I know she may be useful most of the time but I just absolutely hate her in general! Everything she does really bugs me.... So can someone please tell me that she is not that annoying and stupid and is a valued X-Man or tell me why you really hate her. I need some moral support here...

I hated her depiction in the 90's cartoon.Barring Morrison's run on the X-men, and Phoenix Endsong I don't think she's really had a presence in Marvel for some time now. The things I have read her in, she didn't bother me.

Give specific examples of what she's done to annoy you.

@John Valentine said:

Give specific examples of what she's done to annoy you.

Agreed, I can't abide by someone just making a hate post. They have NO purpose. Now if this were well thought out and provided clear examples of why you dislike this character maybe, but putting a hate forum on another characters page is just seems rude IMO.

@PurpleFeather738:

@Crimsonlord53:

@Hareil0079 said:

I like Jean Grey and she didn't bother me, it's just that I hate how they keep throwing her in a stupid love triangle instead of developing her character.

That's why I like her Ultimate, AoA, XMFC, XMS1, counter parts better. Hell I liked her in X-Men: Inferno cause she was becoming the not so sarah plain and tall/goody two shoes jean.

It's like writers tried not to explore or develop her character more. That's why I said I wouldn't mind if she came back in AvX or after as long as she's either on her own and official moved on from Scott or on a different team maybe working with storm being on the field more instead of constantly at a school.

i dont think marvel will ever bring her back bacause scotts with emma now and for them(scott and jean) to get a a divorce seems wrong.....and marvel is against jean beng paired with wolverine

The overused Phoenix stories just made her character repetetive. Her relationships IMO never hurt her character i.e. 616 Scott and Jean, AOA Logan and Jean and helped define her as a character. It's when she started getting involved in love triangles that ruined her.

I don't mind her. She doesn't bother me. But I hate how she's so defined by everything else that she has had little time to define herself. She's mostly a character that everyone reacts to, and we never get a definitive personality. With some good writing, I think she could be a really intriguing character.

Jean died. That severed the marriage from a legal stand point.

I like her...

I hated the baggage of her. I hated how they haven't done anything new with her in forever and since she died the second time, it's like the writers just wouldn't leave that baggage alone, so we didn't even get a break from her. She was even more annoying dead than alive.

@Mercy_ said:

Jean died. That severed the marriage from a legal stand point.

actually if ur dead wife comes back from the dead....its still his wife legally....it happens in soap operas all the time lol

plus it would explain why emma frost and scott never married........shouldnt they be married by now?????

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

it happens in soap operas all the time lol

Because soap operas are generally regarded for being completely accurate...

I don't mind Jean Grey, but I feel that she is always being held back by her everlasting love triangle with Cyclops and Wolverine and the fact that she was the host of the Phoenix Force.  If Jean Grey does come back, I hope that the writers would do more with her, like have her star in her own miniseries and stay away from the X-Men for a few years so that way her character would develop.

@Duchess said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

I respect her importance to the mythology of the X-Men (particularly her role in the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men), but as a character I rather dislike her. Her love triangle with Cyclops and Wolverine only has a few notable moments of purpose, and Morrison wrote it perfectly when she said to Scott that all she ever did was die on him (the only thing she has ever really done to help his character grow was die). Really, her greatest accomplishments as a character were in death.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

Love

I'll co-sign that.

@ZombieBigfoot said:

@Mercy_ said:

@Duchess said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

I respect her importance to the mythology of the X-Men (particularly her role in the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men), but as a character I rather dislike her. Her love triangle with Cyclops and Wolverine only has a few notable moments of purpose, and Morrison wrote it perfectly when she said to Scott that all she ever did was die on him (the only thing she has ever really done to help his character grow was die). Really, her greatest accomplishments as a character were in death.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

Love

I'll co-sign that.

Seconded.

^These people have the right idea.

@PurpleFeather738 said:

I know she may be useful most of the time but I just absolutely hate her in general! Everything she does really bugs me.... So can someone please tell me that she is not that annoying and stupid and is a valued X-Man or tell me why you really hate her. I need some moral support here...

If u really hate her then why is the forum of jean grey so popular?????

@ChaosAgent: @ZombieBigfoot: @TDK_1997:@Mercy_:

@SoA said:

i used to hate jean grey then i was exposed to emma frost all my jean hate went to her

lol i dont like emma frost either because shes in a losing relationship with scott......but i would feel sad if she died in avx 12

Marvel just needs to give her a proper writer. Bendis seems pretty excited about writing Jean Grey. I hope he does good things with her.

@Thorion88 said:

@ZombieBigfoot said:

@Mercy_ said:

@Duchess said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

I respect her importance to the mythology of the X-Men (particularly her role in the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men), but as a character I rather dislike her. Her love triangle with Cyclops and Wolverine only has a few notable moments of purpose, and Morrison wrote it perfectly when she said to Scott that all she ever did was die on him (the only thing she has ever really done to help his character grow was die). Really, her greatest accomplishments as a character were in death.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

Love

I'll co-sign that.

Seconded.

^These people have the right idea.

You guys do realize that Emma has become all of the things that you claim to hate Jean for right?!

(Scott x Emma x Namor = love triangle) And now (thanks to AvsX) Emma has just as many ties to the Phoenix as Jean does.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

I have a hard time agreeing this this statement in that by the time Emma became one of the X-men, Jean was being written wonderfully by Grant Morrison. And Storm, I would say, was as equally intriguing as Jean was throughout their overlapping times in X-men history. Both were shown to be leaders (eg. Jean in Revolution, Storm with the Gold Team and X-treme.) Both were easily duped by villains (Storm by the Shadow King in that arc that killed Psylocke, and Jean by Mr Sinister numerous times) Yet both were shown to have great potential (Jean separated Apocalypse from Cyclops in Search for Cyclops, Storm winning against the Brood way back in the day)

I loved how in New X-men Jean was assuming the role of a Mutant-Rights Spokeswoman. I hope when she returns, she can continue in that role.

@Mr Marvel82 said:

@Thorion88 said:

@ZombieBigfoot said:

@Mercy_ said:

@Duchess said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

I respect her importance to the mythology of the X-Men (particularly her role in the Dark Phoenix Saga and Grant Morrison's New X-Men), but as a character I rather dislike her. Her love triangle with Cyclops and Wolverine only has a few notable moments of purpose, and Morrison wrote it perfectly when she said to Scott that all she ever did was die on him (the only thing she has ever really done to help his character grow was die). Really, her greatest accomplishments as a character were in death.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

Love

I'll co-sign that.

Seconded.

^These people have the right idea.

You guys do realize that Emma has become all of the things that you claim to hate Jean for right?!

(Scott x Emma x Namor = love triangle) And now (thanks to AvsX) Emma has just as many ties to the Phoenix as Jean does.

Jean always came across as either completely uninteresting, save for her connection to the Phoenix, or was outshone by stronger and more intriguing X-Women like Emma Frost or Storm. She was defined by her relationship with Cyclops (and vice versa) for so long, and I was glad to see that end.

I have a hard time agreeing this this statement in that by the time Emma became one of the X-men, Jean was being written wonderfully by Grant Morrison. And Storm, I would say, was as equally intriguing as Jean was throughout their overlapping times in X-men history. Both were shown to be leaders (eg. Jean in Revolution, Storm with the Gold Team and X-treme.) Both were easily duped by villains (Storm by the Shadow King in that arc that killed Psylocke, and Jean by Mr Sinister numerous times) Yet both were shown to have great potential (Jean separated Apocalypse from Cyclops in Search for Cyclops, Storm winning against the Brood way back in the day)

I loved how in New X-men Jean was assuming the role of a Mutant-Rights Spokeswoman. I hope when she returns, she can continue in that role.

I see your point.

@ApatheticAvenger said:

The love triangle between Cyclops, Emma, and Namor is nowhere near as obnoxious as the one with Wolverine (and this coming from a guy who loathes the fish stick). At least Namor and Emma have a past, and Emma is known for her seductive and "Ice Queen" nature. Jean's relationship with Wolverine always came across as him being an obsessive creeper.

I loved that Morrison had Jean make out with Wolverine, only for her to later be enraged at Scott's telepathic affair with Emma. Really Ms. Grey? You're physically pursuing the Canadian hobbit and yet you are angered that your husband is having thought sex with his therapist? It was just brilliant, I love that Scottish madman. :P

I'm not even a big Storm fan, but she is MUCH more interesting than Jean. Storm was the first female comic character to lead a superhero team, rivaling Cyclops as the authority of the X-Men in the field, was strong and wise, and looked sweet with a mohawk. ;)

Overall, the issues you raised about Emma becoming what we stated to hate in Jean are very recent developments. Through most of her history with the X-Men (particularly Morrison and Whedon's genius runs, where she shined brightest) this wasn't the case at all. She was so unlike Jean as both co-leader of the X-Men and as a lover to Cyclops that it was a breath of fresh air. I'll always prefer her over Jean.

What makes Cyclops x Jean x Logan so annoying other than the fact that it's been done over and over? (I mean across Universes, and Cartoon and Film media.)

Logan had the hots for Jean and respect for both she and Cyclops. Jean was attracted to Logan on a physical level, and loved him as a teammate, but was in a committed relationship with Scott. So she denied herself a physical relationship with him. When Grant Morrison wrote their quick "makeout" scene it was in context. Jean hadn't gotten any of Scott's luvin for quite some time. She was horny and under the stress of the massacre in Genosha, a new very powerful enemy (Cassandra Nova,) and a husband who had been distant as of late. So she made a move on him. This showed that even though she was growing into her Phoenix potential, she was still human, and flawed. Again, beautifully written.

As far as Jean's anger of Scott and Emma's "therapy." She had a right to be angry. Since when was Emma Frost anybody's legitimate therapist? lol (Ok, maybe there was that one time with Iceman) It was bad enough that Scott didn't try to work out the problems in their marriage, but to carry on with someone that Jean had such an awful history with?? Come on.

But look, I don't want this to turn into a Jean vs Emma vs Storm issue. That's been done before and never ends well. I think Jean is a great character. I like Emma and Storm as well. But mohawk Storm?? Really? lol