can any do justice to heath ledgers joker

#1 Posted by grimreaper1980 (619 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't think so

#2 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Jack Nicholson was better

#3 Posted by JackAs (412 posts) - - Show Bio

 Morgan Freeman.

#4 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

That's like asking if anyone could do justice to Raul Julia's Bison. 
 
Another actor will eventually have another take on the character, and may very well be just as celebrated for their performance.

#5 Posted by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark Hamill was better. He only did voices, but he did it for over 10 years without pissong me off once. As for Ledger, I bitched about him for a solid year.

#6 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@likalaruku said:
" Mark Hamill was better. He only did voices, but he did it for over 10 years without pissong me off once. As for Ledger, I b@tched about him for a solid year. "
Of course Hamill is the Joker. I too b@tched (just clean up the language ;-))about Ledger I did not care for his portrayal at all. But I loved Jack's live performance (sorta bias since he is my favorite actor)
#7 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @likalaruku said:
" Mark Hamill was better. He only did voices, but he did it for over 10 years without pissong me off once. As for Ledger, I b@tched about him for a solid year. "
Of course Hamill is the Joker. I too b@tched (just clean up the language ;-))about Ledger I did not care for his portrayal at all. But I loved Jack's live performance (sorta bias since he is my favorite actor) "

When it comes to movies, I'd prefur not to give any credit to the actors at all. If they look good, it's because of the costume designer & makeup artist, if their portrayal is accurate, it's becaus eof the direction, if they sound like thir acting doesn;t suck, it's because of the script. An actor is little more than a glorified marionette.
#9 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#10 Posted by Silver Knight75 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Crispin Glover has some potential.
#11 Posted by jloneblackheart (5531 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Jack Nicholson was better "
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#12 Posted by DEGRAAF (7896 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly believe that Johnny Depp could play an amazing Joker, Im not saying it would be better than Heath Ledgers take on the character but i think it would come close to the same villain, since Joker was done so amazingly by Heath i really want Johnny to play the riddler, i think that would be the next best character for him to play out of the Batman Rogue gallery.
#13 Posted by Marshall Madness (248 posts) - - Show Bio

Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker was a talented and interesting take on the character. However, it was not REALLY the Joker that we all have known. Nicholson's portrayal was much closer to the original essence of the character. Both were worthy adaptations and great performances, but to think no other actor could take on the role or "do it justice', just because the two previous incarnations were so well done is ridiculous. 

#14 Posted by slap_nuts (99 posts) - - Show Bio
@Marshall Madness:
@Marshall Madness:
Agreed.. Heath Ledger was an interesting take and not a bad rendition, but others could do it justice if not better.  
#15 Edited by CylonDorado (1867 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe if they reboot the franchise again, because if they change his attitude and personality at all, people will be like, WTF? Also, I think they're worried that the comics Joker would come across as a bit... gay in live action (think about it). Which is an explanation for why I think Jack Nicholson's performance was closer, but more like the Joker on prozac.
#16 Edited by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. Goddamn 100% yes. This is an iconic character open to interpretations. No one OD'ing at a young age will get the role frozen forever.


Ledger's ghost will hang over the role for years, but I can guarantee you there are people who can top his performance. Or could if they were given the chance. The problem is people won't let you surpass a dead man.


I know people will hate me for saying this, but could you start giving the "RIP HEATH" messages a rest? It reeks of hypocrism and idolizing a dead celebrity. The man was lucky enough to be a film star, leaving behind a loving family. I'm not saying I'm happy he died, but his death shouldn't affect the work he performed. I highly doubt the man himself would even like this worshipping.


The role of Joker is a "loan", just like James Bond or Santa Claus. No one gets to own them and never will.

#17 Edited by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio

@likalaruku said:

When it comes to movies, I'd prefur not to give any credit to the actors at all. If they look good, it's because of the costume designer & makeup artist, if their portrayal is accurate, it's becaus eof the direction, if they sound like thir acting doesn;t suck, it's because of the script. An actor is little more than a glorified marionette.

Think so? Imagine Steven Seagal doing the role. Who could possibly be more of a marionette? Except Keanu Reeves, perhaps.

#18 Posted by IrishX (2421 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
"Jack Nicholson was better "

Agreed.
#19 Edited by Yung ANcient One (4851 posts) - - Show Bio
@IrishX said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

"Jack Nicholson was better "
Agreed. "
He was better as in being Whacky evil Joker... but HEalth was better at being the New Joker all the new fans love... and i think Johnny depp can do justice... if he were to be the Joker 
#20 Posted by eserrano05 (138 posts) - - Show Bio

in the end in depends on which director/creative team you like better tim burton did a great job at making a creepy yet goofy atomsphere that nobody else was able to recreate so it had to be rebooted and taken in a different direction more gritty and dark both performances reflect the style of film 

#21 Posted by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio
@Yung ANcient One said:
" @IrishX said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

"Jack Nicholson was better "
Agreed. "
He was better as in being Whacky evil Joker... but HEalth was better at being the New Joker all the new fans love... and i think Johnny depp can do justice... if he were to be the Joker  "
I pray Johnny Depp will stay away from Batman movies. I see his ubiquitous shower fresh mug enough - namely in his blood brother's self-replicating adult fairy tales.
#22 Posted by bingbangboom (746 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they can, I mean it is just a role and people have done it before. I really think that the Joker was to play a part in the third movie and he will not be in it.

#23 Posted by Silver Knight75 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

Crispin Glover

#24 Posted by Staticoss (144 posts) - - Show Bio
@JackAs:
i hope that is a joke
#25 Posted by Rob.H (51 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Jack Nicholson was better "
I absolutely agree with this.   
 
In fact, I'd love to see Tim Burton put out another Batman flick.
#26 Posted by grimreaper1980 (619 posts) - - Show Bio

okay, have you guys even seen the dark knight, if you think that jack nickolson is better, than you obviously haven't. but the crispin glover idea sounds interesting, i don't know about johnny depp though, unless he was gonna play the mad hatter, lol

#27 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

Heath was awesome. but there will be another. and he may be even better.
 
but Pesonally I liked Cesar Romero's Joker. and Hamill is the the Joker.

#28 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy who played Joker for a cut scene on the Birds of Prey television series.

#29 Posted by Mokey (188 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark Hamill could outperform Heath's Joker in his sleep.

#30 Posted by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" The guy who played Joker for a cut scene on the Birds of Prey television series. "
I believe that was Mark Hamill himself.
#31 Posted by RiddleMeThis (42 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

"I honestly believe that Johnny Depp could play an amazing Joker, Im not saying it would be better than Heath Ledgers take on the character but i think it would come close to the same villain, since Joker was done so amazingly by Heath i really want Johnny to play the riddler, i think that would be the next best character for him to play out of the Batman Rogue gallery. "


 

I WILL hang myself if Johnny depp so much as contemplates the idea of being in ANY batman film! 
Also, I get that heath ledgers preformance as the joker was different, but i wan't a little more... crazy funny, not crazy dark/depressing... 
I mean, what happenned to the guy who kills a few people, has a laugh and gets sent off to arkham? 
Maybe the whole "I fell into a vat of chemicals now i'm crazy as heck" doesn't wash with Nolan...
#32 Posted by The Dave (142 posts) - - Show Bio
@likalaruku said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" @likalaruku said:
" Mark Hamill was better. He only did voices, but he did it for over 10 years without pissong me off once. As for Ledger, I b@tched about him for a solid year. "
Of course Hamill is the Joker. I too b@tched (just clean up the language ;-))about Ledger I did not care for his portrayal at all. But I loved Jack's live performance (sorta bias since he is my favorite actor) "
When it comes to movies, I'd prefur not to give any credit to the actors at all. If they look good, it's because of the costume designer & makeup artist, if their portrayal is accurate, it's becaus eof the direction, if they sound like thir acting doesn;t suck, it's because of the script. An actor is little more than a glorified marionette. "
This is true.. its liked blaming Arnie for Batman & Robin when it was the writers/casters/directors fault.. Arnie just did the work he was asked to
#33 Posted by The Dave (142 posts) - - Show Bio
@Croaker said:
"

@likalaruku said:

When it comes to movies, I'd prefur not to give any credit to the actors at all. If they look good, it's because of the costume designer & makeup artist, if their portrayal is accurate, it's becaus eof the direction, if they sound like thir acting doesn;t suck, it's because of the script. An actor is little more than a glorified marionette.

Think so? Imagine Steven Seagal doing the role. Who could possibly be more of a marionette? Except Keanu Reeves, perhaps.

"
Actually that's the point.. Steven Seagal would be terrible, but it wouldn't be his fault because the studio was stupid enough to give him the job in the first place.
#34 Posted by RiceFox (153 posts) - - Show Bio

That wasn't the Joker... That was just some guy.
 
Above average movie, the end.

#35 Posted by mistahpyramidhead (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Johnny Depp? But, really, nobody can replace Ledger :[

#36 Posted by Daredevilwithoutfear (90 posts) - - Show Bio
@Rob.H said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Jack Nicholson was better "
I absolutely agree with this.     In fact, I'd love to see Tim Burton put out another Batman flick. "
I Agree with you on saying Jack Nicholson was better not that Im not saying Heath did not do a good Job he did and Yes I do like Heath Ledger but come on I really did not feel the essence of Mr J with Heath at all With Jack Nicholson I do, With Mark Hamill voicing him I do even with Cesar Romero I do but in all Honesty when I watch Nolan's take on the Joker he feels just like some Guy with messy Make up  and a terrorist just causing Chaos.. Yes the Joker is does Chaos but I did not feel the Mr J signature to it at all.. 

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