Pheonix Death Count

#1 Posted by JonSmith (4005 posts) - - Show Bio

At the suggestion of one InnerVenom, we shall now tally all death's of the Pheonix Hosts. Anytime a host of the Pheonix dies, post a scan of it here. If it is suspected that a host dies, post a scan of it here and declare it suspicious. Let's truly see how far this goes.

First:

#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

I know you can do it, Comicvine.

I believe in you.

#3 Posted by ColonelRunAway (370 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just gonna file anything connected to Morrison's run under suspicious. Except the second one, that's pretty definitive.

1. When Logan stabs Jean, it's slightly ambiguous if she actually dies and then comes back or if the Phoenix saves her at the last second.

2. Either way, Xorn/Magneto/Xorn kills her for reals two issues later.

3. Then she comes back in the post-apocalyptic future, but changes the past so that said future never happened. Not sure if "retconing yourself back to death" counts.

4. When Quentin seemingly dies, it's later implied that his consciousness left his body to merge with the Phoenix Force. But then later he was never really dead, just comatose... And the Phoenix doesn't want to merge with him... I think. Also we only saw him merged with the Phoenix in the future that Jean retconed, so... Maybe that part didn't happen in the current timeline? For some reason?

5. Two of the Stepford Cuckoos die in Morrison's run proper, and the remaining three are possessed by the Phoenix Force in a later story. But that story also retcons that the Cuckoos are just a few out of thousands of clones, and then one of them kills most of the others using the Phoenix... So depending on whether or not you classify all clones as the same person, this either raises the count by zero or we've already passed a thousand.

#4 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
6-9.
Wolverine kills Jean at least 4 times in Endsong. It's so hammy it's just hilarious. 
  

#5 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Reading this I realized... I don't want to be loved by Logan, he keeps killing his lovers...wait...he keeps killing Sabertooth too!

#6 Edited by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3747 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: And tries to kil cyclops once in a while...lol

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

6-9.
Wolverine kills Jean at least 4 times in Endsong. It's so hammy it's just hilarious.


marvel made jean's death into a living joke....not cool marvel not cool, theres nothing funny about dying:

#7 Posted by snyderman567 (160 posts) - - Show Bio

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

@TheCrowbar: And tries to kil cyclops once in a while...lol

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

6-9.
Wolverine kills Jean at least 4 times in Endsong. It's so hammy it's just hilarious.


marvel made jean's death into a living joke....not cool marvel not cool, theres nothing funny about dying:

Its funny to me.

#8 Posted by cattlebattle (13047 posts) - - Show Bio

 
 


Everyone knows that Jean Grey has bought the farm more times than a billionaire with an unhealthy interest in agriculture – but just how many times is that? Two? Four? Eight? Higher than that? It’s hard to keep track of the number of times various X-Men have died and come back to life, but of them all, only Jean Grey could fill a “Top 10″ deaths by herself. To clear up the matter once and for all, I’m going to look into the many deaths of the woman they sometimes call Marvel Girl, sometimes call Phoenix, and more frequently call “the deceased.” Finally, we’ll have a definitive answer the question – how many times has Jean Grey died?

This list excludes What If? issues, simply because 90% of those seem to end with everyone dying, and according to the title’s conceit, they’re things that COULD’VE happened, rather than things that did. I’ve tried to restrict myself entirely to 616 Jean. Click on the thumbnails to see larger versions of each image.

1. Dies Piloting a Crashing Space Shuttle
Uncanny X-Men #101 (October 1976)

Jean is dead!

This is the first, brief death of Jean Grey. In order to help the X-Men escape the Starcore space station, Jean pilots a space shuttle through lethal radiation from a solar flare, attempting to use her powers to shield her. After the shuttle crashes in the bay, Jean emerges, now exhibiting the powers appearance of “Phoenix.”

It would later be explained that Jean was actually saved by the Phoenix force, who placed her in a stasis pod underwater and, using a psychic link, assumed her life. It’s debatable whether there was any actual death here, but future instances of Jean’s Phoenix manifestation have required her to die first, so I’m get to say that’s retroactive confirmation that if she hadn’t died, she wouldn’t have become Phoenix.

2. Commits Suicide on the Moon
Uncanny X-Men #137 (September 1980)

Don't worry, it's not her.

Following the corruption of Phoenix into the Dark Phoenix, and her subsequent destruction of an inhabited star system, Jean was placed on trial by the Shi’ar for the murders she committed in the guise of Phoenix. During their attempts to win Jean’s life in a trial by combat, Phoenix re-emerges and Jean, wanting to take responsibility for the deaths she helped cause, uses her powers to activate Shi’ar weapons and vapourise herself.

Of course, this is actually a Phoenix-created duplicate of Jean who dies, but it was considered to be her at the time so I’m going to count it. It was later explained that Jean’s psychic link with the Phoenix was what caused her to sacrifice herself.

3. Erased from existence by Thanos
Infinity Gauntlet #1 (July 1991)

Off-panel, but still valid!

The real, undisputed Jean eventually returned, alive, in 1986′s Fantastic Four #286. It was a mere 5 years until the next time Jean bit the dust, though this was a brief one. After acquiring the complete power of the Infinity Gems, Thanos erases half of all life in the Universe to impress Death. Luckily, everyone gets restored later on.

Jean was one of the super-heroes that got blinked out of existence, as confirmed by her “missing” status in Infinity Gauntlet #2. It wasn’t necessarily intended to be permanent, but given that it did happen it inarguably makes the list.

4. Killed by Fitzroy’s Sentinels
Uncanny X-Men #281 (October 1991)

Target: Marvel Girl is dead!

During an attack on the Hellfire Club, Trevor Fitzroy’s Sentinels kill the Hellions and Jean Grey – luckily, she had transferred her mind into Emma Frost before they delivered the final blow – the Sentinels declare their target dead at the scene.

Jean was eventually transferred back into her own body by Xavier a few issues later, though the question of how, exactly, you can transfer a living mind into a dead body was glossed over somewhat. Still, her body was braindead, if nothing else, and that’s what I call a technical death.

5. Age of Apocalypse Jean murdered by Havok
X-Men: Omega (June 1995)

If Havok had waited a few minutes the bombs would've done it anyway.

I don’t want to start getting picky about alternate universes, but as we’re aware, this was no mere “What If?” story – the Marvel Universe timeline genuinely was altered, and as a result, Jean had the opportunity to die all over again. After hooking up with Cyclops, the AOA Jean was murdered by Havok in the closing pages of X-Men Omega in a revenge attack on his favoured brother.

Shortly afterwards, Wolverine killed Havok, Magneto killed Apocalypse and then the Human High Council’s atomic bombs destroyed most of America before the timeline was repaired – or so it seemed at the time, because there was a much worse miniseries much later on that revealed a bunch of new stuff after that scene. Let’s not talk about it.

6. Stabbed by Wolverine on remains of Asteroid M,
New X-Men #148 (October 2003)

How is this quicker than being incinerated, again?

After Magneto infiltrated the X-Men under the guise of Xorn (yes, that’s what happened, please ignore any Xorn material not written by Grant Morrison) he managed to trap Wolverine and Phoenix on the remains of Asteroid M. When his deception came to light, he plunged the asteroid into the sun.

Wolverine, trying to spare Jean the suffering of being burnt alive, stabbed her with his claws right through her gut and spine. Not a particularly clean kill, to be honest. Jean’s death awakened her Phoenix powers, and she was able to fly them both back to Earth to help confront Magneto…

7. Murdered by “Xorn” (Magneto)
New X-Men #150 (December 2003)

Xorneto delivers the killing blow.

…which, unfortunately, did not end well for Jean. While it’s debatable whether this was actually Magneto, thanks to some increasingly screwed-up editorial wrangling which was supposed to “clear up” Morrison’s already clear plot about Magneto inventing “Xorn” to get into the X-Men, we do know that whoever it was, they did manage to kill Jean with a magnetic pulse that gave her a massive stroke.

This death lasted a solid 150 years before she returned, corrupted and under the control of Sublime, but eventually broke free and altered the timeline so that the future seen in the New X-Men arc “Here Comes Tomorrow” never happened.

8-13. Fatally stabbed SIX SEPERATE TIMES by Wolverine
Phoenix: Endsong #3 (April 2005)


and again, and again

Greg Land "draws" Jean dying!

When a wounded part of the Phoenix force makes it way to earth, it brings Jean back to life to help heal itself. Feeling the Phoenix power taking control, she asks Wolverine to repeatedly kill her to weaken the Phoenix. He attempts to do so, disembowelling her no less than 6 times – including four on one page. Each time, the Phoenix is able to help resurrect Jean almost immediately, but the entity is weakened enough for Jean to wrest back her faculties.

These are some seriously rapid-fire deaths, and the montage shown may even represent more than what I’ve counted. Still, they’re all valid – dead is dead, after all!

14. Submerges herself in glacier
Phoenix: Endsong #3 (April 2005)

Jean's most recent death.

This death is fairly unspectacular, as Jean submerges herself in a glacier, partly mirroring her final resting place in the then-recent X2: X-Men United. Even this fails to hold her, though, and she comes back once again. In Phoenix: Endsong #5, Jean decides that she’s not yet ready to come back to life, instead returning to the “White Hot Room” which is apparently where Phoenixes go to gestate, or something. It’s not entirely clear. She doesn’t seem to die at the end of that series, though, and disappears into another plane of existence leaving no corpse, so that’s it – she’s out there, somewhere.

#9 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3747 posts) - - Show Bio

@snyderman567 said:

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

@TheCrowbar: And tries to kil cyclops once in a while...lol

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

6-9.
Wolverine kills Jean at least 4 times in Endsong. It's so hammy it's just hilarious.


marvel made jean's death into a living joke....not cool marvel not cool, theres nothing funny about dying:

Its funny to me.

because your purely EVIL!!!!!

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