Batman can do some things Cyborg can't. He can summon Bats. He has all kinds of vehicles. He has tricky batarangs. He has nets, lines, and bolas. He has a glider-cape. He has contact lenses that can help read people and that can let him see in 360 degrees.. His gloves can analyze chemical substances. He has escape artist equipment. Heck, he even has glow sticks and explosive mines. I could go on and on.

5)Batman is the brains of the team. He should know how to take down big organizations and how to find weaknesses in anything. He's the strategist and detective after all.

Great observations and analysis on Batman in the 'New 52' Justice League. I'm not sure if it's me or if i'm in the wrong thread or not, but I seem to like Geoff John's run with JL; I also like Aquaman, so I don't know if I'm being biased or not. I do have an admiration towards Batman out of any other JL besides Hal Jordan and do think Geoff should give more credit to Batman and his level of being superhuman amongst any other normal being. However, I do take an interest in where he takes Batman, as to how he portrays him to a street-level crime fighter such as Daredevil like @Reignmaker commented and how @Cap10nate thinks of Bruce Wayne 'the heir of Wayne Enterprises and a hero of Gotham at night.' Speaking of spectating @drgnx, where as Hal Jordan been in this crossover?!

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

@TheCannon: No one's saying Batman should be fighting against Darkseid that would be stupid, but there are more ways you can contribute to a team that don't involve hitting to solve a problem. Also Aquaman shouldn't survive an encounter with Darkseid either does that mean he shouldn't be on the team either?

@Jack Donaghy said:

@TheCannon: No one's saying Batman should be fighting against Darkseid that would be stupid, but there are more ways you can contribute to a team that don't involve hitting to solve a problem. Also Aquaman shouldn't survive an encounter with Darkseid either does that mean he shouldn't be on the team either?

Based on what? Previous showings? What if DC is making AM stronger this reboot? We have seen 3 Atlantians (including AM) send Superman packing this arc. Considering Cyborg managed to take on 3, and assuming they anywhere comparable to the ones who attacked Superman, I'd say some characters might not the pushovers we have been use to.

@Reignmaker said:

As someone who loves the character Batman, I'm tired of seeing Geoff Johns treat him like this worthless bag of flesh who's only ability through 16 issues seems to be ordering people around and getting his ass kicked.

Geoff Johns hates batman and has shown it time and again as well as having a massive boner for his golden boy Hal Jordan. Everything happening in JLA to batman is just round 1001 of his hate spewing

Screw Geoff Johns seriously.

I was from the first people to say Batman does not belong in the Justice League.

Even though,he is clearly the brains of the team,a careful planner and a strategic mind,it 's not enough for JLA.

The team is meant to face world wide threats and creatures like Darkseid,Starro,Amazo etc every day

.Batman is meant to be a street leveler.Batman is meant for Gotham.

Maybe Johns is just waiting to do a Justice League arc based on Batman.

@AtPhantom: TBH, cyborg kind of ruined Batmans whole point of being there. At least Batman has another JLI book.

He should be on the Justice League but he needs to be taken more seriously by Johns.

Batman is DC's best selling character and most popular among the GP, so it doesn't make sense what Johns is doing. Batman should do more like in the Justice league cartoon series he wasn't the main focus on all esipodes but you always noticed him. It seems like Batman and Flash are getting push aside for the power couple.

@darkman61288: Batman and Flash are the only power couple I need lol, there were my favorite characters in the show, I thought it was just me who thought Johns hated Batman.

@Reignmaker: @Captain13: Jesus, just because Geoff Johns doesn't write him as "Bat-God" doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to write him. Even with the rabid fanboyism that Batman has behind him (and I am a Batman fan myself), he's still just a human being. Regardless of all the martial arts training he possesses, he's lucky to even be alive with the threats that the League has faced. Tula was able to do what she did against Cyborg because she's actually superhuman. Batman is awesome and kicks ass when he goes up against the crazies of Gotham and even against mid-tiered characters like Clayface and Poison Ivy, but up against incredibly powerful super-powered beings like Darkseid and Ocean Master, he is more so about strategy. He helps to coordinate the team. He's not their prize-fighter.

@John Valentine said:

Johns never writes a good Batman.

Um...Batman: Earth One? Got awesome reviews.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

Yeah, Geoff Johns hates Batman so much that he wrote an entire OGN about him (which got rave reviews) and is working on a sequel to said graphic novel.

It actually seems more so that you're a Geoff Johns hater and would be willing to say anything to slander his name, even if its completely false.

@Crom-Cruach said:

Geoff Johns hates batman and has shown it time and again as well as having a massive boner for his golden boy Hal Jordan. Everything happening in JLA to batman is just round 1001 of his hate spewing

Screw Geoff Johns seriously.

I refer you to my earlier statement about Batman: Earth One.

Also...um, have you forgotten how Geoff Johns jobbed Hal throughout the first arc? First, Batman stole his power ring without him even noticing, then Superman shatters his constructs without breaking a sweat, and then Hal gets his freaking arm broken by Darkseid. Furthermore, later on in the series, Hal gets the crap kicked out of him by Wonder Woman. So, that's all fine and dandy, but when its Batman who gets beaten up a few times, everyone's up in arms about how much Geoff Johns "hates Batman."

Seriously, looking at a lot of these comments just shows a level of immaturity that's really kind of sad. Hell, I'm a Batman fan and even I say that Batman fans need to scale back their worship of everything Batman a LOT. Not every story can end with "Batman pwns everyone ever" because that defeats the entire purpose of having a villain in the first place. Even Scott Snyder who is admittedly one of the biggest Batman fans ever has put Batman through the ringer. Having him kidnapped by the Court of Owls and held in a maze for a week, having the Talon come and impale him after that... Hell, this last issue, Joker outwits him, and Batman was forced to willingly sit in an electric chair. Its what a writer does. They put the characters in losing situations that they eventually will overcome.

If anything, this entire thread is just indicative of the fact that some comic fans need to grow up. Rabid fan-service to make one character look good when you're writing a book is probably the worst thing for any character.

@Zeeguy91 said:

@Reignmaker: @Captain13: Jesus, just because Geoff Johns doesn't write him as "Bat-God" doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to write him. Even with the rabid fanboyism that Batman has behind him (and I am a Batman fan myself), he's still just a human being. Regardless of all the martial arts training he possesses, he's lucky to even be alive with the threats that the League has faced. Tula was able to do what she did against Cyborg because she's actually superhuman. Batman is awesome and kicks ass when he goes up against the crazies of Gotham and even against mid-tiered characters like Clayface and Poison Ivy, but up against incredibly powerful super-powered beings like Darkseid and Ocean Master, he is more so about strategy. He helps to coordinate the team. He's not their prize-fighter.

@John Valentine said:

Johns never writes a good Batman.

Um...Batman: Earth One? Got awesome reviews.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@TheCannon said:

Bats should of never even been on the JL. He provides nothing and never will.

Yet again you prove your total ignorance of DC lore. Just sad, really. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you dont'), just don't comment.

Johns is a known Batman hater. Putting him on the League is just another way for Johns to bag Batman, which is what he's been doing his whole career.

Yeah, Geoff Johns hates Batman so much that he wrote an entire OGN about him (which got rave reviews) and is working on a sequel to said graphic novel.

It actually seems more so that you're a Geoff Johns hater and would be willing to say anything to slander his name, even if its completely false.

Did you actually read Earth One? It was an entire trade dedicated to making Batman look useless. Anyone capable of independent thought (a concept most likely well beyond your comprehension) knows that it was abominable. Reviewers who weren't paid off crucified it, as the pile of crap that it was.

Maybe you ought to grow up, and more importantly, actually get a brain. Your sad devotion to Geoff Johns, who funnily enough fellates characters you like, is a symbol of your inability to look past pretty packaging and see a good story. Or in this case, a bad one.

In short, please drink bleach.

In fact, let's look at this.

We have Entropy_Aegis, Crom-Cruach, Atphantom and myself, four of Comicvines most intelligent users, saying that Johns clearly despises Batman and does not write him well in the least.

And on the other side, we have TheCannon and Zeeguy91.

Isn't this like having a political debate between Lenin, Machiavelli, Rousseau and Robespierre against Julia Gillard and George W Bush?

@FadeToBlackBolt: Look, I know that you usually resort to insults and half-truths to make yourself feel more secure and, for some reason, have a very pathetic need to be a hipster, but please...show some intelligence (if that's possible for you). Don't make outlandish statements that are simply insupportable and don't insult people based on their taste or I will report you. I recommend that you actually visit the Batman: Earth One page here on Comicvine, If your theory about reviewers being paid off is true, then a LOT of users on this site were paid off, including reviewers from IGN, GoodReads, and CBR. For some reason, though, I don't think they'd like it that some little pissant commenter on Comicvine is attacking their credibility.

Also, there's a difference between portraying a character to be green and portraying them to be useless. I'd expect a child to see that. Apparently, you don't even have the literacy of a child...Congrats.

Also, I'd like you to know you should never compare me to George W Bush because I actually studied politics in college and could probably talk circles around you in politics.

@FadeToBlackBolt: Oh, and, not that I have to justify it to you, but I've actually had plenty to say about Justice League in the past year. I'm not a "blind Johns fan" as you'd want me to be, but I do know when a complaint is ridiculous and is simply a lie, as yours was.

@Zeeguy91: Please do not insult my intelligence or my integrity. Insult my demeanour or personality if you must, but not those.

Thank you.

Seems pretty spot on to me. But hey there's 10 different Batman series. Pick your poison.

@FadeToBlackBolt: I like how you post one thing in the forums and then send me a PM saying something entirely different. You do know that you proved my point, right? You put me down via the PM you sent me to inflate your own ego and then went on to call yourself "the best writer on this site by a field." Your personality and your demeanor are deplorable, comparable to those of a sociopath.

Oh, and don't you EVER THREATEN OR TRY TO INTIMIDATE ME VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE EVER AGAIN. We clear on that, skippy.

The problem is with the writer. Bats should be always be on the League, some of the best JLA stories involved Bats.

I disagree, I get that they don't use him too much because people tend to complain that it's become "another batman book".

I'm sure Geoff'll improve writing the team...