Joker in Marvel

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#1 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

What if Joker was in Marvel world instead of DC and had an archenemy in Spiderman like he did Batman how would that pan out?

#2 Posted by Aronmorales (9434 posts) - - Show Bio

it'd be uber-awesome.

Joker would probably do all of the things the Goblin did...waitaminute...did the Goblin switch out with the Joker?

#3 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio


#4 Edited by ARMIV (4140 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
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I had this book!
Where is it?!
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This Joker reminds me of Danny Elfman...
#5 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

So Spiderman and Joker did cross paths before?

#6 Posted by Aronmorales (9434 posts) - - Show Bio
@ARMIV said:
" @Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
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I had this book!Where is it?! "

Probably in a box.
#7 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

Was that when Batman crossed with Spiderman? Was it a good book?

#8 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sidney said:
"Was that when Batman crossed with Spiderman? Was it a good book? "
it wasn't bad
#9 Posted by Aronmorales (9434 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sidney said:
" Was that when Batman crossed with Spiderman? Was it a good book? "

Yep (to both questions), Joker teams up with Carnage while Batman and Spidey team up...
'Nuff said.
#10 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yeah i remember Joker played the smack out of Carnage. So did they ever fight Batman and Spiderman? Also has Superman crossed with Spiderman before?

#11 Edited by Aronmorales (9434 posts) - - Show Bio

Uhm, I can't remember if Joker and Carnage actually fought Spidey and the Bat together...
as for Superman and Spidey? yeah, it was the very first time marvel and DC crossed over.

Can't find the stupid picture, but it's awesome.

I think you can find it here on Comic Vine.

#12 Posted by Dr. ? man (154 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Joker would be more attracted to Daredevil than Spider-Man for the whole "straight man" comic routine.

#13 Posted by Chaos Agent (2150 posts) - - Show Bio


#14 Posted by DonavanWolfMaster (136 posts) - - Show Bio

SPIDERMAN WOULD GET HIS ASS KICKED!

#15 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

Of Course Spiderman would get destroyed by Superman. Why would Joker be attracted to Daredevil more then Spiderman?

#16 Posted by Sheep-Kill (617 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be cool he he appears in the Dark Reign series but wants to take on Norman Osbourne.  Or maybe have him fight Luke Cage.



#17 Posted by NightFang (10068 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be funny as Hell.

#18 Posted by Sidney (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah but why would he be attarcted to daredevil instead of spiderman?

#19 Posted by spiderpigbart (2651 posts) - - Show Bio

He would not survive. 1 run in with Punisher? He would not survive.

#20 Posted by goldenkey (2927 posts) - - Show Bio

He could only work in Spiderman.  Maybe Punisher. 
#21 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would be attracted to Daredevil because Daredevil is so easy to torture, Mr. Fear proved this. However, the Joker would make mincemeat of Daredevil because he is so dumb.  Punisher would have a hard time tracking down the Joker because he doesn't operate like the villains he is used to killing. He can disappear and reappear at random. I imagine that Carnage and Joker would seek each other out and become Mayhem or some such insanity. They would be like two bullets in a derringer, ready to kill anyone who stands in their way. It would be great to see.

#22 Posted by UnsolvedParadox (262 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll put in another vote for Joker vs Daredevil, especially with what Bendis, Brubaker and Diggle have done with the Man Without Fear. I can see the Clown Prince of Crime fitting in really well with that set of characters, especially Bullseye and Typhoid Mary.

#23 Posted by Catastrophic (312 posts) - - Show Bio

If he'd appear during Dark Reign, he would go for Osbourne.

#24 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
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That pretty much explains it.
#25 Posted by Jayso4201 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

joker while being my fav villain of all time wouldnt make it n marvel. the only reason he is still around is batman don't kill, but punisher or wolvie aint got those rules.
#26 Posted by ironshadow (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine would carve a really nice smile for him, from ear to ear 

#27 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8865 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure the argument that because Marvel has heroes that kill would pan out against Joker.   DC has plenty of heroes ready to kill and a lot of villains have tried killing the joker as well.  All have failed at killing him. Joker's victim list includes many devious villains as well. 
 
The Joker is a brilliant villain. If he were to go against Marvel characters it would probably pan out just like in DC he'd either outsmart then like he does or writer fiat (unfortunately on that part) would keep him alive.

#28 Posted by DeathDefyingDevil (722 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir:  
Epic picture! I MUST BUY THAT BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!
#29 Posted by Sherlock (7258 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think hed do well in spiderman.Batman and Joker is just to perfect you cant get any better than that

#30 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

they had Joker remember that cross-over in Marvel Vs DC, as if it happened a few months before it,
but Spider-Man didnt remember as he was Ben Reilly. Joker told him he liked the new costume.
always thought it was odd that they put that in there.
 
really a few people summed it up really, really well and in detail here.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/batman-and-spider-man-in/528525/
#31 Posted by ComicStooge (12849 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher kills him...
#32 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dr. ? man said:
"I think the Joker would be more attracted to Daredevil than Spider-Man for the whole "straight man" comic routine. "

Me too. Daredevil is almost the marvel equivalent of Batman.
#33 Posted by The Dave (142 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends what he decides to do, hes just as likely to be a minor nuisance as cause a world war.
 
Plus, there is a really good chance Batman would follow him there, as anyone dealing with the Joker for the first time would have no clue what was in store for them.
Joker gets underestimated a lot (except by Bats, because Bats knows better) I can't see spider-man even taking him seriously until the insane plot was well in motion.
 
Joker allows for some really well-written villainy, I can't see this being any different. I doubt he'd come on top since heroes generally don't lose, and theres a high chance Batman will be there to warn everyone.

#34 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sidney said:
" What if Joker was in Marvel world instead of DC and had an archenemy in Spiderman like he did Batman how would that pan out? "
Punisher would kill him in a guest appearance.
#35 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you realize that their are at least ten vigilantes who kill who operate in Gotham not to mention the endless list of villains who want his head on a stake as well Joker has put down and defeated people way stronger adn all around better than {unisher so this "Punisher kills him is not a issue"

#36 Posted by The Dave (142 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Do you realize that their are at least ten vigilantes who kill who operate in Gotham not to mention the endless list of villains who want his head on a stake as well Joker has put down and defeated people way stronger adn all around better than {unisher so this "Punisher kills him is not a issue" "
Very true, Joker would probably trick Mr. Castle into blowing away innocents.. while on camera.. live...
Joker won't put himself in a position where his death is likely.. unless.. its part of the plan.
#37 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would make a better villain for Daredevil.

#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio
Batman goes to light on his villains.I don't think there is one street leveler besides Cap that would have paralyzed or killed him by now.
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#39 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:
" @Dr. ? man said:
"I think the Joker would be more attracted to Daredevil than Spider-Man for the whole "straight man" comic routine. "
Me too. Daredevil is almost the marvel equivalent of Batman. "
Yea, if you fused him with Cap.
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#40 Posted by spider-pig23 (1117 posts) - - Show Bio

 

  Spider-Man=Optimistic 
Joker=Despondent 
Optimistic+Despondent=Optimistic 
Spider-Man+Joker=Optimistic 
-Optimistic=Joker 
 Joker=Optimistic  
Joker=-Joker 
-Dark and serious=Gay 
-Joker=Gay 
Spider-Man+Joker=-Joker 
SPIDER-MAN+JOKER=GAY!!!
#41 Posted by Doombot_666 (213 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker would mentally torture Daredevil with the latter's strong sense of morality, he'd mentally torture Spider-Man when he finds out enough about him to get to his loved ones, he'd trick Punisher into killing innocents, he'd pull out supernatural plots against Ghost Rider (like when he summoned Etrigan to kill Batman), he'd probably challenge the Kingpin, he could even be an Avengers-level threat with WMDs. During Dark Reign, Joker would've went to war against Osborne like Zodiac did in similar but probably more comical ways. Joker would be an awesome Marvel villain.

#42 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10845 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker beat once Deathstroke, Deatstroke once beat the X Men with Wolverine and he once kicked Punishe in the Balls. 
Then there is no way Punisher and Wolverine could even touch him. 
He will take over the Marvel universe in like a year. 
I think Daredevil is the only character that he could actually rok, he is like Batman and that the way that the Joker work at all his potential.

#43 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher probably would have killed him along time ago.

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#44 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" Punisher probably would have killed him along time ago. "
Just seen this thread and that was the first thing that came into my head. Then I see you put it. -_- stay outta my head
#45 Posted by crabtree (1623 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
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"i hate those webs under spider-mans armpits
#46 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again Batman is not the only person who deals with The Joker. The Joker has a hit list on his head longer than the holy bible and their are plenty of vigilantes operational in Gotham who are willing to kill but can not kill The Joker. I would say a prepared Joker kills Punisher Spider-Man Daredevil or Cap long before they kill him. The only reason Batman beats a prepared joker most of the time is due to CIS and PIS because of their relation ship and Batman's knowledge on how the Joker operates 

#47 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10845 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler:
WTF? The Punisher?, I am the only human that remember Archie Meets the Punisher and Punisher: Purgatory and Punisher: A Man Named Frank?
 
Still, the Joker beats Superman, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke, how there is a way that Punisher could even touch him?
#48 Posted by scourgexlvii (124 posts) - - Show Bio
@spider-pig23 said:
"     Spider-Man=Optimistic  Joker=Despondent  Optimistic+Despondent=Optimistic  Spider-Man+Joker=Optimistic  -Optimistic=Joker   Joker=Optimistic   Joker=-Joker  -Dark and serious=Gay  -Joker=Gay  Spider-Man+Joker=-Joker  SPIDER-MAN+JOKER=GAY!!! "
This has so little logic in it, I feel I must tear it apart myself: Even assuming you can say everything in the first 3 lines is given, and you work at it like a mathematical proof (It's not, but I'll get to that later) You can say that Spider-man+Joker=Optimistic, but the next step to that is either Joker=Optimistic-Spider-man=Optimistic-Optimistic=0 or Spider-man=Optimistic-Joker=Optimistic-Despondent; however given that optimistic+despondent=Optimistic (something you can already see as despondent being the additive identity element, aka 0, but lets just go with it), you can subtract despondent from both sides , and gather that Optimistic=optimistic-despondent, and get Spider-man=optimist, something already given. Assuming it is also given that -optimist=Joker (your givens are all over the place, so I can't even see what you were trying to prove with this moronic set up), you can see that Joker=Despondent=0. -optimist=0. optimist=0 Optimist=Despondent, which is not true; your argument is invalid right there. 
 
There's more I could say about this specific set up, but I wont, because that's not what we are here for (I only disproved the set up to begin with, because I felt it was my duty as a former math major to remove him from the gene pool, but barring a gun, and the knowledge of where he lives, the most I could do would be to utterly disprove the basis of his argument). The fact of the matter is that the Spider-man, while not as good of a match for the Joker as Batman, would make a decent arch-nemesis, given his vulnerability, as, moreso than many other heroes, more of an average person beyond the mask. Think about it: Batman is always shown as batman, and Bruce Wayne as a facade. Superman is closer to Spider-man on that, but his level of power makes him still not able to pull off that niche. Any public identity superheroes such as the Fantastic Four or Steve Rogers can be excluded from this, since by definition, their normal-lives are inherently not normal. Similarly with super-rich characters like Batman or Tony Stark, and also with general misanthropes, or such, as they are also exempt from the social and/or financial problems normal people have. There are relatively few super-heroes that function in society similarly to normal people, and Spider-man is one of them. And as has been shown The Killing Joke, the Joker can make normal people's life a living hell. It's unlikely that Peter's alter-ego could be maintained for long against the Joker, who, though people seem to forget, has great intellect, and reasoning skills, and is not subject to the genre blindness that other villains are, or at least to the extent of others. In fact, not to disrespect Spidey, but the Joker may be too good of a villain for Spidey. Given the whiney, emo wangst that he had in, for example OMD, which though stupid is not totally out of character for him (making a deal with the devil is, however) , it is unlikely that old Pete could survive the psychological torment the Joker would put him through, through endless lose-lose situations, sadistic choices, and the like, and end up sane at he end.
 
I would have to say Daredevil would make a better villain, as he is more like Marvel's Batman analogue , and would be able to keep up with the Joker's Psychological punishment easier. The Punisher probably wouldn't be able to kill him, because, despite the Punisher's lenient use of lethality (I love alliteration) The Joker is also known for manipulation, strategy, traps, and having more lives than a box of kittens covered in Marzipan.
#49 Posted by punchline (53 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember the crossover with Batman/Captain America where Joker punched Red Skull in the face and said something about hating Nazi's. Nice to know that even though Joker wants to kill everyone that he has pride in his country. What would happen if Joker and Loki teamed up. Maybe Joker and Arcade.

#50 Posted by TheJokerha (161 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderpigbart: He did have a run in with Punisher and Joker got the better of him.  I'll try to quote it as best I can off the top of my head.
:Spoilers ahead:
The only reason Punisher survived is Joker decided to fire his gun off right next to Punisher's eyes instead of putting a bullet into his head. Just to mess with him. Joker used Punisher's rage against him. Joker really did run circles around him.
But, to be fair, Punisher did get the upper hand by accident. Joker slipped on a banana peel and it gave Punisher a chance to get a gun aimed at Joker's forehead. Joker's reaction. "A banana peel? Now THAT"S comedy." Punisher pulled back the hammer and Joker said "You are really going to do it!"
Then Batman stepped in and pulled Punisher off of Joker just as the gun went off. Batman told Joker to run, and Joker vanished into the night. Batman allowed Punisher one punch because "You probably feel I deserve it." Punisher went for another punch and Batman disarmed him and knocked him over ".. but one punch is all you get. Leave Gotham or I'll put you in Arkham with all the other lunatics." Punisher's answer "You and that grinning madman desearve each other." and he walked away.

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