Could there be a Black Ops Justice League--Like X-Force?

#1 Posted by Superdork (917 posts) - - Show Bio

How could it work? Who could be on it? Which Justice League members are willing to kill and keep it all secret.

I think Aquaman is a potential candidate. Anyone else?

Superman and Batman probably wouldn't like it...

#2 Posted by BigMaraSpence (74 posts) - - Show Bio

It would have to be a group of anti-heroes, with a few leaders that aren't attached to our idea of morality. Supes, Bats, Flash, WWoman, Cyborg, Hal Jordan, all no goes obviously.

I can't think of many DC characters, personally, that would fit. I'm much less knowledgeable on DC than Marvel though. I would pick up that number 1 for sure though!

#3 Posted by JLDoom (2310 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigMaraSpence said:

It would have to be a group of anti-heroes, with a few leaders that aren't attached to our idea of morality. Supes, Bats, Flash, WWoman, Cyborg, Hal Jordan, all no goes obviously.

Wonder Woman kills, same with Hal jordan (who killed a sinestro corps member in one of the first issues of the new 52)

#4 Posted by BigMaraSpence (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@JLDoom: I'm not saying that they have to not be willing to kill. I'm thinking on a larger scale. I don't think wonder woman would allow the genocide of a country in order to save another, stuff like that. I could be wrong though.

#5 Posted by JLDoom (2310 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigMaraSpence: Oh, in that case I agree

#6 Posted by BigMaraSpence (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Could Martian Man Hunter maybe lead it? I'm guessing it would be like Uncanny X-Force, where the rest of the world is oblivious to their existence. So, MMH could lead a team to take down tactical targets without being restrained by Superman's morality?

#7 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12559 posts) - - Show Bio

Justice League Elite,Extreme Justice, and the Cry for Justice league count right?

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#8 Posted by Spellca (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Could Justice League form a black ops branch/affiliate?

I would say, yes but it would have to be set up with plausible deniable.

Batman and Superman do not kill their enemies. They are, without much debate, the trademark heroes of Justice League in terms of their own morality. Because of that, neither Batman or Superman would want to put their face or their time into a group of anti-heroes that may be killing people.

Another point is that a costumed hero cannot necessarily work on a black ops group due to the coloration and stylization. Even if Aquaman has become a bad-ass and that Wonder Woman/Ha Jordon kill people, their costumes would make them ill-fitting to be covert agents.

Ideally, a covert group could work with anti-heroes, reformed "Thunderbolt"-style villains and those of that style. If Justice League of America wasn't set up, I would have liked to see Steve Trevor lead a Justice League/Team 7 group with aspects of both willing to do wetwork. It could be a place to put "reformed" villains (Catwoman) and lesser anti-heroes as a darker style Justice League with the League's style, Team 7's operation style and X-Forces covert/black operations missions.

TL;DR: If so it needs deniable connection to the JL, no colorful costumed superheroes, Steve Trevor or similar leader, anti-heroes/reformed villains in the roster.

#9 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

It would have to be small, you couldn't have a full league...it would have to be a squad and these missions would be dangerous damn right suicidal...a suicide squad if you will

#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32813 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superdork: This is basically what Stormwatch is

#11 Posted by MrXakaRebel (12 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't been keeping up like I should but isn't this basically what Justice League Of America is going to be? With Martian Manhunter as leader?

#12 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12559 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Superdork: This is basically what Stormwatch is

pretty much

@MrXakaRebel said:

I haven't been keeping up like I should but isn't this basically what Justice League Of America is going to be? With Martian Manhunter as leader?

no, they arent black ops, they're the "more dangerous but easier to control" league

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#13 Posted by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't the B-Team something like this back in the day with Doctor Light? Zatanna, Green Arrow, Hawkman, etc? They'd erase memories to cover the League's trail.

Also, maybe Stormwatch?

Aside from that, a team of that nature would be Hawkman, Martian Manhunter, Huntress, Question, Wonder Woman, and... Hm... Power Girl.

#14 Posted by MrXakaRebel (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Good to know, I had been wondering about that.

#15 Posted by jesusdisciple001 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

In yj d team is a black ops

#16 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

The team is called the Outsiders

“These guys are not the JLA,” said the writer. “And the basic twist on it, they aren’t as the ol’ expression goes, ‘firefighters … running around and putting out fires’. They will be hunters. They’re going after the bad guys before the trouble starts.”---Judd Winick

#17 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

The Outsiders were the Black Ops for the Justice League.

#18 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio

There should never be a black ops team like X-force affiliated to the justice league officially or unofficially. The justice league stands for things that would make this defy the very ideals they embody.

#19 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrShway88 said:

The Outsiders were the Black Ops for the Justice League.

never officially. But Outsiders volume 3 was essentially a black ops team one that took orders from Batman at times who was party of the Justice League. So indirectly you could say they were.

But with teams like Suicide Sqaud working fro the government I don't think a black ops team is needed

#20 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

team 7?

#21 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Nice pull, I was just thinking Justice League Elite (great series).

Yeah, the concept's been done before, prior to the concept of X-Force as a hit squad.

#22 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Justice Force : Deathstroke, Cheshire, Deadshot, Wild Dog, Butcher, Lady Shiva.

#23 Posted by SoA (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

its called stormwatch

#24 Posted by Captain13 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood, Supergirl, Red Lantern, Lennox, Engineer

#25 Posted by sunhawk (550 posts) - - Show Bio

batman or green arrrow hires Deathstroke anonymously to kill targets for the League

#26 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12559 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrShway88 said:

The Outsiders were the Black Ops for the Justice League.

this

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#27 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

God damn, I'm love another Outsiders book.

What's the function of the new JLA book btw? Is it like a bad-ass JL?

#28 Posted by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

God damn, I'm love another Outsiders book.

What's the function of the new JLA book btw? Is it like a bad-ass JL?

As I understand it, since the normal Justice League with Bats, Supes, etc, are all, "We'll do as we please, outside of any and all earthly jurisdiction.", the government wants their own team of superhumans that can be held accountable to them. Hence, the Justice League of America, a League formed by the government, in the hopes of making the original Justice League obsolete.

In other words, it's what the Marvel Senate SHOULD have done rather than passing the SRA.

#29 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith said:

@John Valentine said:

God damn, I'm love another Outsiders book.

What's the function of the new JLA book btw? Is it like a bad-ass JL?

As I understand it, since the normal Justice League with Bats, Supes, etc, are all, "We'll do as we please, outside of any and all earthly jurisdiction.", the government wants their own team of superhumans that can be held accountable to them. Hence, the Justice League of America, a League formed by the government, in the hopes of making the original Justice League obsolete.

In other words, it's what the Marvel Senate SHOULD have done rather than passing the SRA.

Ah, I remember reading that in an interview, thank you.

The roster for the JLA would work as an Outsider's books, plus/minus a few characters - Catwoman, Green Arrow and MM especially.

#30 Posted by roboadmiral (538 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd love for the Outsiders to get brought back. The JLs bright and shiny ideals are well and good, but they don't always get the job done. Sometimes there are very nasty people who want to do very bad things and they need to be stopped whether someone like Superman can appreciate the means or not.

#31 Edited by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe the New 52 JLA led by the very violent Martian has a license to kill from Amanda Waller. Freedom Fighters also work for the government.

#32 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

bringing back the outsiders would be awesome ! 

#33 Posted by Darth Paul (273 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't that what, as some others have mentioned, Suicide Squad is for?

#34 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12559 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mega_spidey01 said:

bringing back the outsiders would be awesome !

@roboadmiral said:

I'd love for the Outsiders to get brought back. The JLs bright and shiny ideals are well and good, but they don't always get the job done. Sometimes there are very nasty people who want to do very bad things and they need to be stopped whether someone like Superman can appreciate the means or not.

@John Valentine said:

@JonSmith said:

@John Valentine said:

God damn, I'm love another Outsiders book.

What's the function of the new JLA book btw? Is it like a bad-ass JL?

As I understand it, since the normal Justice League with Bats, Supes, etc, are all, "We'll do as we please, outside of any and all earthly jurisdiction.", the government wants their own team of superhumans that can be held accountable to them. Hence, the Justice League of America, a League formed by the government, in the hopes of making the original Justice League obsolete.

In other words, it's what the Marvel Senate SHOULD have done rather than passing the SRA.

Ah, I remember reading that in an interview, thank you.

The roster for the JLA would work as an Outsider's books, plus/minus a few characters - Catwoman, Green Arrow and MM especially.

The Outsiders exist in the New 52. they're apparently a clan of assassins that Katana used to be apart of.

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