My thoughts and your's on the current character of Jubilee

#1 Posted by redsonjustin (20 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll admit something, up until recently I had never really liked Jubilee. She always came off as annoying to me in the nineties series, this changed when I rediscovered her in the comics and saw her current arc as a vampire and the different things she has had to deal with because of this transformation. She is now one of my favorite X-Men and I think she is interesting now. Has anyone else had this same experience with her?

#2 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

Sucky sucky like always.

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16310 posts) - - Show Bio

Stake her.

#4 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

Back in the nineties I liked a lot Jubilee but now as a vampire she sucks.

#5 Posted by CaptainSalamander (4 posts) - - Show Bio

She was interesting and cool when she was Jubilee. This whole vampire story? Stupid. Someone should tell Marvel to wrap it up already and to bring the real Jubilee back.

#6 Posted by redsonjustin (20 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainSalamander: I agree, this has dragged out a little too long.

#7 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5894 posts) - - Show Bio

I really loved Jubilee in the 90s, but I really don't like this vampire arc since it's not really necessary.  I hope that Jubilee shows up more in the comics since she seems to be shafted so much in the comics recently.

#8 Edited by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

I've said it before and i'll say it again, Jubilee becoming a Vampire was the only shot she had at becoming a "relevant" X-Character, if only for a while, it was either that, or damnation to Limbo. Becoming a Vampire is the best thing to happen to her since M-Day.

#9 Posted by Teerack (6320 posts) - - Show Bio

I like her a lot more as a vampire. Her power to shoot pretty looking energy was boring to begin with considering there is only a million other characters with energy blast abilities. Now at least she's more unique and interesting.

#10 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

Some characters look better with cleavage, some characters dont

I miss my brash flat chested tomboyish care free energy blaster character

#11 Posted by redsonjustin (20 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: True.

#12 Posted by Sinestro2828 (1511 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainSalamander said:

She was interesting and cool when she was Jubilee. This whole vampire story? Stupid. Someone should tell Marvel to wrap it up already and to bring the real Jubilee back.

I agree, turning Jubilee into a vampire was NOT the right way to bring her back into the story, just make her human again and give her back her mutant powers and have her teach mutant kids like the other X-Men do >_<

I grew up with Jubilee as a kid and I can't believe they'd do this to any X-Men character, as if anyone could take her seriously as de-powered mutant turned vampire, its just too ridiculous and over the top even for Marvel comics. It was fine for the vampire saga, but they should have cured her after it was over (doesn't Blade actually HAVE a cure for vampirism?)

#13 Posted by Madame_Mist (1325 posts) - - Show Bio

They could have given her a great arc, but it's just ludicrous. I rather her have a heroic death or show that their is hope beyond being an X-Man for Mutants.

#14 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel took a character that a lot of people had fondness for due to her ties to Wolverine and of course the 90's X-Men cartoon and butchered it. She was pretty much AWOL throughout the 2000's except for small cameos and meaningless appearances, then turned into a mopey vampire in the 2010's to try to tie her into the vampire craze.

Jubilee should have been the first pick for a writer to include on a Young X-Men style book as their adviser / counselor. All her time as the baby of the team ( Gen X or X-Men) would make her so very suited to understanding the frustrations they would be going through. She is young enough for them to relate to and experienced enough that she would be listened to.

#15 Posted by CaptainSalamander (4 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

I've said it before and i'll say it again, Jubilee becoming a Vampire was the only shot she had at becoming a "relevant" X-Character, if only for a while, it was either that, or damnation to Limbo. Becoming a Vampire is the best thing to happen to her since M-Day.

Actually, no, it wasn't. There was the issue in Girl Comics that showed her bonding with Wolverine, and even Wondra and the New Warriors story was better than the vampire arc.

#16 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainSalamander said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

I've said it before and i'll say it again, Jubilee becoming a Vampire was the only shot she had at becoming a "relevant" X-Character, if only for a while, it was either that, or damnation to Limbo. Becoming a Vampire is the best thing to happen to her since M-Day.

Actually, no, it wasn't. There was the issue in Girl Comics that showed her bonding with Wolverine, and even Wondra and the New Warriors story was better than the vampire arc.

Actually, yeah, it was. The New Warriors obviously wasn't raking in the money as Marvel might have hoped it would of, as good of a series as it was, it was cancelled and shut-down for a reason, yes, Wondra was an amazing re-incarnation but evidently wasn't good enough to be used by later writers, or even acknowledged. Marvel obviously has a strict rule about re-powering mutants, Jubilation, didn't fit that bill, sadly, so they decided to go for the alternative, turning her into a Vampire which was the only shot she had at becoming relevant again. We've already got a character who was de-powered as a result of M-Day but has managed to find themself back into the welcoming arms of a fully powered mutant-team (Rictor in X-Factor, who is the only mutant to have been re-powered since M-Day, NOT Jubilee), adding Jubilee to the pile would be asinine, they needed something else, becoming a Vampire was the better, and wiser option.

#17 Posted by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio
@AgeofHurricane said:

Actually, yeah, it was. The New Warriors obviously wasn't raking in the money as Marvel might have hoped it would of, as good of a series as it was, it was cancelled and shut-down for a reason, yes, Wondra was an amazing re-incarnation but evidently wasn't good enough to be used by later writers, or even acknowledged. Marvel obviously has a strict rule about re-powering mutants, Jubilation, didn't fit that bill, sadly, so they decided to go for the alternative, turning her into a Vampire which was the only shot she had at becoming relevant again. We've already got a character who was de-powered as a result of M-Day but has managed to find themself back into the welcoming arms of a fully powered mutant-team (Rictor in X-Factor, who is the only mutant to have been re-powered since M-Day, NOT Jubilee), adding Jubilee to the pile would be asinine, they needed something else, becoming a Vampire was the better, and wiser option.

I don't think the idea of Wondra wasn't good enough to be used any further. I think New Warriors didn't work out because people would rather have those characters with their powers back. It wouldn't be asinine to repower Jubilee. Marvel has overturned the details of most of their events any way, why would House of M be any different? Becoming a Vampire is a far worse idea than repowering her.
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#18 Posted by CaptainSalamander (4 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

Actually, yeah, it was. The New Warriors obviously wasn't raking in the money as Marvel might have hoped it would of, as good of a series as it was, it was cancelled and shut-down for a reason, yes, Wondra was an amazing re-incarnation but evidently wasn't good enough to be used by later writers, or even acknowledged. Marvel obviously has a strict rule about re-powering mutants, Jubilation, didn't fit that bill, sadly, so they decided to go for the alternative, turning her into a Vampire which was the only shot she had at becoming relevant again. We've already got a character who was de-powered as a result of M-Day but has managed to find themself back into the welcoming arms of a fully powered mutant-team (Rictor in X-Factor, who is the only mutant to have been re-powered since M-Day, NOT Jubilee), adding Jubilee to the pile would be asinine, they needed something else, becoming a Vampire was the better, and wiser option.

Well, I can't say that I'm watching Marvel's titles very closely, but I think you're missing something there. For example, Chamber. Former member of Generation X, same as Jubilee, depowered by M-Day, same as Jubilee, part of the New Warriors, same as Jubilee... and now he's got his powers back, and I've heard that he's part of Wolverine's team. And there were other re-powered mutants, too, like Quicksilver, and Magneto, and Iceman (they said he just had a "mental block", though), not just Rictor. What I'm saying is that Marvel obviously COULD do better with Jubilee, and they should, too.

#19 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

Actually, yeah, it was. The New Warriors obviously wasn't raking in the money as Marvel might have hoped it would of, as good of a series as it was, it was cancelled and shut-down for a reason, yes, Wondra was an amazing re-incarnation but evidently wasn't good enough to be used by later writers, or even acknowledged. Marvel obviously has a strict rule about re-powering mutants, Jubilation, didn't fit that bill, sadly, so they decided to go for the alternative, turning her into a Vampire which was the only shot she had at becoming relevant again. We've already got a character who was de-powered as a result of M-Day but has managed to find themself back into the welcoming arms of a fully powered mutant-team (Rictor in X-Factor, who is the only mutant to have been re-powered since M-Day, NOT Jubilee), adding Jubilee to the pile would be asinine, they needed something else, becoming a Vampire was the better, and wiser option.

I don't think the idea of Wondra wasn't good enough to be used any further. I think New Warriors didn't work out because people would rather have those characters with their powers back. It wouldn't be asinine to repower Jubilee. Marvel has overturned the details of most of their events any way, why would House of M be any different? Becoming a Vampire is a far worse idea than repowering her.

Either way, the concept of Wondra was ignored by Kathryn Immonen and Marjorie Liu, two out of three writers who could have touched on the concept but chose not to, especially Kathryn. That, and they didn't market it (NW) to the correct audience. I never said that, i said it would be asinine to put Jubilee in the same position as Rictor was, she just couldn't fit in and the current X-Writers are incappable of pulling of such a feat, she'd be renderred background piece.

Read what i said, don't take it too seriously, though, they've got a strict rule, since Wanda's return, they've refused to re-power any de-powered mutant other than Rictor, Jubilee's obviously not that important (in their eyes) to be given such treatment, i'm not saying HoM is something that cannot be overturned, but obviously, Marvel is deliberately NOT doing it. Becoming a Vampire is a much more better choice than staying irrelevant in the depths of limbo for the millenia to come.

#20 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainSalamander said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

Actually, yeah, it was. The New Warriors obviously wasn't raking in the money as Marvel might have hoped it would of, as good of a series as it was, it was cancelled and shut-down for a reason, yes, Wondra was an amazing re-incarnation but evidently wasn't good enough to be used by later writers, or even acknowledged. Marvel obviously has a strict rule about re-powering mutants, Jubilation, didn't fit that bill, sadly, so they decided to go for the alternative, turning her into a Vampire which was the only shot she had at becoming relevant again. We've already got a character who was de-powered as a result of M-Day but has managed to find themself back into the welcoming arms of a fully powered mutant-team (Rictor in X-Factor, who is the only mutant to have been re-powered since M-Day, NOT Jubilee), adding Jubilee to the pile would be asinine, they needed something else, becoming a Vampire was the better, and wiser option.

Well, I can't say that I'm watching Marvel's titles very closely, but I think you're missing something there. For example, Chamber. Former member of Generation X, same as Jubilee, depowered by M-Day, same as Jubilee, part of the New Warriors, same as Jubilee... and now he's got his powers back, and I've heard that he's part of Wolverine's team. And there were other re-powered mutants, too, like Quicksilver, and Magneto, and Iceman (they said he just had a "mental block", though), not just Rictor. What I'm saying is that Marvel obviously COULD do better with Jubilee, and they should, too.

Indeed. I was also annoyed by the fact that Jubilee was in the same AoX reality that Chamber supposedly got his powers back from, but as you can see, they know where she stands in the big scheme of things and obviously wasn't good enough for "re-powered material", they could have had Jubilee re-powered over Rictor in The Childrens Crusade, but they did not. They could, but they're choosing not to, they chose something else, and, have evidently not thought it through, it was still the wiser option, i for one, don't see what she could have done without powers or where she could have at least been featured.

#21 Edited by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio
@AgeofHurricane said:

Either way, the concept of Wondra was ignored by Kathryn Immonen and Marjorie Liu, two out of three writers who could have touched on the concept but chose not to, especially Kathryn. That, and they didn't market it (NW) to the correct audience.

I know. I'm just saying, there's was nothing wrong with the idea that caused this to my knowledge.
 
@AgeofHurricane said:

 I never said that, i said it would be asinine to put Jubilee in the same position as Rictor was, she just couldn't fit in and the current X-Writers are incappable of pulling of such a feat, she'd be renderred background piece.

I misinterpreted your post. My mistake. 
 
@AgeofHurricane said:

Read what i said, don't take it too seriously, though, they've got a strict rule, since Wanda's return, they've refused to re-power any de-powered mutant other than Rictor, Jubilee's obviously not that important (in their eyes) to be given such treatment, i'm not saying HoM is something that cannot be overturned, but obviously, Marvel is deliberately NOT doing it. Becoming a Vampire is a much more better choice than staying irrelevant in the depths of limbo for the millenia to come.

It's a ridiculous rule, coming from Marvel of all publishers. You can kill off at least one character a year..just to bring them back..but not repower mutants? I would personally rather they killed Jubilee than make her a vampire. 
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#22 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

Either way, the concept of Wondra was ignored by Kathryn Immonen and Marjorie Liu, two out of three writers who could have touched on the concept but chose not to, especially Kathryn. That, and they didn't market it (NW) to the correct audience.

I know. I'm just saying, there's was nothing wrong with the idea that caused this to my knowledge.

@AgeofHurricane said:

I never said that, i said it would be asinine to put Jubilee in the same position as Rictor was, she just couldn't fit in and the current X-Writers are incappable of pulling of such a feat, she'd be renderred background piece.

I misinterpreted your post. My mistake.

@AgeofHurricane said:

Read what i said, don't take it too seriously, though, they've got a strict rule, since Wanda's return, they've refused to re-power any de-powered mutant other than Rictor, Jubilee's obviously not that important (in their eyes) to be given such treatment, i'm not saying HoM is something that cannot be overturned, but obviously, Marvel is deliberately NOT doing it. Becoming a Vampire is a much more better choice than staying irrelevant in the depths of limbo for the millenia to come.

It's a ridiculous rule, coming from Marvel of all publishers. You can kill off at least one character a year..just to bring them back..but not repower mutants? I would personally rather they killed Jubilee than make her a vampire.

Alright, i get you.

Cool

Yes, it is. HoM was put in for a reason, they're obviously adamant on not un-doing what they caused, and if they do make the exception, it's gotta be for "important" characters. I like her being a Vampire, it's nice to see her deal with the urges and such, but given her current position, they obviously didn't realise what they were getting themselves into.

#23 Posted by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio
@AgeofHurricane said:

 I like her being a Vampire, it's nice to see her deal with the urges and such, but given her current position, they obviously didn't realise what they were getting themselves into.

I just wished Marvel cared more about Vampires. That would probably help characters like Blade. She seems out of place being a Vampire among mutants.
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#24 Posted by Eclipse-32 (63 posts) - - Show Bio

For the pity's sake, would they freaking get the message, the fans want a mutant with fireworks, not a vampire.

#25 Posted by jhazzroucher (15792 posts) - - Show Bio

As a member of Storm's Security Recon, I like her vampiric powers. Maybe she could retain her vampiric skills and powers even if she turns back to human someday.

#26 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Shes ruined.

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