Does anyone know the origin of the joker?

#1 Posted by PaperDemon (611 posts) - - Show Bio

There is a lot of speculation about the Joker's origins. Does anyone know if there is a specific story as to who he really is?

#2 Posted by Billy Batson (58029 posts) - - Show Bio

That's the whole point of the Joker. Not knowing his origins.
His Killing Joke origin is the most popular among the fans though.
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#3 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, you're really not supposed to know his origin. Some writers express a preference for one origin over another, but there is no correct answer. Honestly, I subscribe to the idea that all of the past versions of his life (outside of falling in the vat of chemicals) are lies.

#4 Posted by SmashBrawler (5736 posts) - - Show Bio

The Killing Joke would be the closest thing. He has no definitive origin though.

#5 Posted by xxxddd (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@PaperDemon: He has none.

#6 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

My guess is Joker had a mother and a father. Joker is probably an american and the usual weird one. The white skin of the Joker maybe comes from cosmetic surgery and the Joker used to be maybe African American.

#7 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

has it.

The Joker's original name, back story etc, is intentionally ambiguous. The character believes that anyone could become like him, as shown in "The Killing Joke".

#8 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7853 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with the origin in The Killing Joke.

#9 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

He had a bad day..

#10 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm...so the story where falls into the chemicals, and is red hood, is that accepted?

#11 Posted by drgnx (3564 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by SupBatz (1735 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman 0 seems to imply that Snyder wants to give Joker a definitive origin in the New 52... Not a fan of the idea. Joker's ambiguous origin is too perfect for his character.

#13 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't sweat it too much at this point . Snyder's shown good instincts for the Bat-verse in both his Detective run and current Batman run.

#14 Posted by Xorion (446 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

He had a bad day..

#15 Posted by Referee (7623 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want to be technical Bob Kane based in on a silent movie "The Man Who Laughs"

#16 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Batman #0. People speculate Snyder is going to give Joker an updated origin for the New 52 and it's hinted in that issue.

#17 Posted by drgnx (3564 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

Batman 0 seems to imply that Snyder wants to give Joker a definitive origin in the New 52... Not a fan of the idea. Joker's ambiguous origin is too perfect for his character.

#18 Posted by PaperDemon (611 posts) - - Show Bio

ok

#19 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

synder is giving joker the origin that he fell in to the chemical waste like the classic tim burton film but hardly any other details about his origin if your concerning the new 52

#20 Posted by Funrush (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

I go with the origin in The Killing Joke.

#21 Posted by Onemoreposter (4052 posts) - - Show Bio

@PaperDemon: Most people are going to tell you to read the Killing Joke. Personally though, I really liked Lovers and Madmen from Batman Confidential.

#22 Posted by tupiaz (2185 posts) - - Show Bio

@ colonyofcells. Why do you think he is African American? I don't get that impression at all.

#23 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10845 posts) - - Show Bio

One day the Joker saw Batman on Tv, then put some make up and say, i am going to fight that guy forever.

#24 Posted by Joygirl (19974 posts) - - Show Bio

His origin was lost in that chemical soup.

#25 Posted by fps_dean (255 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

My guess is Joker had a mother and a father. Joker is probably an american and the usual weird one. The white skin of the Joker maybe comes from cosmetic surgery and the Joker used to be maybe African American.

You mean he wanted to be Michael Jackson? :)

#26 Posted by tupiaz (2185 posts) - - Show Bio

More like MJ wanted to be The Joker. The Joker came way before MJ.

#27 Posted by redhoodnet (153 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that he does not have a definitive origin makes him the Joker. You may take the Killing Joke or you may take it as yet another lie. The Dark Night Movie did this very well. Just because the Joker tells you its the truth means less than nothing. He lies. He makes up stuff. No one will ever know.

#28 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer the mystery. That's his appeal to me. (everyone?)

#29 Edited by SUNMAN (7239 posts) - - Show Bio

he had a really bad prostate exam one day than decided to start a life of crime.....................

#30 Posted by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Most people go with the Killing Joke where he starts off as an everymna. I honestly have to differ, he seems to know alot about the criminal and judical underworld, an every man who just got laid off and got screwed over only like a few times would be that omniscient

#31 Posted by Funrush (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@Glitch_Spawn said:

I prefer the mystery. That's his appeal to me. (everyone?)

Am I the only one who likes the idea of him having a definitive origin?

#32 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Funrush said:

@Glitch_Spawn said:

I prefer the mystery. That's his appeal to me. (everyone?)

Am I the only one who likes the idea of him having a definitive origin?

You could possibly get your wish at some point with Death of the Family.

#33 Posted by Durfee (15 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery said:

has it.

The Joker's original name, back story etc, is intentionally ambiguous. The character believes that anyone could become like him, as shown in "The Killing Joke".

This is what I believe is the general idea. While I'm definitely the type of person that prefers a definitive origin, I think in the Joker's case this treatment is more appropriate for the mythos of batman. I look at in a sociological manner, viewing Joker as a representation of what anyone of us could become when the fears and pressures of modern society push us past the breaking point. Joker's entire MO involves around shattering the people's perception of the world as an orderly place with some kind of meaning by plunging the city into chaos.

That people buy into this false world is the joke, and each one of Joker's crimes is a punchline.

Or something like that. I don't know man, I'm just spitballing.

#34 Posted by cyberchop979 (451 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker probably doesn't even know the origin of The Joker.

#35 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

I always thought that he had something involve with the royal flush gang. Red hood… joker. I looked at black hood to see if there is clue connected with it. You know red and black colors. Due to DC rebooting it is wonder if the joker knew what is going on and he became crazy by it.

#36 Posted by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the idea from Mask of the Phantasm where he is a gangster/hitman before becoming the Joker.

#37 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durfee: I think there's a lot of validity to what you're saying.

People say that Batman and the Joker are opposites and there are aspects of truth in that.

Not because clowns and bats are opposites. The difference between Batman and the Joker is one of trauma. While the Joker's trauma signaled his descent into madness, Batman's trauma was his baptism into a more ordered life (or the Joker would argue a different form of madness.)

#38 Posted by JakeN7 (12509 posts) - - Show Bio

@JoeEddie said:

I like the idea from Mask of the Phantasm where he is a gangster/hitman before becoming the Joker.

This one and Killing Joke's origin are my favorites. I do enjoy the mystery and speculation of it though.

#39 Posted by PaperDemon (611 posts) - - Show Bio

@fps_dean said:

@colonyofcells said:

My guess is Joker had a mother and a father. Joker is probably an american and the usual weird one. The white skin of the Joker maybe comes from cosmetic surgery and the Joker used to be maybe African American.

You mean he wanted to be Michael Jackson? :)

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

#40 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with giving Joker a definitive origin is that you basically say "someone would become the Joker under these conditions" which defeats the purpose of the Joker being truly chaotic because you've set it up so that technically anyone could turn out to be just like the Joker under the exact conditions.

#41 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Joker is just the weirdo uncle of Bruce Wayne : Uncle Phil ?

#42 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18062 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberchop979 said:

The Joker probably doesn't even know the origin of The Joker.

Thats true,he basically says that in the Killing Joke.Which some people swear by to be his origin.But all you can say to that is it might be his origin or it might not be.

#43 Posted by NiKva (94 posts) - - Show Bio

Its laughably boring that he probably wouldn't want to share.

#44 Posted by carcharodon (7 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no confirmed origin of the Joker. Personally, I think its better that way. One of the scary things about criminals is you don't know who they are or why they do what they do. Having a comic book villain with that same characteristic just seems right.

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