Why Does DC Hate John Stewart? And Why Won't They Put Him In JL?

#201 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711: I guess you've never heard of an unreliable narrator. Obviously the future writers will ignore Johns' pathetic attempt to pigeonhole them.

#202 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711 said:

Just read GL #20. John Steward may as well have kept his ring finger up his ass, while Hal Jordan raises the dead, literally to save the day. Hal turns death itself, Nekron, into his bitch, while John Stewart gives play by play commentary of Hal's awesomeness. In the end it admits John Stewart is more know for his work as a U.S. Senator than his time in the GL Corp. So, to some things up, John Stewart not only is not up to par with Hal Jordan, he isnt even up to par with Joe Biden. Any one that "hates" John Stewart hates him for being a boring shadow of the man that Hal Jordan is. Boo-Hoo, deal with it. Hal Jordon is Frank Sinatra, John Stewart is Carlton Banks.

That just sounds straight up racist

#203 Posted by Captain13 (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

In terms of views and posts, this thread has exceeded my expectations.

#204 Posted by Superdork (917 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: There's a lot of blatant racism on the internet. It's pretty depressing.

#205 Edited by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio
#206 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: There's a lot of blatant racism on the internet. It's pretty depressing.

now dont go getting all depressed over Rich711. he's just a troll

#207 Posted by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just happy he is going to finally headline his own title. Hopefully John Stewart's Golden Age is upon us. I wouldn't be surprised if DC editorial deliberately sabotages the book though.

He is?

#208 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@superdork said:

I'm just happy he is going to finally headline his own title. Hopefully John Stewart's Golden Age is upon us. I wouldn't be surprised if DC editorial deliberately sabotages the book though.

He is?

Green Lantern Corps will star John as of issue 21

#209 Posted by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines said:

@superdork said:

I'm just happy he is going to finally headline his own title. Hopefully John Stewart's Golden Age is upon us. I wouldn't be surprised if DC editorial deliberately sabotages the book though.

He is?

Green Lantern Corps will star John as of issue 21

NICE!!!

#210 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's see if with this new phase in the life of John, the fans stop complaining, because it's the only thing I see them doing...

#211 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

People tend to see racism where there is none .. because they only see what they want.

#212 Posted by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio
#213 Edited by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711: I guess you've never heard of an unreliable narrator. Obviously the future writers will ignore Johns' pathetic attempt to pigeonhole them.

HA! Yeah, by future writers I assume you mean your personal John Stewart erotic fan-fiction. Because that is the only place where people will be re-conning Geoff Johns' GL run to make John Stewart's participation for the last 10 years of storylines look less useless. Clearly, your imagination is a far more reliable narrator than Geoff Johns. It's a comic book, it's been written, he was useless. No one hates him they just see that he clearly sucks as a GL for the last 10 years.

#214 Edited by Captain13 (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines: June 12th, the same week as Superman: Unchained, Batman: The Zero Year, and the release of Man of Steel, so start saving your money! The only way it could be more perfect is if Wonder Woman were also released that week, lol

#215 Edited by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil said:

That just sounds straight up racist

Typical answer from a John Stewart fanboy. Yeah, John Stewart's character sucks compared to Hal and the only possible explanation is racism.

#216 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines: June 12th, the same week as Superman: Unchained, Batman: The Zero Year, and the release of Man of Steel, so start saving your money! The only way it could be more perfect is if Wonder Woman were also released that week, lol

I can't wait!!!!

#217 Edited by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain13 said:

@novi_homines: June 12th, the same week as Superman: Unchained, Batman: The Zero Year, and the release of Man of Steel, so start saving your money! The only way it could be more perfect is if Wonder Woman were also released that week, lol

I can't wait!!!!

THIS!

#218 Edited by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

I have an interesting story regarding this topic. This is a 100% true story by the way.

Earlier today I was at a friends house playing smash bros. brawl with alot of my friends. Who were all white on this occasion. We started talking about everything from the Xbox One, to Lord of The Rings. And eventually we started talking about comic book movies. The Green Lantern movie came up, and everyone agreed that it was a disappointment. My friends don't follow comics, so they said something I found interesting. They said (and i'm being completely honest here), that not having the proper black green lantern is the reason why the film failed. They didn't even realize that there was also white green lantern. I corrected them that there is indeed a white green lantern. Some had memories jogged, and remembered that there were other Green Lanterns. But they all still harped on how they should've went with the most famous one. I must admit, I was surprised by those statements. Simply because these statements are not commonplace within the comic book community. But since they don't follow comics, how else are they even supposed to know/ remember that Hal Jordan even exists? Especially back then before the film released. This brings me to my next point.

I thought about this and realized as far as the general audience is concerned, John Stewart at that time, and in some ways in the present, is the most popular green lantern. It was one of the most popular animated tv shows on tv at the time. And John Stewart playing one of the lead roles, its not really a surprise. 5 seasons, with extremely high ratings simply outshines Hal Jordan at that time. An argument could probably, and most likely, be made that the total viewers of the entire show (where John was front and center), surpasses the total amounts of Hal Jordan centric comic books during that same time span. Making John have a higher level of exposure to more people, thus being more popular at the time. I would like to see these numbers in comparison.

#219 Posted by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

The only possible way that the John Stewart character can be redeemed from the wallowing swamp of boring comic book characters is if DC decides Ryan Renolds soiled the image of Hal Jordan so badly that they cast Idris Elba as Green Lantern in the Justice League movie in hopes of repairing the damage that horrible Green Lantern movie did to the possibility of a Green Lantern movie franchise.

#220 Edited by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711 said:

The only possible way that the John Stewart character can be redeemed from the wallowing swamp of boring comic book characters is if DC decides Ryan Renolds soiled the image of Hal Jordan so badly that they cast Idris Elba as Green Lantern in the Justice League movie in hopes of repairing the damage that horrible Green Lantern movie did to the possibility of a Green Lantern movie franchise.

Why do you consistently post in this thread? You're not a fan, and you've clearly proved that you dislike the character. Why put so much effort into hating something?

#222 Posted by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711 said:

@novi_homines: You sure do love to use the word hate inappropriately. If you intended this to be the "John Stewart Dick Riders" thread you should have named it such. If you don't like what I am saying ignore it instead of whining about it. But then again your whole argument about JS not being in JL is one big whine.

3. Dick Rider
A dick rider is a person who is usually and overzealous mindless fan of anyone. A dick rider see's no flaw in whatever they are dick riding at the time, and if you happen to offer an opinion or simply not like whatever a dick rider likes, the dick rider will consider your a "hater" for offering your opinion.

If you think i'm going to give you the time of day, you are sadly mistaken.

#223 Edited by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio
@novi_homines said:

If you think i'm going to give you the time of day, you are sadly mistaken.

HA!! ...um, you just did. Okay, "Novus Homo" I will leave you alone since you clearly are not very bright.

#224 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711 said:

@jnr6lil said:

That just sounds straight up racist

Typical answer from a John Stewart fanboy. Yeah, John Stewart's character sucks compared to Hal and the only possible explanation is racism.

People tend to see racism where there is none .. because they only see what they want.

You just ignore dthe fact that Rich just called John, Carlton Banks.

#225 Edited by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio
#226 Edited by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21: So what logic is there in calling Hal Jordan Frank Sinatra & John Stewart Carlton Banks. It would make sense if you called, Hal-Will & John-Carlton to show their difference in popularity but calling John, Carlton is just racist because the only similiarities they have is that they're black.

#227 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: This is racist, because they do different things and the only similarity is the color of skin? If by chance he had called John by any name of a stereotypical character ( in a racist point view ) like the characters of HBO series OZ,would be racism...

#228 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

hes boring.

Kyle Rayner is the most appealing GL

#229 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: This is racist, because they do different things and the only similarity is the color of skin? If by chance he had called John by any name of a stereotypical character ( in a racist point view ) like the characters of HBO series OZ,would be racism...

Yes. It's like walking up to a random black person on the street and calling them Lil Wayne, See how that could come off as offensive?

And Carlton Banks is an Uncle Tom character.

#230 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: Not for me (I'm black), you know why? Because these are small things, if these people do not scold me and not beat me,why I would listen to such people? I just ignore it because to listen to these people, you will give them moral and inflate their egos, just because they like to angry people.

I don't know what Uncle Tom is....

To be happy, you have to ignore a lot of things in this life.

#231 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

i never believe it when people on the net say they are black it just seems like a way of justifying an uncommon point of view. No offense to, Matches

#232 Edited by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

@outlawrenegade: I understood what you meant, but I just said by saying and already passed racist situations before, but I chose to ignore them. It is good for my health.

#233 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21: Doesn't change the fact its racist, and doesn't mean I'm angry.

#234 Edited by Mercy_ (92257 posts) - - Show Bio

@rich711 said:
@novi_homines said:

If you think i'm going to give you the time of day, you are sadly mistaken.

HA!! ...um, you just did. Okay, "Novus Homo" I will leave you alone since you clearly are not very bright.

I'm not sure what makes you think that this is an appropriate rebuttal to anything. It's not.

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#235 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: For God's sakes. I don't care about to what he says and think, if you care about ..bad for you. By some chance I said are you angry or something? not,I said that's what he wants, pay attention to what is written.

#236 Edited by Saren (25241 posts) - - Show Bio

@speedlgt said:

hes boring.

Kyle Rayner is the most appealing GL

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#237 Edited by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@mercy_ said:

@rich711 said:
@novi_homines said:

If you think i'm going to give you the time of day, you are sadly mistaken.

HA!! ...um, you just did. Okay, "Novus Homo" I will leave you alone since you clearly are not very bright.

I'm not sure what makes you think that this is an appropriate rebuttal to anything. It's not.

Yes it is, you just don't know what we are talking about. He has incorrectly used the Latin term for "new man" as his screen name. He is using the plural form which would imply that he is all of the plebeian members of the ancient roman senate as a collective, which makes no sense. He correctly would be called "Novus Homo". So, tace atque abi, Mercy. Qualem muleirculam!

#238 Edited by Rich711 (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@outlawrenegade said:

i never believe it when people on the net say they are black it just seems like a way of justifying an uncommon point of view. No offense to, Matches

That is so racist. Now the whole net needs to prove just how "black" they are too you? As a biracial person that has dealt with your kind my whole life, I resent that. I guess we all have to pledge our love to a boring character like John Stewart for you to consider us "black enough". Well I say, no, to you and all the other sad John Stewart fans that think just because he is black that all black readers should love his boring ass and that anyone who doesn't must be haters and racists. John Stewart is boring and you, sir, are a bigot.

#239 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

straight trollin, lol

#240 Edited by novi_homines (1330 posts) - - Show Bio

If only I can get my own name right. Oh wait...

Anyway, I saw this earlier and thought it would be fitting here. Some lines truly made me laugh.

#241 Posted by sinestro_GL (3030 posts) - - Show Bio

So what if he's not in the JL now? There aren't any GLs on either team as yet...since they were trying to save the universe from Volthoom, and all. So if there aren't any GLs on the roster, I won't be too annoyed as I love the GLC as a team as well.

...as for the movie, it would have been disrespectful if Hal hadn't starred in the first GL movie, or if he won't be in the JL movie.

#242 Edited by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl: It was fine when John was on the cartoon and Hal was not. It was totally 'respectful' and it made everything simpler and easier to understand. He didn't have to drag the backstory of another character with him. Bruce Timm let him stand on his own and created a cartoon that still airs every Saturday morning. It still influences thousands of people around the world. And it is one of the most highly acclaimed series ever.

More reasons for why John makes more sense in the Justice League movie can be found here:

http://www.comicvine.com/justice-league-of-america/4060-31815/forums/what-should-the-justice-league-film-costumes-look--1463850/#70

#243 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl: It was fine when John was on the cartoon and Hal was not. It was totally 'respectful' and it made everything simpler and easier to understand.

I suppose it would depend on who you were. Of course it was fine for certain people (newbies and John's fans. but i could understand how Hal's fans would feel differently.

He didn't have to drag the backstory of another character with him. Bruce Timm let him stand on his own and created a cartoon that still airs every Saturday morning. It still influences thousands of people around the world. And it is one of the most highly acclaimed series ever.

More reasons for why John makes more sense in the Justice League movie can be found here:

http://www.comicvine.com/justice-league-of-america/4060-31815/forums/what-should-the-justice-league-film-costumes-look--1463850/#70

No arguement here

#244 Posted by sinestro_GL (3030 posts) - - Show Bio

@outlawrenegade: I'm not sure how the inclusion of John over Hal made things "simpler and easier" to understand. You're also missing my point, I didn't say anything bad about the quality of the animated television show - only that I think Jordan should be the principal GL in media outside of comics.

Even if you take a look within the comic-book reading community, GL titles during the time Hal was dead sold moderately at best, with some titles actually struggling. I'm not saying that the quality of the books were bad, mind you.

#245 Edited by The_Greatest_Green_Lantern (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl: He just said that John can be used without introducing Hal. Using John after Hal adds a lot of backstory that doesn't need to be there if John is the main GL. Also, you're fogetting that Hal Jordan had several series cancelled and couldn't sell before Kyle Rayner, which is why DC had no problem getting rid of him and trying something new with the franchise. In fact, Hal was only used in back-up stories for quite some time. Hal only sold because Geoff did something new with the mythology. Hal is not that popular.

http://www.comicvine.com/hal-jordan/4005-11202/forums/hal-jordan-love-him-or-hate-him-1462016/#14

In your poll, only 45% of the respondents like Hal. And that was just the people who visit his forum and are supposed to be fans, lol.

He's definitely no Batman or Superman in the comics. He doesn't boost sales on a book, which is why he only has one title. Outside of comics, he's not very popular due to many being more familiar with John and after his live action flop .

#246 Edited by Farkam (4683 posts) - - Show Bio


I don't think DC hates John Stewart.

i never believe it when people on the net say they are black it just seems like a way of justifying an uncommon point of view. No offense to, Matches

Agreed.

#247 Edited by sinestro_GL (3030 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_greatest_green_lantern: Even if that's not what he's saying, and you're right, THAT WAS NOT THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO TRYING TO MAKE. If I could TRIPLE underline that sentence, I would.

You're forgetting that around the time that Hal was 'killed', DC was struggling to sell comics. It's no coincidence that Superman died, Batman had his back broken and Hal went psycho all around the same time. DC wanted to sell titles, and so created these stories meant to 'shock' the community. The fact is that the GL books without Hal didn't do what DC wanted, and that's a reason why Hal was brought back. This new thing that DC was trying, as you said, didn't do well - and that's a fact. You mentioned that Hal had several series cancelled...wanna hear about how the other lanterns did?

And statistically speaking, the poll I created shows that the most popular attitude towards Hal is that they 'love' him.

As a final point, let me make it clear that I am a big fan of all of the Earth lanterns (apart from Simon - because I don't really know the guy, but hopefully he'll be in some great stories). I like all of them almost equally (with me obviously leaning more towards Hal).

#248 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8266 posts) - - Show Bio

90% of people who commented here only speak of it because Cartoon hardly because of comics and still call themselves fans? How many people actually knew of his existence before the cartoon?

@the_greatest_green_lantern:John can be more ''popular'' than Hal Jordan,but he also isn't Batman or Superman in the comics either and people tend to forget that Hal has been receiving much attention from medias these last years, even that horrible movie directed by Martin Campbell helped his popularity, not to mention his appearances in animations and many direct dvd market animated movies, some of them critically acclaimed and until now has presence even in games, making it a little more known among the public and calling the attention of those who didn't know him before. After all people are curious and when you have interest in a character who does not know, will seek information about it. Put John as the main character in Green Lanter wouldn't boost sales either,despite his popularity.

If John Stewart is so popular,why his forum his pratically dead?? Why this thread isn't in his forum?? To get attention.

#249 Edited by Brcomicbookguy (22 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the reason he's not in the JL is because Hal's cocky attitude makes for a better read when he clashes with batman Wonder Woman aquaman etc. I couldn't see Stewart doing that. With Stewart batman Barry Allan and superman on the same team they would work well together and could make for boring reading. Maybe if wally west came back. Also I think he's too smart for the jla. I can't see John fighting Hal after joining the jla but maybe with baz being new to both he will.

#250 Edited by GLJS (5 posts) - - Show Bio

DC hates John Stewart because they resent the popularity that he got from appearing on Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. It's really that simple. I used to not like to believe that, even while he was being buried for so long, even if it looked that way. I still tried to think the best of them, but after hearing about the plans to kill John, I certainly no longer thought they were above that level of pettiness.

The sad truth (for them) is that John has more name recognition than any other Green Lantern and has had the most positive cultural impact of the Lanterns. People like Geoff Johns do not like it that general people think of the black Green Lantern more fondly than Hal Jordan, as attested to the huge backlash the GL movie received when its trailer was shown. They have tried to push Hal Jordan in other forms of media but he flops every time. His movie is an embarrassing disaster and his cartoon is being cancelled after one season.

The smart, plain as day business move for DC would have been to put all the effort and resources spent on resurrecting Hal Jordan into making John Stewart the prominent Green Lantern of the DCU. The highly acclaimed Justice League cartoon already paved the way for them. That would have given DC a well accepted minority character with a very powerful, attractive leading role. Hal Jordan is antiquated, whereas John Stewart is modern and what general people (potential new fans) know. Unfortunately, DC's *cough*Geoff Johns'* fanboyism got in the way of that, even though it was the painfully obvious course to take.

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