Off YOUR Mind: Would Joker be a Good Villain in the Marvel Universe?

#51 Posted by kuma_far (510 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker would be pretty damn dangerous if let loose in Marvel. He is really intelligent, not only like a chemist and inventor but as a tactical mind, even if most of his motives are chaotic his method are very well planned. He is also the deadliest non cosmical threat in DC Universe having dozen or even hundred confirmed one on one kills. During the Infinity Crisis he served the Royal Flush Gang all alone. He is a great fighter (Batman noting how unexpectedly fast he can be in multiple stories) feels little to no pain and his chaotic fighting style can get the drop from character less talented in close combat. He haves inmunity to poison and to mind reading (or a least resistance) and a uncanny skill to avoid death.

I can see him making Daredevil life living hell. And torturing most of the Heroes sent to fight him. Punisher would only get the drop on him if he caughts the Joker off-guard.

#52 Edited by jcbart (341 posts) - - Show Bio

@tylerlugowski said:

I think the Marvel universe couldn't handle The Joker. That's just my opinion. I think Joker should stay in DC.

Don't you mean Joker couldn't handle the Marvel Universe? He'd have been dead long ago with the likes of Wolverine, Nick Fury, Punisher and X-Force about.

Especially given The Days of Preemptive Future storyline in Uncanny X-Force. Psylocke alone would take him out. Psylocke. Let alone other characters or even villains who wouldn't stand for his ways (since villains in the MU have more morality as a whole than DCU villains).

#53 Posted by oldstevens (16 posts) - - Show Bio

If it was done well and handled well then it would be an interesting cross over. I don't think he would own the Marvel universe as some people think he would however he would cause some carnage and would cause some headaches for people like Daredevil and the none mutant members of the universe.

#54 Posted by Novemberx2 (447 posts) - - Show Bio

well that's a tough one... a really tough one

#55 Posted by kagato (247 posts) - - Show Bio

@Top Flight Security said:

lol He'd probably team up with Deadpool and kill the entire Marvel roster.

This made me laugh, mostly because i could see it happening lol

#56 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

He would be dead already.

Probably that or on the Thunderbolts

#57 Posted by kimi74 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

Great question.. I like the idea of Joker going up against a telepath. The challenge, physically & mentally, could be fascinating to watch. Especially if the Joker plays on the history.. Pushes and pushes the telepath to breaking point. Batman can handle the psychological attacks - he's done it for so long. But a telepath, someone dealing with their own demons (Psylocke comes to mind, or Cable), could be really good if written well... He couldn't stay in the MU forever... Just feels wrong. But a visit, sure! Bring it on!

#58 Edited by SupremeHyperion (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would be dead. if it wasn't the punisher, daredevil, etc,etc who killed him in the first book I'm sure doctor doom or even kingpin would end him for just being annoying and having no real purpose besides to annoy batman.

#59 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Would a character like Joker even last in the Marvel Universe when there's people like Frank Castle running around?

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#60 Posted by crusader8463 (214 posts) - - Show Bio

He would be dead by the end of his first week. The Punisher would just roll up and kill him. If it wasn't him, marvel has a ton of people that would just kill him the second he started dancing around or threatening to bomb something. Even the villains wouldn't put up with his shit because he is too much of a wild card and the second he started trying to muscle in on someones turf he would be taken down. The only reason he is such a threat for Batman is because Batman never kills and the Joker uses that to his advantage.

#61 Posted by IronAngelX (192 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Joker would be perfect for someone like Daredevil or the Punisher. I couldn't really see him going up against any major super-powered individual or group. I do think that Marvel and DC need to put their heads together and come out with something of a cross-over series. There's a lot of characters that have been introduced that would be cool to see share some on-panel time.

#62 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1109 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk. Joker's just too engrained in the DCU for me to imagine him anywhere else. But, you know two great Marvel villains who I feel would fit right in in the DCU? The first I'd say is Galactus. DC, like Marvel, has boatloads of cosmic characters running around. Imagine if Galactus was pitted against the Anti-Monitor, for example. I would just give them my money. Also, I think Annihilus would fit in well as sort of a terrorist in the Anti-Matter Universe. I could definitely see him battling it out with the likes of the Weaponers.

#63 Posted by Crackdown (604 posts) - - Show Bio

Then in a twist of fate, Moon Knight would show up, carve his face off, and kick him into a glass recycling churn

#64 Posted by wdchefdave (136 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man has a goblin or two...

Daredevil had a "Jester"...

And, Punisher would definable not get the joke!

Nope, Joker belongs to the Bat!

He rarely plays with anyone outside the Bat Family.

(Moon Knight would be fun... only he may be even more insane than Joker!)

#65 Posted by Decept-O (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

I think a lot of posters have already summed up, the Clown Prince of Crime wouldn't last very long in the Marvel U.

#66 Posted by Vincie_Pooh (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I wanna see him interact with the other bad guys in Marvel. I could just see him and Green goblin working together and making chaos.

#67 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to say that there are some serious vigilante's in marvel that would kill Joker without a blink.

#68 Posted by Barkley (272 posts) - - Show Bio

not really

#69 Posted by BushidoBlack (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@turoksonofstone said:

Pretty much. The Punisher would take care of him.

#70 Posted by feargalr (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

I literally have no idea where or how the Joker would fit into the Marvel universe....

#71 Posted by karrob (4279 posts) - - Show Bio

@ARMIV2 said:

If handled right...and kinda only put in very specific stories...maybe...

He wouldn't own the Marvel Universe though.

Well said!

#72 Posted by Hero4life (264 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I think Marvel has already been trying to copy Joker. Just look at Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, and Arcade.

Arcade was basically joker only difference didn't paint his face.

#73 Posted by Z3RO180 (6534 posts) - - Show Bio

if joker can give batman a hard time then he can give spiderman a really really really hard time

#74 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuma_far said:

The Joker would be pretty damn dangerous if let loose in Marvel. He is really intelligent, not only like a chemist and inventor but as a tactical mind, even if most of his motives are chaotic his method are very well planned. He is also the deadliest non cosmical threat in DC Universe having dozen or even hundred confirmed one on one kills. During the Infinity Crisis he served the Royal Flush Gang all alone. He is a great fighter (Batman noting how unexpectedly fast he can be in multiple stories) feels little to no pain and his chaotic fighting style can get the drop from character less talented in close combat. He haves inmunity to poison and to mind reading (or a least resistance) and a uncanny skill to avoid death.

I can see him making Daredevil life living hell. And torturing most of the Heroes sent to fight him. Punisher would only get the drop on him if he caughts the Joker off-guard.

I absolutely agree. Most of these other comments assume that:

1. Most marvel characters have no compunction with killing (which isn't true)

2. The character they've decided to pit against the Joker would survive the first encounter.

Anyone who assumes that most Marvel characters can easily "take out" the Joker is also assuming that those same characters could easily best Batman, who the Joker sometimes outwits, outplays, or just plain kills the loved ones of.

#75 Posted by Pazuzu (32 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly even if he was paired with a hero like spider-man He would easily push them to kill him,

Joker VS a super-powered Hero in the marvel Universe would end with a dead joker

Either by his main hero or another hero just passing through.

#76 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3819 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would be dead, but he'll still come back to torment the lives of every hero. That'll be a laugh...

>:D

#77 Posted by Mycroftian (109 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing that makes Joker great is his relationship with Batman. Strip him of that and I don't think he'd really be that compelling a villain. I'm sure it would be possible to write a decent story with Joker in the Marvel U, but I think the character loses something without his eternal foil, and wouldn't make for nearly as good a villain.

#78 Posted by spinningwebs (36 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he'd work best as a Spider-man or Daredevil villain. Punisher wouldn't be good cause he wouldnt really have the same kind of relationship that could develop with the others.

#79 Edited by TheCowman (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, he'd work fine.

He's so tied into Batman that it'd probably take awhile to establish a good relationship with the hero he'd be menacing, but you could do it. Probably one of the lower tier "street" heroes; Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight, Iron Fist, etc.

As for whether or not he'd be killed.....

Well of course he wouldn't. I mean, yes, realistically Joker stands zero chance against someone like Wolverine. Hell, Batroc the Leaper could take him out in a straight hand to hand fight. The Joker doesn't get killed because he's an A-list villain; and A-list villains never permanently die. They're too popular.

Operating on realism, Joker'd be dead within a week in Marvel OR DC, since most villains would be happy to snuff him out just as much as the heroes.

#80 Posted by Sleepbutnodream15 (570 posts) - - Show Bio

He would be a good villain until he gets caught because I think that more characters are willing to kill in the Marvel U than in DC.

#81 Posted by kuma_far (510 posts) - - Show Bio

He doesnt seem like a fighter, but he took out the Royal Flush Gang by himself, he gives Batman too much fight. Batman is a master martial artist that could easily overpower the Joker, but the Joker is ridiculous resourceful and skilled in combat, I think he could outsmart wolvie or the Punisher. He is alive thanks to that resourcefulness, he haves always another weapon in the sleeve or another wacky plan. He sure haves some plot armor, but which villain dont?

#82 Posted by jimmyziogas (88 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like the original Joker required a certain amount of "suspension of disbelief" to accept him as a formidable foe for Batman. The fact that he was retconned and made into a comlete psycho makes him more believable, and it also allowed Batman to evolve with him. No one can really agree as to the amount influence that Marvel's darker toned series and their success had over Batman's evolution, but we all agree that in the end, Batman is way more badass. The Joker's constant ability to surprise the reader, and delve more thoroughly into his depravity and lunacy with each issue makes him one of the all time great villains, and I feel like he would make an impact on nearly every issue he touched. I agree that he wouldn't work well with lines like the Silver Surfer or the Guardians of the Galaxy, but he might fit in well with the likes of Iron Man, Spider-Man, Blade, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider, Captain America, or even the X-Men lines if it was done well and with a lot of thought. That being said, we all look at major cross overs as a money motivated thing these days. I think it would be cooler if with all the social media at our disposal, the two major companies would create some type of official online battles, created by the fans, and include a voting system . I feel like nearly all readers want to see the varying contests of stregnth between the two universes [or multiverses] and their vast array of characters and timelines, so why not give it to them in a format they actually have an impact on. Creating matchups, submitting new ideas,casting ballots and voting would really make this medium interactive on a whole new level. An app or website could even use existing artwork, and minimal ad generated revenue so it would be cheap to run and still make money. I know it would really be something I would love as a fan of both companies.

PS: Not that I don't love comicvine's but we all love original content more:)

#83 Posted by BamfSniktFwip45 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want to really get into this rage over wether or not he'd die. Frankly, yeah theres tons of heroes in marvel and DC both who COULD and WOULD or probably SHOULD kill the Joker, but while he's a psychotic villain he also is a master of escape or else he'd be long dead by now.

Who's book would he be in? Who'd be his nemesis? Certainly NOT spiderman, or the x-men or the avengers or the fantastic four... But another street level guy... punisher and daredevil are good choices because Joker is most famous for running gangs and mobster style crime organizations. It wouldn't have to be just about the joker, the hero would have to fight his way up the food chain to reach him first. (Frankly I'd like to see Joker V Deadpool for the sheer comic slapstick value of it.)

What I want to point out is, the Joker, to me, would be pretty redundant in Marvel... we've already got a whole slew of Goblins who do essentially the same shtick, act crazy and laugh at people. We've already got FAR better mobsters and gangsters than the weirdo Gotham mobs (Penguin? Joker? Two Face?) in the form of the King Pin, Quartmain, and Mr. Negative. Joker just seems incompatible with Marvel to me... and honestly he's way to hyped in DC too...

Think of Batman. Batman is the worlds greatest detective, the worlds greatest strategist, a master of technology and martial arts on the same level as GODS, NEW GODS, TIME TRAVELERS and SUPERMAN, but yet somehow it's believable that he is incapable of putting this insane sewer trash into prison? I guess I don't get it.

(Lex Luthor V Dr. Doom is WAY more interesting to me.)

#84 Posted by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think that the Joker would work in the Marvel universe because he just wouldn't be as interesting when you remove him from Gotham and when you dissolve his relationship with Batman. In Gotham, he's the living personification of madness, the twisted heart and soul of Arkham. And as such, he makes the perfect adversary for Batman. Even his colourful wardrobe and personality are in total contrast with the Dark Knight's. But those would be lost if he fell into Marvel's hands. There's no room among the larger-than-life superheroes, Heli-carriers, and Punishers for a dapper old-school comedian who's most vicious weapon to date is a crowbar.

#85 Posted by Lurkero (186 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker is only a good villain because Batman won't kill him. MAYBE Spiderman in the Marvel universe, but I don't see Joker meaning much to Marvel.

#86 Posted by fraffly (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I also don't think the Joker would survive the Marvel U for more than 5 minutes, there are a lot more characters with no compunctions about killing than even in the DCnU. But put him in the Carnage Symbiote and you have a powerful and barking mad villain who goes well with everyone from Spider-Man over Wolverine up to the Hulk.

#87 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah, lol Joker just doesn't belong in the 616 reality because there are just so too many heroes that walk the fine line between killing and no killing that they wouldn't put up with his antics for long. I namely think of that whole spread that shows Punisher ready to put a bullet in Joker's head. That was no show of force obviously. Castle meant business and he would have done the deed had Batman not been there to stop him. A crossover every once in a while is fine and its shown in the past to be effective. But to permanently move him there, definitely not. He'd be just a constant mind#$%^ to those he did screw around with, and no I don't believe on his own he'd be effective against the Avengers or even X-Men, even if the events of Last Laugh would have us think otherwise. Nah, just keep him where he is in Earth-0 now where he belongs ^^.

#88 Posted by aaunderoath (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Lamest villain of all time .. sorry I know I'm the only one that thinks this but if he were in the Marvel U I'd say he'd work being a Daredevil, Hawkeye, or Winter Soldier villain

#89 Posted by Green ankh (998 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the only Marverl id see Joker with is the Punisher. TO work with others i think you'd have to tweek Joker to much to fit.

#90 Posted by matchstick76 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Moonknight will kill with him. He's the Batman of Marvel U...but as stated, less forgiving.

#91 Posted by faceforest (4 posts) - - Show Bio

My opinion, you people give the Joker far too much credit. The way DC writes their heroes you're lucky to see any sort of bloodshed. Joker would be dead. If not from the heroes, from other villains that don't like competition. You could pit him against a range of Marvel characters. Spidey and Daredevil are good ones, Moon Knight and the Punisher, members of Heroes for Hire. Putting him against other villains would be fun too. Especially Bullseye, Task Master, or if he issued a challenge to King Pin. But the one guy I'd love to see him go toe to toe with is Deadpool. If you wrote him like he was in the late 90's early 00's, or basically like DPKTMU, that would be a great story.

#92 Posted by mattwing87 (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel doesn't need Joker. It has Norman Osborn. He may not be as ruthless as the Joker but he pretty damn close at times.

#93 Posted by Xtremesteve (21 posts) - - Show Bio

DC sucks. If Marvel had the Batman franchise the whole company would tank.

#94 Posted by Emperormeister734 (813 posts) - - Show Bio

He would become the most hated villain among anyone in the marvel universe, he'd probably piss off Deadpool the most.

#95 Posted by tuananhxu99001 (96 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think so, most of marvel characters are too powerful for Joker and none of them are cool enough, Punisher is too brutal, Daredevil is... no. And the environment is too "bright" for Joker, you see Gotham,it's a "dark" place.

Batman is the perfect hero for Joker, no killing, smart, had a cool origin/personality not too powerful compare to Joker and got humiliated by Joker lots of times.

If Joker is in Marvel,a hero for him should be an out-law one or at least give Joker some superpowers...

#96 Posted by VyseCarma (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would have been great for marvel, way back when their heroes refused to kill. The fact that Marvel now pushes the "Flawed Hero" element means somebody, somewhere, no matter how Lawfully Good the are will be pushed to the edge of insanity and beat Joker to death with something.

I must say, though, I'd love to see Joker vs Cap. Cap has to be along the same lines as Batman and so he would probably be the best option to throw Joker at. Another thought, with Joker in the Marv-U does that mean Harley has left the DCU as well?

#97 Posted by tuananhxu99001 (96 posts) - - Show Bio

And no one in the Marvel universe can stand Joker's craziness...

#98 Posted by pmvaun (14 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker needs Batman just like Batman needs the Joker. I am sure if you put the Joker in the Marvel Universe he would settle down have some kids and become a politician or something. Joker does what he does because it is a fun game with Batman. Batman won't kill him so he knows he can't really lose. But in the end the wrong guy always goes to Arkham Asylum...

#99 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pazuzu said:

Honestly even if he was paired with a hero like spider-man He would easily push them to kill him,

Joker VS a super-powered Hero in the marvel Universe would end with a dead joker

Either by his main hero or another hero just passing through.

The Joker currently lives in a universe with Superman and Green Lantern. Both of these guys could rip planets in half, and have killed previous, yet the Joker lives. Is this due strictly to their mercy?

If Marvel heroes are so ready to eliminate their foes, how come there are so many? Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Doctor Doom, etc all live.

#100 Posted by jpblair88 (45 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would kill Spider-Man in some ironic hilarious way and then the Avengers would make sure to crucify him publicly. Joker only works with Batman. I personally would rather see what DC would do with the Marvel characters. It would make sense for the US government to put together a super team in light of the Justice League forming. so there you have the Avengers. X-Men could be a bit trickier but it would be fun to see what Geoff Johns would do with them. could be awful though. I could see them as a new version of Outsiders in a story kind of similar to The Ravagers. Wolverine in the place of Fairchild. add in Rogue, Gambit, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Psylocke as the rest of the team on the run from Weapon X Program. Cyclops and Phoenix have a strained and semi-secret relationship because Cyke works for SHIELD and Jean Grey is an open telepath who works for Charles Xavier of a metahuman rights organization. Beast also works for SHIELD and Storm is part of the Global Guardians formed by the UN.

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