Is the Ledger Joker a better version than the Joker we have today

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#1 Posted by batmanary (790 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO Heath Ledger's Joker was good, but it didn't feel like THE joker , it felt more like a psycho henchman or something, simply because of the way he was played. How about you guys? What do you think?

#2 Posted by Icarusflies (12512 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually preferred Ledger's Joker…I'm not much of a fan of the comic version, never have been.

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#3 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's R.I.P Joker was easily my favorite comicbook version (Allstar Batman & Robin coming in second). I dont know if its the  the early death or just great acting, but I loved Ledgers Joker. Sad we'll never get to see a follow up.

#4 Posted by Sydpart2 (1055 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I don't see much of a difference between them. Ledger's was less flamboyant but that's about it...maybe it's because I've just gotten to the point where I treat the Joker Blogs as canon with the rest of the Nolanverse stuff, but I just see the Ledger version as an accurate representation of the comic character.

#5 Posted by Primmaster64 (21073 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark Hamill

#6 Posted by nemesis77 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger treated him as purely psychotic, dirty and grimy, which works well today with the contempory times.  But I didn't care for him much. For that's all he was. Flat and one dimensional, IMPO.  
 
But I think Mark Hamill's version from the TAS series was just amazing. Jokey, horrid puns, flamboyant, some great lines, reckless, human and twisted. He was insane and his plans had no meaning most of the time, yet he was also very intelligent and resourceful. Hamill's voice work was profilic on the show, the wide range of laughs and cackles. His humor, he was a genuinely funny and interesting character.  Seeing him in 'Mask of Phantasm,' they pushed the limits on him more making him more psychotic and darker, it was a blast to see. Made me wonder how they were able to get  a PG rating. 
 
'Kaiser and I will settle this man to clown.' 
Great stuff. 
 

Mark Hamill's Joker
#7 Posted by GabrielNox (139 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, much better. So is Batman, what with the lack of pj's and everything.

The only reason I like the movies is because they're not stuck in the past and have the nuts to "break the icon" as it ware.

#8 Posted by batmanary (790 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the movies too, and I like his portrayal, but the flamboyance and even the craziness of the Joker seemed lacking, in the movie. He actually seemed sane. And yes I know that the Joker in the comics is sometimes called sane, and is acting crazy, I just feel Ledger's Joker felt a bit generic, even if his performance was good.

#9 Posted by yousuck137 (16 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought ledger was good as the Joker, but maybe a little overrated. I feel like he was praised for acting like he had horrible cotton mouth the entire movie.

#10 Posted by WW-Fan (2728 posts) - - Show Bio

Jack Nicoleson was much better Joker 
 
  
  here is a comparison of Heath Laugh and Jack one :)
#11 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (12520 posts) - - Show Bio

I am still in shok about the fact that people like the Joker just as a plain dumb clown.
I like him more like Ledger, Dimaggio, Arkahm Sylum, psycho, clear insane, funny in his own way Joker.

#12 Posted by Pokeysteve (8663 posts) - - Show Bio
@batmanary said:
" IMO Heath Ledger's Joker was good, but it didn't feel like THE joker , it felt more like a psycho henchman or something, simply because of the way he was played. How about you guys? What do you think? "
I agree with this. I always feel like an outsider because of my feelings for Ledger's Joker. He was missing something. At the end of the Dark Knight if he had blown up both those boats anyways and then laughed in Batman's face he would have been the perfect Joker. He lacked the body count. 
#13 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

All jokers kick equal amounts of @ss imo.

#14 Edited by Pokeysteve (8663 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:

" All jokers kick equal amounts of @ss imo. "

 
Oh really? 
 
Joker

   
=D
#15 Posted by Vitality (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger's joker was most definitely the best Joker of all...in my opinion.
#16 Posted by howlettgrowl (682 posts) - - Show Bio

heath's Joker was really freaking good...but i love mark hamill 's joker as well...that's why i'm pissed when i found that batman: arkham city will be the last time that he will voice the joker...pissed...

#17 Edited by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio

For my money the Best Jokerin the movies was Ledger.  The best comic Joker was in "Joker" he was a mix of the two Jokers. 
 I don't get when people say Ledger  was not like the Comic Joker. He did things I thought were scary and funny things just like in the comics.  
the thing about Ledger's Joker was you never once could tell it was him if you did not know it already. it was a type of role he never did before

#18 Posted by SC (13365 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger's Joker was great, it should have been, much more creative freedom, as little continuity constraints as wished by the director, a chance to pick some of the best aspects of the Comic book versions, and refine them, to provide a perfect antagonist to a similar refined and altered Batman. Honestly can't say that this version is best though. Perfect for the movie, but mediums change things, they have their own issues and problems that need to be dealt with in different ways respectively. Advantages and disadvantages. Superficial things only possible in certain mediums can become a huge deal, depending on again the medium. Facial ticks, liplicking gestures, even compare TAS Rogue's accent to her comic book accent. Actually hearing her can make a huge difference. I too am fond of Mark Hamill's version. Comic versions, depends on the writer.

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#19 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27119 posts) - - Show Bio

no, not at all.

#20 Posted by Eyz (3042 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" All jokers kick equal amounts of @ss imo. "
 
Oh really? 
 
   =D "

 
You have to be truly insane to paint your 'stache!
#21 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

The comic Joker IS the Joker. In particular Alan Moore's and Grant Morrison's Joker which is the greatest villain ever to appear in a fictional medium.

#22 Edited by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

" @batmanary said:

" IMO Heath Ledger's Joker was good, but it didn't feel like THE joker , it felt more like a psycho henchman or something, simply because of the way he was played. How about you guys? What do you think? "

I agree with this. I always feel like an outsider because of my feelings for Ledger's Joker. He was missing something. At the end of the Dark Knight if he had blown up both those boats anyways and then laughed in Batman's face he would have been the perfect Joker. He lacked the body count.  "
 
Exactly How I feel about his Joker, he felt more like a henchmen than Batman's greatest foe.  I would have thought he would have blown up the boats, I mean that could have been his defining moment as The Joker and then did crzy laugh.
#23 Posted by Pokeysteve (8663 posts) - - Show Bio
@Eyz said:
 You have to be truly insane to paint your 'stache! "
 
Damn true story haha.  
Mr. Romero we are going to have to shave your... 
NO! Just paint over it! OOOOHHHOOOOOHOOO!  
 
Crazy. 
 
 
@CrimsonAvenger said:
" @Pokeysteve said:

" @batmanary said:

" IMO Heath Ledger's Joker was good, but it didn't feel like THE joker , it felt more like a psycho henchman or something, simply because of the way he was played. How about you guys? What do you think? "

I agree with this. I always feel like an outsider because of my feelings for Ledger's Joker. He was missing something. At the end of the Dark Knight if he had blown up both those boats anyways and then laughed in Batman's face he would have been the perfect Joker. He lacked the body count.  "
  Exactly How I feel about his Joker, he felt more like a henchmen than Batman's greatest foe.  I would have thought he would have blown up the boats, I mean that could have been his defining moment as The Joker and then did crzy laugh. "
I was actually on the edge of my seat waiting for it. They chose instead to give the people on the boats a little story line. The cool black guy on the convicts boat was pretty awesome though lol. 
#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35016 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledgers joker was awesome i thought... Why so serious? his joker as well as the one in Batman R.I.P are my fav. 

all I want now is for johnny Depp to play this version of the Riddler in the next movie and il be happy. 

#25 Posted by X-MEN55 (16 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vitality said:
" Ledger's joker was most definitely the best Joker of all...in my opinion. "
Agreed.
#26 Posted by punchline (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark hamill's joker was and still is the best. If you don't believe me I have proof. Not only did he own the role in the Batman

 
 
 
 
 
 
The animated series  but also in


Arkham Asylum Video Game . Having voiced the role in both. Two different media's same great laugh
#27 Posted by Cervantes (601 posts) - - Show Bio


I see where you're coming from, because Ledger seemed to create a purely sociopathic anarchist - sometimes felt like the son of Marlon Brando's Godfather with his line delivery. But he did SUCH an awesome job I think most people just rolled with it. Even though it wasn't the Joker.  
 
Also, Dark Knight basically was Batman: the War on Terror - everything was translated into a metaphor for the War on Terror: 

Batman: Special Ops 
Cops: coalition military 
Joker: Bin Laden 
Bat Cave's Cell Scanner: Echelon program 
Lucius Fox: civil libertarians 
Convoy carrying Gordon: coalition convoy 
Joker's human shields: human shields
 
Ironically, by those terms Batman HAS killed the Joker! Bye bye, Bin Laden...  

Loved Hamill in BTAS, great laughs, great writing 
 
Here's something that could NEVER happen that'd I'd like to see in the comics... JOKER, INC.

#28 Posted by Cervantes (601 posts) - - Show Bio
@.Mistress Redhead.
 
Here's the version I prefer, but this could NEVER happen: JOKER, INC.
#29 Posted by SensitivePsych0 (504 posts) - - Show Bio

My favorite movie is the Dark Knight, but i would say Hamill's Joker is only a little bit better. Although the Ledger Joker is one of the greatest characters ever made.

#30 Edited by Adnan (1021 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger Joker captured the psychological undertones of The Joker, but still kept elements of that playfulness in there. Keeping in mind that this would be Batman and Jokers first meeting in this story, I think he did a spot on job. Comic-book Joker is far more developed than Ledger Joker though, it's a nonsensical comparison.

I seriously felt like I was watching The Crow again at some points though (not a bad thing)

#31 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Briefly, no. He was terrific, and a great interpretation of the character. But as we've seen by imitations (Young Justice Joker, anyone?) that interpretation can't be pulled off by everyone and is honestly not true to the character. When I read comics I hear Hamill's voice, and that should never change.

#32 Posted by luckydomino1 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

although i really enjoyed the heath ledger joker i like the old one better

#33 Posted by The Stegman (26004 posts) - - Show Bio

to me, ALL of the jokers we've seen in other media are all slight personality traits of the comic joker 
 
Ledger's Joker showed the dark demented side 
 
Nicholson's Joker should the clownish, comic relief side 
 
Hamil's Joker showed a mixture of this, and got close to the comic joker, but due to tv age appropriation, couldn't get fully explored 
 
but one thing's for sure,they ALL keep me laughing 

#34 Posted by Rapthorn2ndform (35 posts) - - Show Bio

The Animated Joker was the best

I did enjoy Heath Ledger, but i REALLY don't think i'd be nearly as popular if he had lived. Don't get me wrong he was REALLY good, but not as good as everyone says

#35 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

^ Which is why Arkham Asylum Joker is best. That perfect blend of horror and comedy -- rated M for Mature. That interpretation is what I consider to be exemplary because it coalesced all of the best elements of the character throughout the decades.

#36 Posted by 218Comics (191 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dark Knight's Joker and Batman are the pinnacle of what characters should and could be. From my view, there will never be a better Joker.

#37 Posted by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely not. Ledger did well for Nolanverse, but he is not THE Joker.

#38 Posted by Zomwolf (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Ledger did a great job I thought

#39 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I absolutely adored Ledger's Joker performance, that's not the Joker I hear when I read the books.

Hamill's Joker is the one and only for me.

#40 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (12520 posts) - - Show Bio

JOHN DIMAGGIO!!!!!

Sorry guys, but after Heath the only Joker that scares me is Dimaggio, Hamill iso verrated, i mean he and conroy will be nothing without the amazing universe Paul Dinnin and Bruce Timm created for TAS.

People dont rememebr why that cartoon was so good why since then the Batman cartoon have being pretty crappy.

#41 Posted by baron2011 (1155 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

I am still in shok about the fact that people like the Joker just as a plain dumb clown. I like him more like Ledger, Dimaggio, Arkahm Sylum, psycho, clear insane, funny in his own way Joker.

this

#42 Posted by RoyalDivinity (3157 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler said:

Batman's R.I.P Joker was easily my favorite comicbook version (Allstar Batman & Robin coming in second). I dont know if its the the early death or just great acting, but I loved Ledgers Joker. Sad we'll never get to see a follow up.
#43 Posted by hulkbuster94 (646 posts) - - Show Bio

i think ledgers joker is a bit overrated due to his untimely early death do not get me wrong i liked the joker in that film alot but thing that annoyed me was how he had an army of fanboys due to his death i mean if they look for a new joker i would pick johnny depp he could do it especially after alot of his darker films

#44 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18713 posts) - - Show Bio

arkham version is the best

Though in terms of movies, ledgers joker was so awesome that i was shocked from his performance and i have tried to mimic the ledger joker many times

#45 Posted by CheeseSticks (2588 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark is doing the voice only. Ledger is acting and doing the voice. I think Ledger is better !

#46 Posted by Dernman (15732 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Joker is the type of character that can be all those things at different times.

#47 Posted by TDK_1997 (15075 posts) - - Show Bio

In the Killig Joke it was something special,the best Joker.Right after that version is Hamill's portrayal in Batman TAS and right after him is Ledger's Joker.

#48 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#49 Posted by Taye (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@ww_fan: Jack Nicholson's Joker sucked...

#50 Posted by Taye (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: He actually did try to blow up the boats, but then Batman arrived and stopped him..

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