Original Phoenix

#1 Posted by The Scarlet Witch (83 posts) - - Show Bio

Hello everyone I'm new to the site. I just had a quick question regarding the original Phoenix. I'll be honest I haven't read the original comics in quite sometime so my knowledge is a tad rusty. I do remember though in the original the Phoenix was not a separate entity but was Jean's full potential realized. I was just curious at what point this was changed? Since pretty much everything else I remember from the cartoons etc the Phoenix is shown as the cosmic entity we all know it as today.

#2 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

Welcome to Comic Vine! 
 
It was changed when they resurrected Jean for X-Factor #1 (I can't remember the specific Fantastic Four issue right now, but I'm sure you can find it in Jean's Comics By Cover section).  In order to bring her back to life, they established that the Phoenix was a separate entity who had placed Jean in a cocoon when the shuttle crashed back on Earth. 

 

This was much much later retconned again to say that Jean really was the Phoenix, but I don't know where that was.

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#3 Posted by The Scarlet Witch (83 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty:  Thanks for the welcome! : ) Also thanks for your response. I knew they changed it but I was unable to remember when that was though I knew it was quite a ways back.
#5 Posted by The Scarlet Witch (83 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury: Thanks for the direct links!
#6 Posted by kerukun878 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, I hate to retort XK, but it was never retconned to say that the Jean that committed suicide on the moon and the Jean in the cocoon were one in the same. It was just stated that the Phoenix Force IS Jean, but Jean is not the Phoenix Force.

#7 Posted by The_Greatest_Username (142 posts) - - Show Bio

but Jean did say "I'm always Jean, and always Phoenix" not an exact quote...but she said something to the extent of that... 
#8 Posted by kerukun878 (373 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Greatest_Username:  She actually said that the Phoenix Force is herself, but she is NOT the Phoenix Force.
#9 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18854 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Scarlet Witch: You should get the Official Phoenix Handbook, it came out like a month ago :]
#10 Posted by The Scarlet Witch (83 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx:  Oh I'll surely have to look into that!
#11 Edited by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@kerukun878 said:

"Actually, I hate to retort XK, but it was never retconned to say that the Jean that committed suicide on the moon and the Jean in the cocoon were one in the same. It was just stated that the Phoenix Force IS Jean, but Jean is not the Phoenix Force. "


A retcon is still a retcon.  As I said, I don't know where the retcon happened.  I still don't.  
 
The whole thing is stupid & drawn out.  It's just a shame that she wont stay dead... knowing that she'll be back means that there'll be more retcons & more ridiculously convoluted stories.
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