Jezebel Jet Forum

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why automatically associate the name Jezebel with the worst connotations?

i mean, take a look at the history of the name and you'll find out that Jezebel is the name of a queen of ancient Israel. Her story is told in 1st and 2nd Kings. She is introduced as a Phoenician princess, the daughter of King Ithobaal I of Sidon, who marries King Ahab. She turns Ahab away from the God of the Israelites and of the Jews (being the inhabitants of Judah in this context) and toward the worship of Phoenician god, Baal. Ahab and Jezebel let temples of Baal operate in Israel, and the pagan religion receives royal patronage.

From a biblical and Christian point of view, a comparison to Jezebel would suggest that a person would be a pagan or an apostate masquerading as a servant of God, who by manipulation and/or seduction misleads the saints of God into sins of idolatry and sexual immorality, making them ineffective. From a Christian point of view, It has also been used to refer to those who challenge evidence and belief in God.

there are many different views, so just grabbing onto one of the many attributes of a name doesn't seem productive in the least to me, i'll wait and see what the character is like myself before deciding my views on her, labeling her under a stereotype just because of a name just seems stupid

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Jezebel was the enemy of God and his children in the Bible and her death was prophecied, The term used as a moniker for black slave woman and what not is new tome but not surprising.

I see no redeeming qualities for the name and personally don't think Bruce deserves her, jacked up name and all.

Also you have to understand who is writing the bulk of the stories editing them and who they are catering to. if this character jezebel offends you you're probably not the target audience. And if the name doesn't offend you maybe you don't see the significance and symbolism the character,name and juxtaposition therein pose or door three you don't care because you are the target audience.

here comes the hate mail.

Don't get me wrong. I like Jezebel. I just don't like her name. That's all...

But Sling, you brought up the fact that Jezebel's death was prophesied in the Bible. Maybe that means something regarding the character in Batman's life. Maybe she will die later on in this current run. Who knows?

In popular culture it is used to denote a loose woman. maybe the connotation will change, but as it were I am not thrilled about the first black girlfriend Bats has having the name.

When Selena is the name they give his White girlfriend#204

Sling Shot says:

"In popular culture it is used to denote a loose woman. maybe the connotation will change, but as it were I am not thrilled about the first black girlfriend Bats has having the name.

DC is the only company I know that would do that... Knowing this, I shouldn't even let this surprise me, but it does, anyway.

Sling Shot says:

When Selena is the name they give his White girlfriend#204"

What's the connotation behind Selena?
Post Edited:2008-05-16 02:29:26

I don't know your age or how long you been collecting comics, but this is old hat bro.

I been reading comics for 21 years. I am 28. This kind of subversive imagery has been in comics as long as I've read them( and other media as well) and claims to get better but at it's root it stays essentially the same. These issues go much further back than comics and wil lmaintain IMO until something drastically different happens. So be aware of it catalogue it but don't let it poison you.

Frederick Douglas said once he learned to read and was educated to plight of the people around him he would of have rather been as dumb as a beast of the field. It is an old poison but you (we) can beat it. Simply call it out if you suspect, with no malice but with a forthright attitude. Use your voice to educate others. You will be shunned and rejected but every now and again someone will see what you see and see it's wrong and the effects of it.

"what happened?"

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why automatically associate the name Jezebel with the worst connotations?