Can the Joker have romantic feelings or a sexual orientation?

#1 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, he loves Batman becuase well he is to much fun.

But does this guy feels any romantic things?

Not for Harley for anything, i mean he is pretty much demisexual, still i dont see him feeling romantic love.

A demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often (but not always) in a romantic relationship. The term demisexual comes from the orientation being "halfway between" sexual and asexual. Nevertheless, this term does not mean that demisexuals have an incomplete or half-sexuality, nor does it mean that sexual attraction without emotional connection is required for a complete sexuality. In general, demisexuals are not sexually attracted to anyone of any gender; however, when a demisexual is emotionally connected to (usually in love with but sometimes feel strongly as friends) someone else, the demisexual experiences sexual attraction and desire, but only towards the specific partner or partners.

Also Rape isnt about sex, is about violence, for the same is easy to explain why The Joker can rape people, becuase, well he enjoys pain and violence, so it makes sense that he rapes, but id dont think he enjoys sex.

#2 Posted by cracker_jack (220 posts) - - Show Bio

I always figured Joker got a chubbie while killing. The fact that he doesn't feel anything for Harley (the love of my imaginary life) is more proof how sick he is.

#3 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000: I think he does have sexual feeling. he is a sexual sadist. I think he loves Harley as much as someone like Joker can love. in fact sexuality may be the only ture human thing he has left. to me what makes Joker scary is that he has pangs of normal human feelings but keeps being Joker anyways. it's scarier then a plain pyschopath, they don't have a choice to make they just act the way they do because of brain chemistry. Joker choose on some level to be the Joker.

#4 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@KenTheProfile said:

@DeathpooltheT1000: I think he does have sexual feeling. he is a sexual sadist. I think he loves Harley as much as someone like Joker can love. in fact sexuality may be the only ture human thing he has left. to me what makes Joker scary is that he has pangs of normal human feelings but keeps being Joker anyways. it's scarier then a plain pyschopath, they don't have a choice to make they just act the way they do because of brain chemistry. Joker choose on some level to be the Joker.

That is called a Sociopath.

Psychopathy vs. sociopathy

Hare writes that the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy may "reflect the user's views on the origins and determinates of the disorder." The term sociopathy may be preferred by sociologists that see the causes as due to social factors. The term psychopathy may be preferred by psychologists who see the causes as due to a combination of psychological, genetic, and environmental factors.

David T. Lykken proposes psychopathy and sociopathy as two distinct kinds of antisocial personality disorder. He believes psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, he claims sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. Both personality disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.

Psychopath is a force of nature.

Sociopath is a force of society.

#5 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000: yes thank, I already know about the diffrencers between the two paths. however I always understood that the joker was not one or the other. he's like hannible lector, he fits no know profile or diagnosis

however i feel that Sociopath is made and psychopath is born is a much quicker way of understanding the idea.

#6 Posted by Joygirl (18482 posts) - - Show Bio

The world may never know. DC has done a great job keeping a 72 year old character a complete mystery to absolutely everyone. Does he love Harley? Maybe. Does he love Batman? Assuredly... maybe. In a sexual way? Maybe. Who knows? He's Joker. He's the quintessential force of absolute madness. He's been portrayed as sexually naive, or a crossdresser who slaps Batman's ass.

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#7 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl: @KenTheProfile: The Joker is to damn sane for his own good, also he is Chaos and one thing about chaos is that is fair.

#8 Posted by Edamame (27948 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, the Joker is clearly a psychopath/sociopath, and psychopaths/sociopaths are usually emotionally cold and often like to use people until they are "sucked dry". Then, they just throw those abused people away. The Joker is incapable of loving, and he uses Harley Quinn.

The Joker "loves" Batman because, as a nihilist, the Joker doesn't see the purpose or meaning to Batman's self-righteousness. He basically finds Batman amusing for being so serious, and he is fascinated by Batman's personality.

#9 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edamame said:

Well, the Joker is clearly a psychopath/sociopath, and psychopaths/sociopaths are usually emotionally cold and often like to use people until they are "sucked dry". Then, they just throw those abused people away. The Joker is incapable of loving, and he uses Harley Quinn.

The Joker "loves" Batman because, as a nihilist, the Joker doesn't see the purpose or meaning to Batman's self-righteousness. He basically finds Batman amusing for being so serious, and he is fascinated by Batman's personality.

I am sure he isnt emotionally cold.

Also as hard as it could be, i am not sure tht the Joker is a Sociopath.

#10 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000: He can always have romantic sessions with his hand and some lotion or a crusty sock

#11 Posted by kashif1 (40 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the joker, he can but he doesn't have to/

#12 Posted by Edamame (27948 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

I am sure he isnt emotionally cold.

How so?

I think he is. The Joker seems to be incapable of loving, which is true for many sociopaths/psychopaths. I am referring to true love, by the way. A sociopath's love would probably be more akin to pretense, deception or abuse.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said

Also as hard as it could be, i am not sure tht the Joker is a Sociopath.

How so?

According to my understanding, the only main difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is that psychopaths are born while sociopaths are conditioned. Other than that, both sociopathy and psychopathy fall under Antisocial Personality Disorder.

The Joker is also a nihilist, a sadist and somewhat of a narcissist, but it seems that sadism is a part of sociopathy.

#13 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edamame: How so, the fact people belive The Joker created a relationship with Batman, he haves feeling for Batman and you notice that he belives that Batman makes some sense, if he was a nihilist he wouldnt go against Batman, he would try to kill Superman or other, Batman is the only thing that the Joker belives that matters, he belives in personal morality, thats why he attacks morality, i know that the world have no sense and all that thing, is the new popular thing for kids today, but that dont means it apply to every character.

Also the Joker decides to be the Joker, Pyshopaths and Sociopath dont decide it, that why Heath Ledger Joker uses make up, The Joker decides to be the Joker, he is what he wants to be, like Batman, they are what they want to be the rest of the world, is what the world let them be, their morality isnt real, because isnt a personal morality, is what the world told them morality is, their morality changed in what the world decide is opular and moral, not what is the right and wrong thing.

#14 Edited by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio

@kashif1 said:

He's the joker, he can but he doesn't have to/

This. And whatever he finds funny, he'll do it.

In "Harley Quinn" he does confess to Harley he has feelings for her. I don't t think he really had a reason to lie (he was trying to kill her, after all).

#15 Posted by batman11223 (83 posts) - - Show Bio

The joker is a manipulator and will do anything to get his way. All he wants is to create chaos and cause pain and agony, thats all he wants and thats what makes him so interesting and different. thats what people like; a villian that isnt like the rest. He is the worst kind of serial killer there is. I dont believe he really does have feelings and emotions for others; which is true of many real life serial killers. And if he did have feelings for lets say Harley Quinn, i dont beleive he would be as popular as he is today. Plus it is not directly indicated to the readers that he has these inner feelings. So if these feelings are true to him, i think it would ruin his whole character.

#16 Posted by JokerFanHAhaHA (15 posts) - - Show Bio

In my most humble opinion, Jokers sexual orientation really depends on the time of day. Or if he's bored enough.

He's shown evidence in different places in media from comics to video games to be heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, and even autosexual (finds attraction only to himself)

He loves Batman in the sense that one might love a game they can't quite win yet, or a puzzle thats JUST a level above yours. Joker challenges Batman,Batman challenges Joker. There's a reason there's so many Joker/Batman stories, and thats because if anyone is close to those two, it's each other.

#17 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an odd question, which I'll personally answer by saying " yes, in a natural physical space ". Whether any writer chooses to remove him from that equation (noting how convoluted a character Joker can be do to this, and how most people choose to relate him as an enigma as a result). Often a person tries to tell me they " don't feel emotions/don't have emotions " just to use an example for the logic I'm running with. Sorry, but that's part of the being human deal people, the biological end, as much as being born with feet, having a heartbeat and breathing are. If the Joker is human than he has emotions, period. How he chooses to display them or try to display them is another matter. Or how inhuman the writer makes him.

#18 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@JokerFanHAhaHA: @CATPANEXE: Still many people cant feel romantic love or other emotions for some reason, also there is asexual people in the world, this people dont car about sex.

All people have feelings, still that dont means all people have the same ones.

Also i feel he loves Batmans as a friend, you know heterosexual life partners.

#19 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say, certainly.

The Joker suffers from some mental illness of some sort, perhaps a criminal insanity, but I think he's still a fully formed human being that can experience all of the feelings that someone else can feel, albeit filtered through his own twisted perceptions.

#20 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery said:

I'd say, certainly.

The Joker suffers from some mental illness of some sort, perhaps a criminal insanity, but I think he's still a fully formed human being that can experience all of the feelings that someone else can feel, albeit filtered through his own twisted perceptions.

His mental illness, being just plain evil!!!

I am not sure that people with mental illness are fully formed humans.

I will to put that idea in a more complete way.

I dont belive humans are fully formed, thats why there is laws and people haves to get better with time.

#21 Posted by Edamame (27948 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think that the Joker is mentally ill. He simply has personality disorders.

#22 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

Time to bring this one back

#23 Posted by Loki9876 (2993 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think he loves in that kinda way.

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