Why so much hate for Jean Grey?

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#1 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

As I go through all those forums i realized how many people just hate Jean, and I do not understand why. 
I have always loved Jean. I know writers had made her look sometimes helpless, which annoyed me so much. I mean she is so powerfull! How come Magneto is such a big deal whn he only can control metal, she can control any object.  
It also hate how people love Emma. Its not that i hate her, shes okay, but she just annoys the hell out of me. Yes i know you dont care about anyone just yourself ... oh no wait you do care .. borring! Everybody loves her with Scott. But Jean has been through so much more with him, and noone seems to care anymore.  
 Damn i sound depressing .. so anyway why do you hate her? Or if you like leave some love!
#2 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

there just jelous of how awesome she is
#3 Posted by IrishX (2464 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc said:
" How come Magneto is such a big deal whn he only can control metal "

Magneto does more than just controlling metal. Also, alot of why he is a big deal would be his character and personality is one of the most interesting in comics. 
 
I'm not sure that Jean is hated or why she would be. Guess I hadn't noticed. She's the original lady of the X-Men and will always have a special place among them.
#4 Posted by Icon (2107 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc said:
" As I go through all those forums i realized how many people just hate Jean, and I do not understand why."
Cause some people are stupid?  
 
@Thor's hammmer said:
" there just jelous of how awesome she is "
Ah, that must be it. x]
#5 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio

I really love Jean, she is an amazing character. I don't really care about the bad stuff people say about her, since they do it to make themselves feel better, and because it isn't true :]

#6 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  oh come on, that's complete bull and you know it. Even if you like her, people can have perfectly valid reasons to hate her.
#7 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Like what? Her being killed off by writers a lot? Not a good reason.
#8 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  People can find her personality annoying, her stories not their personal tastes or any number of perfectly legitimate reasons. Again you are free to like her as is your right, but people not liking her are no less right then you.
#9 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: I hope you do know that Jean has been in pretty much most of the best x-stories in history. After she died pretty much a lot of the big stories have been about Cable, Hope, and X-Force. 
#10 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not a fan, but I wouldn't say I hate her. I just find her to be an extremely boring character. 

#11 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  Which is entirely subjective and even if I conceded that to me she was present in some of the best x-men stories ever still doesn't invalidate the fact that it's perfectly legitimate for people not to like her. It's perfectly valid not to like something, even if one can concede that it's not necessarily a bad thing.
#12 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Is there a reason your using big words like invalidate or legitimate, or do you normally talk like that? Just wondering lol
#13 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin said:
" I'm not a fan, but I wouldn't say I hate her. I just find her to be an extremely boring character.  "
#14 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  my usual vocabulary. I tend to oscillate between slang and more elaborate vocabulary naturally :)
#15 Posted by Agent9149 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc: i dont hate her... i just dont like her  sometiems
#16 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Nice touch :P
#17 Posted by Captain13 (3516 posts) - - Show Bio
@mr.obvious said:
" @Green Skin said:
" I'm not a fan, but I wouldn't say I hate her. I just find her to be an extremely boring character.  "
"
#18 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  thanks.
#19 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh man no fights, i hate that.... we all are comic geeks ,lets just love each other!  ....   
And Jean borring? She killed plenty of species, how much more exciting can it get?
#20 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc: who's fighting? I was just having a related conversation with xxCellPhoneGirlxx nothing more.
#21 Posted by elevatorparty (103 posts) - - Show Bio

I will freely admit that I hate Jean. I don't like her at all. Its controversial i know but here are my reasons.  
In full power (with the full phoenix force) then she is too powerful to need a team. She can do anything and therefore i dont worry about her winning or loosing- she is always going to win unless the writer wants to sacrifi 
 
ce her to make a story seem epic. There are only like five characters more powerful then her.  
When she is in a relationship with scott (my favourite character) then it is too straight forward. Where is the excitment in two characters who are just that in love. Their relationship defined scott for years as the guy other then wolverine that jean liked.  At least with emma the audience doesnt know if it will last for long.
Jean is a hero.  
Jean is such a hero that she sacrificed herself to save the world.  
Thats cool.  
That's respectable.  
But why bring her back? She sacrificed herself and thats awesome but as soon as writers bring her back then her sacrifice is belittled. Do it a couple of times and the sacrifice seems like little more than a plot point. 
 
Dark phoenix is evil right? I mean thats what everyone says... but all i have ever seen was her destroy some planet/sun that no one heard of or cared about. Who gives a crap? If Mars exploded tommorow who would care? We have nothing invested in it. Oh no she killed a billion people - but then she comes to earth and she ... turns trees into gold. and throws people around. Oh she's very bad.  
Wait hold on. She's not even that bad. Please tell me something that she has done that makes her a threat? Other then blow up planets no one knew about?  
 
In conclusion, people can like jean because she is the little mutant that couldnt save the day but then realised she is a god. But i just find her boring. THe x-men thrive on characters who cause conflict - whether its Gambit acting suspiciously, Wolverine acting like a loner, Rogue with her dark past and dangerous powers, new members like Magneto and Namor with mysterious goals or even scott who acts like boyscout and who makes decisions that cost mutants their lives. Jean was just a straight forward character with almost no personality aside from the adjective "lovely".  
 
I like my x-men complicated and I think Jean was just too straight forward. Even with her dark side.  
 
Emma frost may be a biotch! and people may never trust her but that just makes me want to keep reading to find out if she ever deserves her place on the x-men.

#22 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

hahaha i like you, your funny
#23 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio
@agent9149:
sailor moon icon! sweeeet
#24 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc said:
" Oh man no fights, i hate that.... we all are comic geeks ,lets just love each other!  ....   And Jean borring? She killed plenty of species, how much more exciting can it get? "
Jean is very very boring.  She has virtually no personality and is little more than a walking powerset.
#25 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Still love her!  And Scott, yes he is so complex! Running to her like always, did not expect that :P
 

 
#26 Posted by riri4life (7189 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc:
It's okay. You are not alone! Death to Emma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
#27 Posted by J.C. (600 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont like her, my dislike started in the 90's cartoon LOL Dont like her in the comics, movies, video games and 90's cartoon, X-Men Evolution was cool, and Wolverine & the X-Men barely showed her. 

#28 Posted by Edamame (28391 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
" @Crom-Cruach: Is there a reason your using big words like invalidate or legitimate, or do you normally talk like that? Just wondering lol "
LOL.  Crom-Cruach is the Architect from the Matrix film series.
#29 Posted by Jake Fury (19167 posts) - - Show Bio

She and I are quite happy together in the White Hot Room, she's satisfied and not planning on returning anytime.
#30 Posted by Edamame (28391 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury said:
" She and I are quite happy together in the White Hot Room, she's satisfied and not planning on returning anytime. "
Well, I am going to try to contact her and let her know that everyone else is waiting for her return. 
LOL
#31 Posted by amc26 (222 posts) - - Show Bio

I never had a problem with Jean, I just didn't really like how she was portrayed in the X men movies.  
 
@mario_nblc said:

  I also hate how people love Emma. Its not that i hate her, shes okay, but she just annoys the hell out of me. 
#32 Posted by papad1992 (6833 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean has the power of a G-D but when she joins back up with the X-Men (when she's not dead!) she's treated like a little girl that needs to be monitored 24/7! Maybe thats why she always dies... to see if the X-Men lose their care-giving trait... which means she should arrive soon!

#33 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18858 posts) - - Show Bio
@mario_nblc said:
"  It also hate how people love Emma. Its not that i hate her, shes okay, but she just annoys the hell out of me. 
Is there something wrong with me since i love both Jean and Emma? lol 
#34 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

haha I think you are the only one that has it wright

#35 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8901 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
" @Crom-Cruach: Is there a reason your using big words like invalidate or legitimate, or do you normally talk like that? Just wondering lol "
LOL.  Crom-Cruach is the Architect from the Matrix film series. "
lol!
#36 Posted by kaami4 (115 posts) - - Show Bio

coz Emma's better

#37 Posted by PhoenixHell (124 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame: ok Phoenix of the White Throne is here. Maybe he or i can get a message to jeannie
#38 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1505 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with her is that she's largely defined as being the girl in a love triangle, and that's never a good trait if that's one of the first things people think of when they think your character.

#39 Edited by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  Because she never stays dead.  I'm no fan of any character that has died and came back to life.  If you're going to kill someone off then don't even bring them back, it's anti-climatic and oh so very idiotic.  It destroys the whole point of killing off the character in the first place.

#40 Edited by N7_Normandy (2430 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:

" @Crom-Cruach: I hope you do know that Jean has been in pretty much most of the best x-stories in history. After she died pretty much a lot of the big stories have been about Cable, Hope, and X-Force.  "


nothing wrong with x-force in my opinion.  It's my favorite book.

 
I am hoping for her return soon though.

#41 Posted by JCJQLB (2817 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Grey is the most exiting and the coolest character in the X-men comics

#42 Posted by ILuvMsMarvel (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I don't hate her. But then I have a thing for characters with red hair.

#43 Posted by Grendel (560 posts) - - Show Bio

Because fanboys control the sales and that's why Deadpool and Wolverine (who aren't awful characters just overexposed) are in anything X nowadays. So instead of Jean Grey they prefer this:
 

                
#44 Posted by Edamame (28391 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grendel: lol
#45 Posted by Grendel (560 posts) - - Show Bio

I bet Greg Land directed that video.

#46 Posted by Edamame (28391 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grendel: Bad boy, Stryfe. Don't hurt Cable's wife, Aliya.
#47 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone half naked is hot.
#48 Posted by krisis (160 posts) - - Show Bio
@elevatorparty said:
"She can do anything and therefore i dont worry about her winning or loosing- she is always going to win unless the writer wants to sacrifice her to make a story seem epic.  ...   I like my x-men complicated and I think Jean was just too straight forward. Even with her dark side.    
I'm a lover of Jean, but right there you hit the two points that make every narrative of her difficult - which, in turn, makes people hate her.
 
First, having been down the all-powerful-phoenix road at least twice now, it's hard to write Jean as effective contributer to a team without putting some artificial constraint on her power. They had one chance to reset things for good when they brought her back in X-Factor, but over time the writers couldn't resist bringing the Phoenix force back to the equation. Effectively, she's written as if her powers have no limits. Because of that she has to have barriers installed, or she's afraid of what will happen, or she switches powers with someone else - she only works as a teammate with these artificial limitations attached to her. 
 
Second, as a character Jean was always intended to be a simple "good girl." That worked really well when she was young, shy, and not in control of her powers. It doesn't work with her as the strongest TK user on the planet and married to the team captain. As much as I love her, I have to admit - there was no point after she rejoined the main X-team that she had any kind of consistent personality. 
 
(Intriguingly, they have put Wanda in this same place - any intrigue in her character has been washed out, so now she's just over-powered and nice. It's a deadly combo.) 
 
Is there a way to bring Jean back and make her work? I think it could be done. I think Scott needs to stay with Emma, and I think Jean can't be posed as weak or helpless. The writers need to give Jean a new journey that informs the scale of her powers, much as they have with Rogue. She gained fine control at the expense of being an invulnerable tank, and now we have to worry about her - she's vulnerable, vulnerable enough that her personality and intelligence have meaning again.
 
They need to find the equivalent for Jean.
#49 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate Jean Kujo cause he's a ripoff of Jin Kazama!!!! Hehehehe! 
 
Personally I don't like Jean cause she's got no umph! At least compared to Emma, she's so damn boring.

#50 Posted by Prince of Saiyans (2072 posts) - - Show Bio

some people just carry substantial grudges against fictional characters lol

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