about juggernaut

#1 Posted by rayn1984 (187 posts) - - Show Bio

How come a lot of people always criticize juggernaut's capabilities and always underestimate him?

#2 Posted by Edamame (28062 posts) - - Show Bio
@rayn1984: I think that the uniqueness of the Juggernaut's power is not fully understood. That is why there is some confusion. Cyttorak is not fully understood and recognized.
#3 Posted by rayn1984 (187 posts) - - Show Bio

i see, but the potential of trion juggs is understandably omnipotent interms of strength and durability, right? I guess his dumbness and his lack of fighting skill are the greatest weakness he has.

#4 Posted by Edamame (28062 posts) - - Show Bio
@rayn1984 said:
" i see, but the potential of trion juggs is understandably omnipotent interms of strength and durability, right? I guess his dumbness and his lack of fighting skill are the greatest weakness he has. "
Ostensibly so.  Trion Juggernaut is near 100% of the power of Cyttorak, according to my knowledge. However, I am not entirely sure.  I also think that the way the Juggernaut is written can be often poor.  For instance, I think that the Hulk may have better fighting skills than the Juggernaut, even though the Hulk should pose no threat to him at all.
#5 Posted by novakidx (107 posts) - - Show Bio
@rayn1984 said:
" How come a lot of people always criticize juggernaut's capabilities and always underestimate him? "
well from what I read,I was kinda mad that he wasen't even a mutant and he was so overpowered
did they retcon any of that? cause I only read his debut
#6 Posted by Theworldbreaker (1642 posts) - - Show Bio
@novakidx:
Nope, to be honest i think he's much better of not being a mutant and instead being magicly empowerd by a God who had to be banished to another realm...that sounds way better then just being a mutant.
#7 Posted by Vendel (345 posts) - - Show Bio
@rayn1984 said:
" How come a lot of people always criticize juggernaut's capabilities and always underestimate him? "
Because you even get writers who don't know how to properly portray him.
#8 Posted by SC (12896 posts) - - Show Bio

Its because many don't understand him. They think all bad guys need to have complicated motivations and if you ain't trying to take over the world, by building giant lasers or making an army, your redeemable. Sometimes, they might project their won thinking on to him. As in if they had his powers, they wouldn't sit around in a bar or steal from banks. So therefore its unrealistic of Juggernaut to do that. Or they think that if you throw him into a mountain or trip him up, or push him down, that you have physically injured him.  
 
Bad writing hasn't helped either, like that time with Superman? At least the writer owned up to knowing nothing about Juggernaut. Other writers try and make him 'interesting' by making him generic? Sometimes simplicity can be more complicated than complicated. Oh, I think the enemy of the X-Men hurts a little too. I have seen people say, "he can't be that tough, he's that guy the X-Men beat" riight.

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#9 Posted by HellionVulcan (3714 posts) - - Show Bio

I thinks its more because if he was written to his power level no one could touch him ,he'd be unbeatable so hes written poorly so he loses for plot only reasons other wise guys like hulk thor would be dead by now & he'd be the top guy on earth .

#10 Posted by Knowsbleed33 (628 posts) - - Show Bio
@rayn1984 said:
" How come a lot of people always criticize juggernaut's capabilities and always underestimate him? "
Mostly because they've been in dozens of arguments involving him and they can't ever come up with good arguments against him so they develop a grudge.
#11 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

i say the number one is inconsistent writing, one which favors the Juggernaut version of the Unstable Molecules play nowadays being:
Cyttorak apparently shuts off or limits Cains power limits and power set, like, whenever...
On a side note I still stand by my long time thought that Juggernaut needs to be removed from Marvels planet Earth and either put in the
position of a space faring cosmic character, or dimensional travel so his power base can be kept as strong as it should be and he can
flourish with it without the writers having to find ways for him to fit into a weaker and frail world compared to him.

#12 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@novakidx: Lots of Xmen villains aren't mutants, like Mr. Sinister he used to be a regular guy, and The Brood, D'ken, Deathbird are aliens, The Reavers were cyborgs, The Sentinels are robots, they have tons of human enemies
#13 Posted by Knowsbleed33 (628 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATPANEXE said:
"On a side note I still stand by my long time thought that Juggernaut needs to be removed from Marvels planet Earth and either put in the position of a space faring cosmic character, or dimensional travel so his power base can be kept as strong as it should be and he can flourish with it without the writers having to find ways for him to fit into a weaker and frail world compared to him. "
The last time this happened he was depowered.
#14 Edited by Reality13 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that the uniqueness of the Juggernaut's power is not fully understood. That is why there is some confusion. Cyttorak is not fully understood and recognized. I approve of this viewpoint.

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