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    Character » Jean Grey appears in 8006 issues.

    Jean Grey was one of the five original X-Men. An omega-level mutant telepath and powerful telekinetic, Jean has gained near limitless powers as a recurrent host of the Phoenix Force. She is known for her return from death and as the wife of Cyclops.

    Why does she keep getting killed off?

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    #1  Edited By blogblaster9

    She has died so many times its already dull but does it keep happening?
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    #2  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

    Because she sucks...

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    Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now.
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    #4  Edited By JCJQLB
    I think she is always dead because the writers can't handle the complex of the character and the problems that Jean brings to the team. Because of that they don't know what to do to her... so she's dead!
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    #5  Edited By MrRagePants

    And she should remain DEAD! Her character is beyond help.

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    She's become a plot device. (Phoenix Endsong.)

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    #7  Edited By Jotham

    It's a tradition.

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    #8  Edited By time1

    It's cause they have no respect for her. I mean characters like beast, and angel get more respect.  There is always hope for jean.

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    she only dies when they make her too powerful (see the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men) she never dies when she doesn't have any Phoenix powers
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    #10  Edited By Treason

    its her mutant power just like wolverine mutant power is too be in many teams

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    #11  Edited By mario_nblc
    @Phoenix of the Black Throne:
    smart! love it!
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    #12  Edited By John_Feaster
    @Jake Fury said:
    "Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "

       Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed... 
     
       None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers? 
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    #13  Edited By Green Skin

    It's because she's boring.

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    #14  Edited By jordama

    She has become to powerful. Powerful characters become boring and disliked. I think everyone remember sentry.  
    Character gets to powerful and suddenly there is no point in having a team at all, the one character can do it alone.
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    #15  Edited By agent9149

    because of the phoenix and because the phoenix is a nut job and doesn't know what to do with itself....

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    #16  Edited By IrishX

    Let's keep this real simple. 
     
    The Phoenix represents death and rebirth. It only makes sense that she would die and come back.

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    #17  Edited By John_Feaster
    @IrishX said:
    "Let's keep this real simple.  The Phoenix represents death and rebirth. It only makes sense that she would die and come back. "

       Yes, but Jean Grey need not always be the Phoenix.
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    #18  Edited By Hunter114

    Well the original phoenix saga had Jean becoming too powerful, when that happens, something had to be done, so they made her a villain (as Dark Phoenix) - The problem came after she repressed the phoenix, they couldn't just throw that part of her away, so they had to bring it out every now and then. This gave the character some credibility and got the attention (and money) of the reader, but they couldn't just keep doing the same thing over and over again, so they killed her, then they brought her back for ratings etc, but then they had to bring the phoenix back again, so it became a perpetual cycle of dying and coming back - for which they give the excuse that that's what a phoenix does.
     
    But I think that she is currently dead(?) and there would be no point in bringing her back because the plot devices have now been transfered to Rachel Gray (Miss Marvel) who is a host to the Phoenix Force and Hope Summers, who managed to display some Phoenix-esque powers of her own.

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    #19  Edited By Michiel76

    Well i agree, she dies because thats what a phoenix is all about, die and rise from the ashes reborn.
     
    But also she has/had this love triangle between 2 major X-characters, wolverine and cyclops. So i think they use her as a tool to shake them up and screw with their heads.

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    #20  Edited By Silver Knight75

    I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now?

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    @Silver Knight75 said:
    " I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
    she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence.. 
     
    she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before..
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    #22  Edited By Aqua11500
    @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Silver Knight75 said:
    " I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
    she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence..   she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before.. "
    No basically she's dead.
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    @Aqua11500 said:
    " @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Silver Knight75 said:
    " I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
    she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence..   she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before.. "
    No basically she's dead. "
    yes.. in the physical sense.. but she exist in the White Hot Room.. so she still exist only in a higher plane incomprehensible to mortal minds.. 
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    #24  Edited By babywix

    Well, to be honest, I don't see anything defining about her personality and that makes her boring. The thing that's probably defining about her character, though, is because of her Phoenix powers. I'd prefer she'd just stay dead. I know that's not what a phoenix is all about, but she should just stay dead.

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    #25  Edited By moviegeek17

    i get the feeling its an inside joke in marvel now.

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    #26  Edited By psyrax2k11

    Jean Grey does not suck and she's not boring, it's not her fault that certain writers, write her the way they do; blame them.  Jean needs someone to write her well and one that knows how to write her character.  What makes someone like Emma Frost better?  The main reason why I believe that so many favor Emma is because of how she looks and acts.  Now, I don't hate her in anyway, but in my opinion, I just feel she lacks certain character, I just feel she's always written the same; sure she went from being one of the X-mens most deadly villains, to fighting right along side with them, and I think that's great, but she's still shadowed in the aspect of who she was and is written as such in that sense.  When I see Emma, I look beyond the blonde hair, beyond her bust, her dress, I see her as a tragic hero;someone who just needs to have a good story to better put her on the map then where she is.  With Jean, it's usually like this:  She's Jean Grey, she's fighting as an 'X-Man', she becomes Phoenix, she dies, repeat process.  I think Jean can be Phoenix, and not have death hovering over her always, just waiting.  Jean can have stories that are not always Phoenix related, it's just that writers for some reason can't see beyond her Phoenix aspect; it's like they see a 'dead end sign' and that's it.  Jean is never beyond hope or repair, no character is.  She just needs to be in the hands of a writer that can write her as Jean Grey as Phoenix without going down the uberpower route which leads to her eventual (and unsurprising) death.     
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    #27  Edited By daredevil21134
    @psyrax2k11 said:
    "Jean Grey does not suck and she's not boring, it's not her fault that certain writers, write her the way they do; blame them.  Jean needs someone to write her well and one that knows how to write her character.  What makes someone like Emma Frost better?  The main reason why I believe that so many favor Emma is because of how she looks and acts.  Now, I don't hate her in anyway, but in my opinion, I just feel she lacks certain character, I just feel she's always written the same; sure she went from being one of the X-mens most deadly villains, to fighting right along side with them, and I think that's great, but she's still shadowed in the aspect of who she was and is written as such in that sense.  When I see Emma, I look beyond the blonde hair, her bust, her dress, I see her as a tragic hero, she just needs to have a good story that to me should put her better on the map then where she is.  With Jean, it's usually like this:  She's Jean Grey, she's fighting as an 'X-Man', she becomes Phoenix, she dies, repeat process.  I think Jean can be Phoenix, and not have death hovering over her always, just waiting.  Jean can have stories that are not always Phoenix related, it's just that writers for some reason can't see beyond her Phoenix aspect; it's like they see a 'dead end sign' and that's it.  Jean is never beyond hope or repair, no character is.  She just needs to be in the hands of a writer that can write her as Jean Grey as Phoenix without going down the uberpower route which leads to her eventual (and unsurprising) death.      "

    well said
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    #28  Edited By psyrax2k11
    @daredevil21134: 
     
    Thank you. much appreciated.
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    #29  Edited By Shadow_Thief

    Because it's one of the choices that pop up on the magic 8 ball when the writers run out of ideas. Others include "reinvent Wolverine's origins," "Xavier regains/loses ability to walk," "retcon someone in some way that connects them to Mystique," and "clone somebody."

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    #30  Edited By King Quisling

    Because if she isn't the Phoenix she's just kind of boring.

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    #31  Edited By TheCrowbar

    She's actually Kenny.

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    #32  Edited By EmmaGrace

    I truly do hope there is still hope for Jean....
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    #33  Edited By Gambit1024

    I think Jean deserves a chance at life, lol. If she didn't have the Phoenix Force they should at least try to develop her character a little bit. Just give the Phoenix Force to somebody else. 

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    #34  Edited By TheCrowbar

    I don't know why she can't be part of the Annihilators if she's so powerful, that series needs a female powerhouse.

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    #35  Edited By jakeeboi17

    In my opinion, she should just stay dead now. It's boring, it's been done. She should stay dead, and be forgotten about... Forever.

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    #36  Edited By Shadowdoggy
    @jakeeboi17:
    agreed!
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    #37  Edited By psyrax2k11
    @jakeeboi17: 
     
    Well that's never going to happen. 
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    #38  Edited By mewmdude77
    @John_Feaster said:
    " @Jake Fury said:
    "Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "
       Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed...     None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers?  "
    Don't forget the rule where Spider-Man isn't supposed to have anything go right in his life and he has to suffer through life and watch his love ones go away or die. Why does Marvel hate Peter so much??
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    #39  Edited By EnSabahNurX

    I just want her back with her TK and telepathy make her powerful but keep it within reason like haver her telepathy be prof X level and boost her TK and if they want throw in some pyrokinesis just as a nod to the phoenix but remove the phoenix and lock it away in the white hot room 
     
    They can even have her team up with the phoenix force for the occasional mission But I dont mind that shes died a lot because she has a similar issue that psylocke has with the body swapping plot and her deaths, they just need to reintroduce her and have her go on a solo journey(a miniseries) dealing with everything thats happened to her family and her life, then make her character more independent 
     
    I'd love to see her join x-force XD and have a small fling with logan, then move on, the writers on X-force can probably fix her character and make her more likable again

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    #40  Edited By TheCrowbar
    @mewmdude77 said:

    " @John_Feaster said:

    " @Jake Fury said:
    "Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "
       Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed...     None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers?  "
    Don't forget the rule where Spider-Man isn't supposed to have anything go right in his life and he has to suffer through life and watch his love ones go away or die. Why does Marvel hate Peter so much?? "

     It's cause he's black.
     It's cause he's black.
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    #41  Edited By mewmdude77
    @TheCrowbar: Nice that was hilarious!!!
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    #42  Edited By ChuckSass

    you say shes a shitty character, but you probably are all Emma fans. As we speak, the well written Emma is becoming the next Jean. When Jean comes back, shes gonna tear shit up. she's single, she'll have to adjust to everything, theres a story right there, and she might have some sort of depression and resentment.


    eitherway, Jean like most X-Men comics, were great until 2003
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    #43  Edited By shadow death

    i think its because shes too powerful  so it basically limits the over all x-men

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    #44  Edited By abeyance

    they just make jean the primary villain for the xmen. i mean she has a phoenix entity or mutant evolutionary power that makes her like demi god status. She has been with the Xmen and seen the atrocities committed by humans and mutants alike. She could easily just say 75% of all life on earth should be wiped out and let the other 25% repopulate the earth and stress that her actions were because humanity as a whole failed to evolve on a moral stand point...whatever right.

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    #45  Edited By Mercy_
    @ChuckSass The thing is that Emma hasn't been well written since Fraction started on Uncanny.
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    #46  Edited By Zaber

    It amazes to keep her alive because she is still fighting and not giving up on her life. She may able to stop the Phoenix by herself, return back to her life. She might able to reach the Death by making the deal with the Death. This could be good story!

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    @Jake Fury said:
    Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now.
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    #48  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

    Because she's a God Mode Sue and a cancer to good storytelling.

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    #49  Edited By fodigg
    She's got too much baggage at this point. As many people would cheer her return would hate it. And you already have so many other characters covering the same bases she used to. Emma is Scott's love interest, the cuckoos cover the "we need crazy telepaths we can kill off," Rachael Summers is the new Marvel Girl/"Phoenix," and Hope has the messiah/ultimate power thing going on. 
     
    I'm not saying that rebooting her in a way that makes her good is impossible, I'm just saying it's not necessary and the return is probably not worth the effort/risk/outrage.
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    #50  Edited By Mercy_

    She needs a reboot in the worst way. I don't recall coming across a (Marvel) character who needs to be rebooted more than Jean Grey does.

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