what happens how is relationship with other people listed below
Kingpin
Steve Rogers
Ghost Rider
Daredevil
Norman Osborn in dark reign
spiderman
Nick Fury
Deadpool
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Kingpin- Similar to Lex Luthor.
Steve Rogers- I could see Joker trying to corrupt Steve
Ghost Rider- Probably never meet.
Daredevil- I could probably see Joker blackmailing Daredevil to make him defend Joker in court.
Norman Osborn- Probably just a random underling during the battle.
Spiderman- I could see him kidnapping Mary Jane.
Nick Fury- I don't think they would meet.
Deadpool- Either it will be a team-up or they will try to tear each other apart.
@mr.obvious: I could see Joker changing his personality to attempt to undermine everything that Steve Rogers stands for, only because he has strict, unwavering, morals like Batman. And I'm recalling Infinite Crisis for Joker and Norman Osborn: jealously for not being invited,and murderous revenge.
Kingpin
Steve Rogers
Ghost Rider
Daredevil
Norman Osborn in dark reign
Spider-Man
Nick Fury
Deadpool
@sunhawk: On that note, assuming that he knew who the Hulk was before running into him, I'd assume he'd just trigger Hulk into a murderous rampage and stay far enough afield so that he's not in Hulk's way. The Joker's crazy, but generally not stupid or suicidal.
@Gambit1024 said:
Kingpin
- They'd be uneasy allies. Much like Lex is with him.
Steve Rogers
- I don't think they'd interact much, really. Cap's not broody enough to have fun with.
Ghost Rider
- If Joker was a GR villain, he'd be dead... Unless his penance stare has no effect on him (which I'd doubt)
Daredevil
- Now here's a hero/villain match-up I'd like to see. If Kingpin can make Matt's life hell, I could only imagine what Joker would do to him. He and Bullseye would probably have contests over who could screw him over more.
Norman Osborn in dark reign
- Similar to Kingpin. In fact, I think Osborn would underestimate Joker, and in return, Joker would try to usurp him.
Spider-Man
- His relationship with Joker would depend on Joker's relationship with Osborn. Osborn already killed his girlfriend and scarred him for life, something very Joker-like. Joker would either leave him as is, or he'd try to out-do the Green Goblin and kill someone else. Aunt May? MJ?
Nick Fury
- Like Cap, I don't think these two would interact much. If anything, Fury'd just kill him plain and simple.
Deadpool
- I'd love to see these two together. Anything could happen, to tell you the truth.
I could see Joker in a Spiderman or Daredevil book and Punisher too since they are in the same area more or less. King pin and Obsorn would mistake Joker for an insane lunatic and use him until it turns out that the Joker is the one using them. Joker deal with Lex and Bats all the time nothing new. I could see Peter being pushed over the edge to kill Joker since morally speaking he isn't as strong as Bats. Deadpool and him could have a love hate relationship. Avengers will have to stop him eventually as I see that Joker would adapt to the marvel verse and be well aware of the powersets and factions these guys have.
he would raise hell only difference is you would have people in marvel willing to kill himi.e punisher, ghost rider, etc but he would give them hell
lol I've wondered this myself.
From what we've learned about reading the Batman/Punisher crossover from the 90's, The Punisher would definitely kill the Joker. He would NOT let him get away with all the shit that he's done in the past. The same thing probably goes for Ghost Rider. The only person in the Marvel U who would view the Joker as a major threat would probably be Spiderman, even though Spidey could easily give Joker a run for his money each time they'd fight. the Kingpin would probably have a rivalry with Joker similar to that of the Joker's relationship with Lex Luthor.
Deadpool and Joker would have a similar relationship that Deadpool has with most villains he encounters. They'd be major frienemies. :D Deadpool would fall in love with Harley Quinn at some point, causing the Joker to despise Deadpool, but still respect/admire him for all the killing he's done.
@Jorgevy: That's so silly. Saying that is to say that 90% of Marvel's villains should also be dead by now.
@Crash_Recovery said:
@Jorgevy: That's so silly. Saying that is to say that 90% of Marvel's villains should also be dead by now.
ya right cause 90 percent of villains in Marvel have no powers and are bat crap crazy
also I said that mainly because of certain characters in Marvel that wouldn't hesitate to kill him, like the Punisher
@Jorgevy: The Punisher rarely if ever kills any "name" characters so that's a pointless argument. By that logic, the Punisher would have cleaned up all crime in the Marvel U by now and would be standing on a pile of bodies including Doom, Magneto, Carnage, Thanos, etc.
If powers are what you think it takes to survive in the Marvel U, then Hawkeye, Captain America (since he's off the juice), Black Widow, Tony Stark (he doesn't wear the armor all day), Pepper Potts, Happy Hogan, and anyone in the Marvel U without a super power should be dead.
@Jorgevy: That's great, but that wasn't the question.
In the same universe you're talking about, the Punisher would be killed by nearly anyone with a super power.
The Joker is not real a Marvel characther he wouldn't real fit in. However he would make a living hell for Daredevil and Spider-Man (the two most likely enemies). People that think he woudn't survive don't understand the Marvel universe. He could esaily live in a hideout. Also Spider-Man and Daredevuk don't kill and have the same no kill rule as Batman. So think the could be trick into kill him is just stupid. That is not understanding the Marvel universe. Likeverse Punisher don't kill others enemies so he woudn't kill the Joker.
@Crash_Recovery: not to mention that some characters just hang around together, the point is? I dont see it. what i do see is a villain who in the marvel U would get killed fast because he just doesn't fit there, and he can barely survive in his own due to writers who obviously make him live through anything, sometimes it even looks like he has superhuman durability. all that aside he shouldn't survive long in DC U let alone in Marvel U
@Jorgevy: What I'm saying is that your point is true for nearly any character.
Spider-Man has defeated a herald of Galactus for God's sake. He's a guy with the proportional strength and speed of a spider, how does that make sense?
You seem to have a major beef with this character but your particular gripe is a major part of comics in general, not the Joker specifically.
@Crash_Recoverysaid:
@Jorgevy: What I'm saying is that your point is true for nearly any character.
then it is true. thank you
@Crash_Recovery said:
@Jorgevy: Spider-Man has defeated a herald of Galactus for God's sake. He's a guy with the proportional strength and speed of a spider, how does that make sense?
You seem to have a major beef with this character but your particular gripe is a major part of comics in general, not the Joker specifically.
what does PIS have to do with this? also, I have no "beef" with any character except for Gardner and Namor. And I have no gripe with any major part or whatever you are saying or better yet, putting in my mouth as if I said it. Joker wouldn't survive long. that's what I said, that's my view on the question in the OP "what if Joker lived in the Marvel U". if you really have a need to bother someone and get into a fight over something then do it with someone else, please. if you love the Joker that much to defend him even when no one is attacking him, then go to a Joker fansite and leave the general comic stuff here in CV
@Jorgevy: I have no issue with you Jorgevy, I just thought that your point didn't make sense in the light of many of the other characters in the Marvel U. Personally, I have no strong feelings about the Joker at all, I just thought your point didn't ring true for me.
I have nothing else to say on the issue and I'm happy to let you think what you want and I'll think what I want.
what happens how is relationship with other people listed below
Kingpin - Kills him for his empire
Steve Rogers - Annoys the hell out of Cap, making Cap kill him
Ghost Rider - Joker dies
Daredevil - would give DD a challenge
Norman Osborn in dark reign - they could team up
spiderman - ties him up and throws him into jail
Nick Fury - he would bust Joker's face in before he can take action on his plan
Deadpool - Joker dies laughing
He wouldn't be the same. The Joker is who he is because of Batman. Plus someone as murderous and inhuman as the Joker would quickly become The Punisher's number one target. Let's say one day he gets beat by Spider-Man, or Daredevil. On his way to Ravencroft he gets sniped by Frank.
I think Joker is a lot crazier and dangerous these day then he was in the past. He's also smart and if the End Game story line is to be believed he's been around a very VERY long time. Which means he's no amateur. He'd probably run circles around the vast majority of the MU. Also End Game hints he's possibly a demonic(qiute a few stories of a demonic clown are told in the story The Joker: Endgame) entity so Ghost Rider likely is the only one who could stand up to him because if Joker is more than he appears he's likely at the level of Loki but more demented.
They should SO do a Joker / Deadpool team up. I would LOVE to read that. They would have to do something to fix Deadpool's fear of clowns, though. Joker should be DC's Deadpool (murdering clown who goes after bad guys for fun and makes cute quips while doing it because obviously he enjoys his job). I don't think the DCU knows what they are doing. They lost track of their characters or something. The Clown Prince of Crime is a perfect DCU complement for Marvel's Deadpool, if done correctly.
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