Why does she keep getting killed off?

  • 59 results
  • 1
  • 2
#1 Posted by blogblaster9 (76 posts) - - Show Bio

She has died so many times its already dull but does it keep happening?
#2 Posted by Vance Astro (90726 posts) - - Show Bio

Because she sucks...

Moderator
#3 Posted by Jake Fury (17922 posts) - - Show Bio

Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now.
#4 Posted by JCJQLB (2817 posts) - - Show Bio
I think she is always dead because the writers can't handle the complex of the character and the problems that Jean brings to the team. Because of that they don't know what to do to her... so she's dead!
#5 Posted by MrRagePants (843 posts) - - Show Bio

And she should remain DEAD! Her character is beyond help.

#6 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

She's become a plot device. (Phoenix Endsong.)

#7 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a tradition.

#8 Posted by time (4576 posts) - - Show Bio

It's cause they have no respect for her. I mean characters like beast, and angel get more respect.  There is always hope for jean.

#9 Posted by The_Greatest_Username (126 posts) - - Show Bio

she only dies when they make her too powerful (see the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men) she never dies when she doesn't have any Phoenix powers
#10 Posted by Treason (228 posts) - - Show Bio

its her mutant power just like wolverine mutant power is too be in many teams

#11 Posted by mario_nblc (116 posts) - - Show Bio
@Phoenix of the Black Throne:
smart! love it!
#12 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury said:
"Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "

   Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed... 
 
   None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers? 
#13 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

It's because she's boring.

#14 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

She has become to powerful. Powerful characters become boring and disliked. I think everyone remember sentry.  
Character gets to powerful and suddenly there is no point in having a team at all, the one character can do it alone.
#15 Posted by Agent9149 (2888 posts) - - Show Bio

because of the phoenix and because the phoenix is a nut job and doesn't know what to do with itself....

#16 Posted by IrishX (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's keep this real simple. 
 
The Phoenix represents death and rebirth. It only makes sense that she would die and come back.

#17 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio
@IrishX said:
"Let's keep this real simple.  The Phoenix represents death and rebirth. It only makes sense that she would die and come back. "

   Yes, but Jean Grey need not always be the Phoenix.
#18 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio

Well the original phoenix saga had Jean becoming too powerful, when that happens, something had to be done, so they made her a villain (as Dark Phoenix) - The problem came after she repressed the phoenix, they couldn't just throw that part of her away, so they had to bring it out every now and then. This gave the character some credibility and got the attention (and money) of the reader, but they couldn't just keep doing the same thing over and over again, so they killed her, then they brought her back for ratings etc, but then they had to bring the phoenix back again, so it became a perpetual cycle of dying and coming back - for which they give the excuse that that's what a phoenix does.
 
But I think that she is currently dead(?) and there would be no point in bringing her back because the plot devices have now been transfered to Rachel Gray (Miss Marvel) who is a host to the Phoenix Force and Hope Summers, who managed to display some Phoenix-esque powers of her own.

#19 Posted by Michiel76 (182 posts) - - Show Bio

Well i agree, she dies because thats what a phoenix is all about, die and rise from the ashes reborn.
 
But also she has/had this love triangle between 2 major X-characters, wolverine and cyclops. So i think they use her as a tool to shake them up and screw with their heads.

#20 Posted by Silver Knight75 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now?

#21 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver Knight75 said:
" I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence.. 
 
she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before..
#22 Posted by Aqua11500 (2647 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:
" @Silver Knight75 said:
" I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence..   she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before.. "
No basically she's dead.
#23 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@Aqua11500 said:
" @lord_oraculous016 said:
" @Silver Knight75 said:
" I keep losing track, is she dead or alive right now? "
she is neither.. she's in a Higher Plane of Existence..   she constantly die and reborn again for her to understand the power given to her.. she must cycle life and death to be worthy of the Phoenix.. like what Death told her before.. "
No basically she's dead. "
yes.. in the physical sense.. but she exist in the White Hot Room.. so she still exist only in a higher plane incomprehensible to mortal minds.. 
#24 Posted by babywix (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, to be honest, I don't see anything defining about her personality and that makes her boring. The thing that's probably defining about her character, though, is because of her Phoenix powers. I'd prefer she'd just stay dead. I know that's not what a phoenix is all about, but she should just stay dead.

#25 Posted by moviegeek17 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

i get the feeling its an inside joke in marvel now.

#26 Edited by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Grey does not suck and she's not boring, it's not her fault that certain writers, write her the way they do; blame them.  Jean needs someone to write her well and one that knows how to write her character.  What makes someone like Emma Frost better?  The main reason why I believe that so many favor Emma is because of how she looks and acts.  Now, I don't hate her in anyway, but in my opinion, I just feel she lacks certain character, I just feel she's always written the same; sure she went from being one of the X-mens most deadly villains, to fighting right along side with them, and I think that's great, but she's still shadowed in the aspect of who she was and is written as such in that sense.  When I see Emma, I look beyond the blonde hair, beyond her bust, her dress, I see her as a tragic hero;someone who just needs to have a good story to better put her on the map then where she is.  With Jean, it's usually like this:  She's Jean Grey, she's fighting as an 'X-Man', she becomes Phoenix, she dies, repeat process.  I think Jean can be Phoenix, and not have death hovering over her always, just waiting.  Jean can have stories that are not always Phoenix related, it's just that writers for some reason can't see beyond her Phoenix aspect; it's like they see a 'dead end sign' and that's it.  Jean is never beyond hope or repair, no character is.  She just needs to be in the hands of a writer that can write her as Jean Grey as Phoenix without going down the uberpower route which leads to her eventual (and unsurprising) death.     
#27 Posted by daredevil21134 (9094 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
"Jean Grey does not suck and she's not boring, it's not her fault that certain writers, write her the way they do; blame them.  Jean needs someone to write her well and one that knows how to write her character.  What makes someone like Emma Frost better?  The main reason why I believe that so many favor Emma is because of how she looks and acts.  Now, I don't hate her in anyway, but in my opinion, I just feel she lacks certain character, I just feel she's always written the same; sure she went from being one of the X-mens most deadly villains, to fighting right along side with them, and I think that's great, but she's still shadowed in the aspect of who she was and is written as such in that sense.  When I see Emma, I look beyond the blonde hair, her bust, her dress, I see her as a tragic hero, she just needs to have a good story that to me should put her better on the map then where she is.  With Jean, it's usually like this:  She's Jean Grey, she's fighting as an 'X-Man', she becomes Phoenix, she dies, repeat process.  I think Jean can be Phoenix, and not have death hovering over her always, just waiting.  Jean can have stories that are not always Phoenix related, it's just that writers for some reason can't see beyond her Phoenix aspect; it's like they see a 'dead end sign' and that's it.  Jean is never beyond hope or repair, no character is.  She just needs to be in the hands of a writer that can write her as Jean Grey as Phoenix without going down the uberpower route which leads to her eventual (and unsurprising) death.      "

well said
#28 Posted by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: 
 
Thank you. much appreciated.
#29 Posted by Shadow_Thief (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it's one of the choices that pop up on the magic 8 ball when the writers run out of ideas. Others include "reinvent Wolverine's origins," "Xavier regains/loses ability to walk," "retcon someone in some way that connects them to Mystique," and "clone somebody."

#30 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

Because if she isn't the Phoenix she's just kind of boring.

#31 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

She's actually Kenny.

#32 Posted by EmmaGrace (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

I truly do hope there is still hope for Jean....
#33 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Jean deserves a chance at life, lol. If she didn't have the Phoenix Force they should at least try to develop her character a little bit. Just give the Phoenix Force to somebody else. 

#34 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know why she can't be part of the Annihilators if she's so powerful, that series needs a female powerhouse.

#35 Posted by jakeeboi17 (4356 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion, she should just stay dead now. It's boring, it's been done. She should stay dead, and be forgotten about... Forever.

#36 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - - Show Bio
@jakeeboi17:
agreed!
#37 Posted by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio
@jakeeboi17: 
 
Well that's never going to happen. 
#38 Posted by mewmdude77 (991 posts) - - Show Bio
@John_Feaster said:
" @Jake Fury said:
"Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "
   Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed...     None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers?  "
Don't forget the rule where Spider-Man isn't supposed to have anything go right in his life and he has to suffer through life and watch his love ones go away or die. Why does Marvel hate Peter so much??
#39 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2310 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want her back with her TK and telepathy make her powerful but keep it within reason like haver her telepathy be prof X level and boost her TK and if they want throw in some pyrokinesis just as a nod to the phoenix but remove the phoenix and lock it away in the white hot room 
 
They can even have her team up with the phoenix force for the occasional mission But I dont mind that shes died a lot because she has a similar issue that psylocke has with the body swapping plot and her deaths, they just need to reintroduce her and have her go on a solo journey(a miniseries) dealing with everything thats happened to her family and her life, then make her character more independent 
 
I'd love to see her join x-force XD and have a small fling with logan, then move on, the writers on X-force can probably fix her character and make her more likable again

#40 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@mewmdude77 said:

" @John_Feaster said:

" @Jake Fury said:
"Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now. "
   Good observation! She's one of a few characters/places who will always be cursed by the Lazy Writer Syndrome. She will always eventually become Phoenix...and then die. Just like the Scarlet Witch will ALWAYS eventually go crazy...and Asgard will ALWAYS be destroyed...     None of them are beyond repair...but it's not likely that they will be handled correctly again. I hope she's back soon...then she leaves the X-Men and Scott behind for a while. That team (and that man) are poison to her. Maybe she could spend time with Hank McCoy in the Avengers?  "
Don't forget the rule where Spider-Man isn't supposed to have anything go right in his life and he has to suffer through life and watch his love ones go away or die. Why does Marvel hate Peter so much?? "

 It's cause he's black.
#41 Posted by mewmdude77 (991 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar: Nice that was hilarious!!!
#42 Posted by ChuckSass (7 posts) - - Show Bio

you say shes a shitty character, but you probably are all Emma fans. As we speak, the well written Emma is becoming the next Jean. When Jean comes back, shes gonna tear shit up. she's single, she'll have to adjust to everything, theres a story right there, and she might have some sort of depression and resentment.


eitherway, Jean like most X-Men comics, were great until 2003
#43 Posted by shadow death (605 posts) - - Show Bio

i think its because shes too powerful  so it basically limits the over all x-men

#44 Posted by abeyance (237 posts) - - Show Bio

they just make jean the primary villain for the xmen. i mean she has a phoenix entity or mutant evolutionary power that makes her like demi god status. She has been with the Xmen and seen the atrocities committed by humans and mutants alike. She could easily just say 75% of all life on earth should be wiped out and let the other 25% repopulate the earth and stress that her actions were because humanity as a whole failed to evolve on a moral stand point...whatever right.

#45 Posted by Mercy_ (92081 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChuckSass The thing is that Emma hasn't been well written since Fraction started on Uncanny.
Moderator
#46 Posted by Zaber (263 posts) - - Show Bio

It amazes to keep her alive because she is still fighting and not giving up on her life. She may able to stop the Phoenix by herself, return back to her life. She might able to reach the Death by making the deal with the Death. This could be good story!

#47 Posted by Jake Fury (17922 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury said:
Because they have no idea what to do with her...her character has been absolutely butchered over the years..she's one of my all time faves but she's beyond hope now.
#48 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Because she's a God Mode Sue and a cancer to good storytelling.

#49 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio
She's got too much baggage at this point. As many people would cheer her return would hate it. And you already have so many other characters covering the same bases she used to. Emma is Scott's love interest, the cuckoos cover the "we need crazy telepaths we can kill off," Rachael Summers is the new Marvel Girl/"Phoenix," and Hope has the messiah/ultimate power thing going on. 
 
I'm not saying that rebooting her in a way that makes her good is impossible, I'm just saying it's not necessary and the return is probably not worth the effort/risk/outrage.
#50 Posted by Mercy_ (92081 posts) - - Show Bio

She needs a reboot in the worst way. I don't recall coming across a (Marvel) character who needs to be rebooted more than Jean Grey does.

Moderator

This edit will also create new pages on Comic Vine for:

Beware, you are proposing to add brand new pages to the wiki along with your edits. Make sure this is what you intended. This will likely increase the time it takes for your changes to go live.

Comment and Save

Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other Comic Vine users. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll send you an email once approved.