I wonder sometimes. He could just act that way because he doesn't won't to go into a real prison, he knows if he acts that way he will just go into Arkham.
What are your thoughts?
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I wonder sometimes. He could just act that way because he doesn't won't to go into a real prison, he knows if he acts that way he will just go into Arkham.
What are your thoughts?
The Joker says:
"Of Course, he's not 'sane' like everyone else, but he's not 'insane,' either. He is 'super-sane' able to place himself objectively in whatever situation with the mindset of taking whatever *role* is most advantageous to his master plans. "
Well said. The Joker's madness is practically a superpower-he can do things other people would simply never think of.
Remember when he tried to patent fish? That's not evil, but it is nutty as a fruitcake.
Supreme Marvel says:
"I wonder sometimes. He could just act that way because he doesn't won't to go into a real prison, he knows if he acts that way he will just go into Arkham.What are your thoughts?"
A very psycological point of view but no I do believe the man is truly insane due to the fact that his actions lack moral restraint of any kind and that he seems to do them more for pleasure than for any other reason his greatest pleasure lies in the chaos he creates not in profit or monotery gain.
Puddin'... I mean, Joker isn't sane. Not at all. Come on, a normal person can't kill a 14 years old kid with a crowbar if he's sane. But ya know... mine...er.. our J hasn't got only razor-cards, Smilex, mortal joy buzzers, and acid-squirt flowers. He has his mind. His mind is his most powerful 'gadget'. So, I don't think that even a high intelligent guy like Joker can ACT insane. It's impossible. Hey... could you be sane if you see yourself in a mirror and find yourself looking at a grinning, green-haired, white-skinned freak?
People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again.
Supreme Marvel says:
"Vance Astro says:"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe."
He doesn't go to jail? Do you need me to post a scan of him in there?
Vance Astro says:
"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."
But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe.
Vance Astro says:
"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe."
He doesn't go to jail? Do you need me to post a scan of him in there?"
he goes to Arkum Asylum
http://www.comicvine.com/arkham-asylum/31682/
insane people go...or apparently insane.
Supreme Marvel says:
"Vance Astro says:"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe."
He doesn't go to jail? Do you need me to post a scan of him in there?"
he goes to Arkum Asylum
http://www.comicvine.com/arkham-asylum/31682/
insane people go...or apparently insane."
same thing.It's incarceration.All Batman's villians go there,although many of them aren't actually Insane.Joker is though.He has green hair and wears a purple suit.He wears it everyday.He goes up against Batman even though Batman has proven time and time again that he can't beat him.The Joker is nuts.
I think he's just that insane because he's obsessed with Batman, and whilst he's around, he'll never be sane.
Vance Astro says:
"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe."
He doesn't go to jail? Do you need me to post a scan of him in there?"
he goes to Arkum Asylum
http://www.comicvine.com/arkham-asylum/31682/
insane people go...or apparently insane."
same thing.It's incarceration.All Batman's villians go there,although many of them aren't actually Insane.Joker is though.He has green hair and wears a purple suit.He wears it everyday.He goes up against Batman even though Batman has proven time and time again that he can't beat him.The Joker is nuts.
"
actually an insane asylum is different, follow different rules than a jail. Get needles everyday.
And most of his enemies are insane par Penguin. who's just rich and power mad.
Supreme Marvel says:
"Vance Astro says:"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"Supreme Marvel says:"Vance Astro says:"People who aren't insane don't pretend to be. Unless they are trying to stay out of trouble..like pleading insanity to get outta jail.Nobody acts insane to go to jail...time and time again."But that's the thing, he doesn't got to jail...he acts insane to stay out maybe."
He doesn't go to jail? Do you need me to post a scan of him in there?"
he goes to Arkum Asylum
http://www.comicvine.com/arkham-asylum/31682/
insane people go...or apparently insane."
same thing.It's incarceration.All Batman's villians go there,although many of them aren't actually Insane.Joker is though.He has green hair and wears a purple suit.He wears it everyday.He goes up against Batman even though Batman has proven time and time again that he can't beat him.The Joker is nuts.
"
actually an insane asylum is different, follow different rules than a jail. Get needles everyday.
And most of his enemies are insane par Penguin. who's just rich and power mad."
It's incarceration either way.
I agree with you Joker now how and want to be sane but as long as bats alive he will always be crazy in fact he's been sane four times.
once when he thought he killed Batman in a death trap and again when Batman put him in a Lazarus Pits after being shot and the Martian Manhunter rewires the Joker's brain to create momentary sanity and he was rendered sane by a nuclear war that deprives all super beings of their powers.
"Um, someone who gets power by patenting fish?:) Hey, you asked.How is Joker NOT insane?!
What supervillain in their right mind would try to patent fish?! lol
"
Of course the Joker's crazy, but then again is there someone realy "sane".
I think he's just a "little" bit crazier than the rest of us, thans to his "bad day" (if you read the Killin' Joke you sure know wat i'm talking about)
He's very sane, just imoral & an apathetic anarchistic atheist with high intelligence & a heavy dose of sadomasochism. He has to be sadistic because he said murder is better than sex, he has to be masochistic because he really really seems to enjoy & expects to be thoughrouly pummled, then he laughs & smiles as he's dragged back to Arkham. That's not insanity, that's fetish.
& it looks like he's on trial for this very subject once again. Batman seems pretty confident of his sanity. I think Batman might be the one that's actually crazy. But my personal deffinition for crazy is "Sees things & hears voices that tells one to do things" like Nny from JtHM.
"Hardly. The inmates are separated from others, making Joker's life more protected than it would be in a normal prison. In "The Devil's Advocate" (which is, I believe the only time he has been sent to a normal prison) a beefed up fellow death row inmate tries to beat the shit out of him or maybe even kill him. In Arkham, the inmates are just cooky and pretty much fear Joker. None of them would try to kill him. Charaxes, Croc and Zsasz are exceptions, but they try to kill pretty much anyone and lack a sense of self-preservation.Lord Shazam says:
"I wonder sometimes. He could just act that way because he doesn't won't to go into a real prison, he knows if he acts that way he will just go into Arkham.What are your thoughts?"I think he is, because Arkham is a h*llhole compared to a normal prison.
"
Hello, I am new here and I couldn't resist replying to this post. To answer the OP, it can be helpful to define "sane" and "insane."
In the real world, insanity means different things depending on the context. Legal insanity is generally about the ability to tell the difference from right and wrong or the ability to understand the consequences of his actions or something like that. By this definition, in the real world, the Joker would not be insane. He knows what he does is illegal, hurtful, and "wrong," but does it anyway.
In clinical use, "insanity" is not really used any more, but he could be diagnosed with some things, like delusions of grandeur, psychopathy, antisocial personality disorder, narcissism, sadism (although I think this is used more in fetishistic terms), obsessive compulsive disorder or even the very lame histrionic or borderline personality disorders, or some other stuff I can't think of right now. I don't think he is psychotic, because he is not "out of touch" with reality.. the furthest he goes is delusional.. but he doesn't hallucinate or hear voices or anything like that.
In the real world, it is perfectly possible to have mental illness and be aware of it, unless you are psychotic. The term for this is "insight." I think the Joker doesn't know if he is insane, only because I don't think it would be consistent with his character to have bothered with gaining "insight." He doesn't know because he doesn't care.
We can speculate how "insanity" is defined in the DC universe. Judging from the population of Arkham Assylum, "insanity" might simply be the desire to obtain what is not possible without the expense of human life. Really though, "insanity" might also just be poorly defined in DC, and the question of "is the Joker insane" is ultimately unanswerable for readers unless you want to rely on the opinions of respectable characters in the comic. In the Devil's Advocate story, Joker seemed confident that he could prove insanity by smashing his own face on to a table. Assuming the Joker is smart (I assume it), and that in most situations he would have been right about how easy it is to "prove" insanity, the term "insanity" is sloppily defined in the DC universe at best. You're insane if you just hurt yourself? That is kinda weak.
I think according to the DC universe, he is insane, because that is pretty much how "reliable" judgements of his character have judged him (except for the case of supersanity) by doctors, Batman, and peers. Unfortunately, "sane" and "insane" were not defined for the readers of the DC universe, so we can't be really sure how these people have come to this conclusion.
Furthermore, blahblah blah blah blah ok im done. heehee!
He's insane in the sense he is beyond normal psychopaths, will never feel remorse for what he does, has no rules, and won't stop acting like a savage as long as Bats is still around.
Although not insane in the sense he's unaware of right and wrong, and the consequences of his atrocious actions. He's well aware what he does is wrong yet he still acts as a Savage.
Read Arkham Asylum graphic novel. The guy is a psychopath with super-insanity at his core. But he is awesome nontheless.
We're all a little insane, deep down inside. I'm probably crazier than all of you combined. Now where's my trophy? There'd better be Steak-ums in it!
Anyone who doesn't believe that Joker is insane is bordering on delusional or is heavily misinformed. It took Martian Manhunter a huge effort to buy the JLA somewhere from 10-15 SECONDS to psychically induce sanity in him to save the universe or something. If what I hear about MM's psychic powers are true, then having HIM strain to make Joker "sane" is solid, irrefutable proof to me that Joker is indeed crackers. Here's the proof too.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane1.png
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane2.png
"Anyone who doesn't believe that Joker is insane is bordering on delusional or is heavily misinformed. It took Martian Manhunter a huge effort to buy the JLA somewhere from 10-15 SECONDS to psychically induce sanity in him to save the universe or something. If what I hear about MM's psychic powers are true, then having HIM strain to make Joker "sane" is solid, irrefutable proof to me that Joker is indeed crackers. Here's the proof too.Well, I'm delusional or heavily misinformed then. I don't back any comic involving blue or red superman, the late 90s were a drag on the Big Two. Joker portrays himself as insane to make others think he is insane. There's a "method to his madness". Everything is meticulously planned out. He is a genius, and under-rated in his intelligence. Almost in the same vein as a criminal will use the insanity plee to abuse the legal system.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane1.png
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane2.png"
"Ultimate Magneto said:http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9506/223644-105001-joker.jpg"Anyone who doesn't believe that Joker is insane is bordering on delusional or is heavily misinformed. It took Martian Manhunter a huge effort to buy the JLA somewhere from 10-15 SECONDS to psychically induce sanity in him to save the universe or something. If what I hear about MM's psychic powers are true, then having HIM strain to make Joker "sane" is solid, irrefutable proof to me that Joker is indeed crackers. Here's the proof too.Well, I'm delusional or heavily misinformed then. I don't back any comic involving blue or red superman, the late 90s were a drag on the Big Two. Joker portrays himself as insane to make others think he is insane. There's a "method to his madness". Everything is meticulously planned out. He is a genius, and under-rated in his intelligence. Almost in the same vein as a criminal will use the insanity plee to abuse the legal system."
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane1.png
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/Jacksquat2/Jokersinsane2.png"
The Man who Laughs is the only Joker story I haven't read. People that are insane don't have grand schemes. Go to your local city and find the skid row area and it will all make sense.
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