Flashpoint's Joker is a pedophile??? maybe but maybe not.

#1 Edited by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Hello everyone, MY love to you all, 
 
Much has been said about who the Joker is in the Flashpoint time line. Is Bruce Wayne, Martha Wayne or Dr.Hurt?  Well I find that intresting I found another part of the Joker more so.  
That is the Joker being a Killer pedophile. no one not writing the book will know the truth until July 6 but I am willing to bet that it's not the case. 
For those of you who have not seen the page that lead to this in short it shows the Joker standing before a scared little boy and girl suggesting they play family. 
now I can totally see the pedo-overtones in this. however I think it is more likely that Joker is using a play thing for his own twisted purpose.  Like he has done with the joybuzzer ect. 
or the other idea I have is that the writers want us think The Joker is a Pedophila. i don't know. i just think there not enough to say about it. any thoughts?
#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone have a scan of the scene the OP mentioned? 

#3 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123
here you go  
 
 
#4 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:
@InnerVenom123
here you go  
 
...... He's got Ledger hair. Lol.
#5 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123
  
I yes he does but were are the blond root! ha. lol
#6 Posted by JediXMan (31275 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the same thing, but I'm willing to wait and see. I would be rather irritated if this be the case. Toy Man, Mad Hatter... they fit the bill and, when they revealed that they were pedophiles, I was not surprised. But this would really annoy me. It doesn't fit the Joker's MO.

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#7 Posted by MrUnknown (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

What would it make him if he wanted to be the baby?

#8 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan

 
I would be okay with it if the explain it some how like if this Joker is Bruce Waynehe is trying to ruin other people's childhoods. 
but over all just another crime for the most evil in comics. so in ive word Pedo-Joker :Muh
#9 Posted by Pokeysteve (8658 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
I thought the same thing, but I'm willing to wait and see. I would be rather irritated if this be the case. Toy Man, Mad Hatter... they fit the bill and, when they revealed that they were pedophiles, I was not surprised. But this would really annoy me. It doesn't fit the Joker's MO.
"Surprising" Fits the Joker pretty well I think =D
#10 Posted by bigpicnic (45 posts) - - Show Bio

@KenTheProfile: Are they implying the joker is a murderous pedophile? I can't imagine what else they'd expect us to draw from this?

#11 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker's not a pedophile and I doubt the fact that the past was changed would change that.

#12 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown
 
 if you really want to know he be an infantalist ( may not be spelled right). 
 
but to go with your idea maybe that's the point the next issue Batman shows up and the kids are just looking at the grown man in a diper.
#13 Posted by JediXMan (31275 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy said:
Joker's not a pedophile and I doubt the fact that the past was changed would change that.
Some things changed. Batman (Bruce) played a role in making the Joker. Now this version of Batman is very different, so in theory it could happen, but I would not be happy.
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#14 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@bigpicnic
 
 maybe but I am really leaning to it being a false flag. a way to scare the reader for a few months.
#15 Posted by MrUnknown (1628 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile: Well it could be either of the three. Though I doubt mommy XD
I suppose the Joker would be the opposite of whatever Thomas Wayne as Batman represents, so it makes sense he won't be the same because he doesn't need to push Batman into becoming a killer. Even if it is pedophile, it will only last for the mini-series, so it's not a big deal.
#16 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
@iLLituracy said:
Joker's not a pedophile and I doubt the fact that the past was changed would change that.
Some things changed. Batman (Bruce) played a role in making the Joker. Now this version of Batman is very different, so in theory it could happen, but I would not be happy.
Granted, but if we're talking about the same guy becoming the Joker I don't see how he would pick up pedophilia. Theoretically it's possible, but I doubt it. I feel like they just added pedophilia to the list to be edgy and make the Joker a sicker person.
#17 Edited by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy

 
that's the bigger part of the thing. the new book will tell who the joker is in that world.
#18 Posted by JediXMan (31275 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy said:
@JediXMan said:
@iLLituracy said:
Joker's not a pedophile and I doubt the fact that the past was changed would change that.
Some things changed. Batman (Bruce) played a role in making the Joker. Now this version of Batman is very different, so in theory it could happen, but I would not be happy.
Granted, but if we're talking about the same guy becoming the Joker I don't see how he would pick up pedophilia. Theoretically it's possible, but I doubt it. I feel like they just added pedophilia to the list to be edgy and make the Joker a sicker person.
Theoretically, yeah. But I wouldn't be happy with it. 
 
Scarecrow I could see becoming pedophile over Joker, only because of his desire to conjure new ways to cause fear in others.
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#19 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:
@iLLituracy:  that's the bigger part of the thing. the new book will tell who the joker is in that world.
Sounds lame. Glad I didn't pick it up.  
 
@JediXMan said:
@iLLituracy said:
@JediXMan said:
@iLLituracy said:
Joker's not a pedophile and I doubt the fact that the past was changed would change that.
Some things changed. Batman (Bruce) played a role in making the Joker. Now this version of Batman is very different, so in theory it could happen, but I would not be happy.
Granted, but if we're talking about the same guy becoming the Joker I don't see how he would pick up pedophilia. Theoretically it's possible, but I doubt it. I feel like they just added pedophilia to the list to be edgy and make the Joker a sicker person.
Theoretically, yeah. But I wouldn't be happy with it.   Scarecrow I could see becoming pedophile over Joker, only because of his desire to conjure new ways to cause fear in others.
Agreed.
#20 Edited by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not, he's been everything else criminally under the sun. Its not like it would be much of a stretch.

#21 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nova`Prime`
personally more i think about the more it like it Joker so go with it.
#22 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't see what's wrong with it, a lot of people are fans of the character even when he's killing hundreds of people, maybe this will make them understand they're cheering for the bad guy.

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#23 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost
I never said anything waqs wrong with it. Just a little conversation starter, untill the truth comes out.
#24 Posted by JairamGanpat (926 posts) - - Show Bio

The man has done worse, I don't consider the idea impossible at all. Also, didn't he lose his family in Moore's story? Maybe the writers are playing off of that in some way...

#25 Posted by KenTheProfile (402 posts) - - Show Bio
@JairamGanpat
here is the thing this joker is not the same person as nornal Joker. 
it's possible 3 people Bruce Wayne, Martha Wayne or Alfred.
#26 Posted by Sydpart2 (1055 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:
@JairamGanpat: here is the thing this joker is not the same person as nornal Joker. it's possible 3 people Bruce Wayne, Martha Wayne or Alfred.
Bruce seems most likely otherwise it seems like Thomas would have killed whoever the Joker is unless it was one of those three and I think Alfred is a stretch at best. Martha would be arguably as interesting but something just tells me that Bruce would be it. As far as pedophilla goes...this universe might be a different set of circumstances but I've always held that the Joker wouldn't rape someone or commit pedo acts. Not because it's wrong, or to low for him, but because you dehumanize rapists in a different way than you do a murderer. We look at rapists as pathetic and the like, and Joker wants to prove that we're all like him so being looked on as pathetic wouldn't help that. But the idea that this is a different person could leave that open for change.
#27 Posted by Last_Guardian (27985 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't think "pedophile" at all when I read this last panel.  It's just creepy Joker being creepy Joker...

#28 Posted by KRYPTON (1868 posts) - - Show Bio

We'll have to wait and see what happens

#29 Posted by monty19 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it would be a bit rubbish if the writers played the "pedo" card. Am sure the writers are just trying to show the child/playful side of the joker. I don't know if you saw Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, were the Joker and Harley kidnapped Robin (Tim Drake) to created a mini joker. Am sure the writer will chose a similar story like that than say that the Joker is a pedo.

#30 Posted by katanalauncher (934 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker doesn't have any sexuality, he does whatever he think is funny. 
If molesting and raping is funny then he'd do it.

#31 Posted by U R Sofa King We Todd Did (1109 posts) - - Show Bio

to me the only thing that says pedophile is the smile, and that odd pause when talking about mommy. if that smile had been drawn any other way i would think the joker was just bein the same old joker, but with the smile it is creepy as hell.

#32 Posted by Hit_Monkey (993 posts) - - Show Bio

This Joker is not Bruce Wayne, please... Also why couldn't he be a pedophile? A mass murderer, a mass torturer and terrorist but pedo, oh no! That's far too far.  As someone said earlier Joker seems to indulge in any crime as long as it's a horrendous attack on another people. So I don't think raping a couple of kids is much of a stretch.  Is the Joker not meant to be the worst example of humanity? If that's the case, why draw a morality line? At the end of the day Joker is a sick, evil monster with no redeeming quality's at all.

#33 Edited by The Lobster (1507 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hit_Monkey: I'm willing to bet 10 bucks that Joker isn't Bruce Wayne, but Martha Wayne. Think about it, Thomas only mentioned  that Bruce died, not his family. Plus this explains the long hair, and why she's crazy (she lost her son) and explains why Thomas hasn't killed Joker yet (It's his wife).  
 
This is just an educated guess though, but it's one I'm willing to put money on.
#34 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is a mistake to say this Joker is a pedophile. 
 
I think he doesn't care.  I think he would rape children not for sexual pleasure, but for the cruel joke of it. 
 
To be a pedophile is to be attracted to kids.  I think he just wants to hurt people.

#35 Posted by Timandm (3316 posts) - - Show Bio

Well... He IS a criminal....He IS insane...He IS criminally insane...
It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to be a pedophile, but I do hope they do not make him one...  I hope he genuinely means let's play house as in a game...

#36 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio

That is kind of naive. 
 
Fact:  Joker is raping that little girl off camera, unless someone stops him. 
 
The question is whether he's doing do because he's sexually attracted.  I think this is not true.

#37 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34958 posts) - - Show Bio

Its Flash point, it dosnt have to suit his MO

#38 Edited by Hit_Monkey (993 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheJokerha:  
These days Joker seems capable of anything and I like it that way. You come across like you hero worship him a bit mate, hence why when he is written in a way that doesn't agree with your view of 'The Joker' you seem to flip out a bit.  I think in all those previous tales you have quoted it was censorship that prevented him from going to the darkest of places not his moral compass. This is the guy who on his first crime spree poisoned Gotham reservoir. How exactly was he planning to spare the kids on that particular caper?? In fact didn't he beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar? Jason was a teenage boy, is this how joker protects the young? 
#39 Posted by Hit_Monkey (993 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Lobster :  
Yeah I'm with you mate, Martha it is.
#40 Posted by Hit_Monkey (993 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheJokerha:  
No riposte to my post? 
#41 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34958 posts) - - Show Bio

It reminds me of Punisher:MAX with Bullseye trying to recreate Franks origin 

#42 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheJokerha said:
I know he is a mass murdered, but child molestation is different type of evil. It doesn't make sense but it just IS. Even killers hold them in contempt. Dc is not going to do that to him. No need to worry, not going to happen.From a real world. money making aspect.
Dude, unless Bats bursts in within like 5 minutes, I think we can assume it happened. 
 
I mean, aren't we supposed to believe the Joker raped Babara too? 
 
THIS Joker specifically implied he was going to rape that child.  Now why don't you write a nasty letter to the toy company about how raving lunatic mass murderers are okay for toddler toys, but that pedophile mass murderers have taken steps TOO FAR. 
 
This is, of course flashpoint Joker - probably a different character - but, at the end of the day - WHO GIVES A SHIT.  There's a ted bundy action figure in the super friends you give to your toddler... WTF?
#43 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34958 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheJokerha said:
You know, the more I think about it the more impossible and ridiculous this idea is from a practical point of view. Joker is one of their biggest money maker when it comes to marketing tie ins. DC releases a line of hero shoes and Joker is included. The only villain in a bunch of heroes. They are not going to make a pedophile out of one of their most popular characters who sells lunch boxes and tshirts to their younger audiences. I know he is a mass murdered, but child molestation is different type of evil. It doesn't make sense but it just IS. Even killers hold them in contempt. Dc is not going to do that to him. No need to worry, not going to happen.From a real world. money making aspect.
you make me lol
#44 Edited by CaptainObsessive (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't found out who it is yet, I'm waiting for my issue to arrive still but at a guess I'd say Martha Wayne. Its all about Thomas Wayne and his lost son right? Well whereas he struck out as a vigilante, she collapses and becomes Joker in a nice little plot twist. Its what I'd write in. Here's the clue, there don't seem to be sexual undertones, just a father (Thomas), a mother (played presumably by her/him giuven that they'll have "fun" witht eh whole mother aspect feeding into my theory) and the baby, i.e. Bruce Wayne, with the baby being the non-gender specific role when playing house so as to fit into the script without reveling the trump card yet and a way to disguise the true motives, trying to recreate her lost family either to repair herself or wreck it again for fun. Finally, "He'll show up" could either be Batman, or could be a reference to Joe Chill (or this equivilent) who came along and took the baby away, or Thomas Wayne who may even be partially responcible for Bruce's death. Don't know if we all know who it is yet, avoided looking at the comments or spoilers so far, so forgive me if tis all cleared up and it turns out its Killer Croc or something. Hopefully I'll get the issue tommorow (well today, its past midnight). Still, just my ramblings and less than adiquate detective work.
 
Oh and Joker mentions there's three of them, nuclear family is four, so why three? Well Thomas Martha and Bruce. its probably wrog but jokers never been sexual before and the scan just got me thinking.

#45 Posted by Primmaster64 (21073 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope...its Bruce's mom.

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