no...just...no

#1 Posted by Powerzone789 (428 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't get why people are making the generalization that she's coming back...since when has there been any official announcement that she's coming back. Although the cyclops/emma relationship makes me sick, i am certainly NOT looking forward to her returning if she is. Just because the phoenix force is coming back doesn't mean she will.....

#2 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it's inevitable that she will eventually come back. It doesn't matter that there's been several false-hints at her return over the last few years. People see this as a supposedly big event & therefore she might return. It's just what Marvel want... extra hype to boost sales of yet another cross-over event.

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#3 Posted by Ivyphoenix17 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

it does not state that she is coming back, it is just some kind of theory from the people. But you cannot blame the people, including me, on thinking about Jean's possible comeback. Because, in the endsong, Jean stated that she is Phoenix and Phoenix is her and that they are one. Therefore, if the Phoenix is coming back, there is a possibility that she is coming back too. Or maybe, we will be seeing a reincarnated Jean but don't you worry, there is still no assurance of Jean's comeback, even though I want her to be back. We will just wait for the AvX to end to see if this "big" event will mark her return.

#4 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2095 posts) - - Show Bio

This is what I've been saying for ages.

#5 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

"She will rise again", if that's not stating her inevitable return then i don't know what will.

#6 Posted by LadyHarley (50 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Jean Grey. Need I say more?

#7 Posted by cattlebattle (12278 posts) - - Show Bio

what else does "she will rise again" mean?....is the Phoenix Force a she?

#8 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5210 posts) - - Show Bio
Am I missing something by this?

I personally am excited for her return, besides it is Jean Grey.

#9 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (10042 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

Am I missing something by this?

I personally am excited for her return.

If you look really hard inside the phoenix in that photo you can see this (sorry if its blurry, I have to digitally zoom and reimage it):

#10 Posted by BlackArmor (6121 posts) - - Show Bio

I want her back even less than you do but that doesn't change the fact that it's obvious and inevitable

#11 Posted by Daycrawler (550 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be funny if they did bring her back and then killed her again within the same event.

#12 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29331 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty said:

Because it's inevitable that she will eventually come back.

This. Her main theme and power is based on a creature that's famous for never staying dead, FFS.

#13 Posted by BlackArmor (6121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Daycrawler said:

It would be funny if they did bring her back and then killed her again within the same event.

Ha! thank you sir I shall have a pleasant dream tonight

#14 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5210 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee: XD

#15 Posted by snyderman567 (152 posts) - - Show Bio

Well cuz alot of people luv jean grey

#16 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2095 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

Am I missing something by this?

I personally am excited for her return, besides it is Jean Grey.

This clearly refers to the Phoenix Force and if you've read the solicits for AvX, you'd know that it's all that's mentioned. Not even so much as an allusion to Jean.

Notice how it says "It's Coming", not "She's Coming".

#17 Edited by CellphoneGirl (18683 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember years ago on Marvel.com that it said that she'll be coming back, but they will be taking their time with bringing her back. Also with a character who can always return from the dead she'll be returning. Idk if it is soon, but it'll happen someday. I personally wouldn't want it now, but in 2-3 years sure.

Also may i add that Jean Grey is currently going around the universe collecting pieces of the phoenix force. So she should be coming for the one that Hope has sometime soon lol

#18 Posted by Ivyphoenix17 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Phoenix force will always be a "she" because look, when the Phoenix force merged with the dead body of Colossus, in an alternate reality, she really took the form of a girl and take note, her appearance really resembles Jean on a metallic form, so, I think, the Phoenix force is really a girl because she is Jean. But i really think Jean will be coming back and it will be sooner or later. I think this is the reason why they made the stories of the x-men worse like dividing the x-men and the decimation thingy so they will have enough reason for bringing her back.

#19 Posted by XsPectre28 (667 posts) - - Show Bio

so many jean grey haters in the world. lollol truth is Jean is the chick but unfortunatly the writers cant make her more of a standout character without scott, logan or the phoenix force but im hoping that after the dust settles that jean is given her due as a character in her own right

#20 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ivyphoenix17: It was explained to be a girl in a sense while her opposite was the First Fallen who was male.

#21 Posted by windcaster (227 posts) - - Show Bio

If Jean and the  Phoenix force are truly one, then from a technical point of view she more or less would come back. That said, I won't her to return, but I doubt she will. At best we will probably see her as WPOTC . 

#22 Edited by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope= Phoenix. 
 
/thread.

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#23 Posted by Ivyphoenix17 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@Charmix: ah ok..... w8, the first fallen? are you referring to angel?

#24 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's the thing, people believe she's actually coming back because it's gotten to the point where hinting that she is and then not bringing her back is even more tired and cliche than actually bringing her back.

#25 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ivyphoenix17 said:

@Charmix: ah ok..... w8, the first fallen? are you referring to angel?

I can't explain, you'll have to read the Foresaken arc >.<

#26 Edited by TheWholeDamnShow (758 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to bring her back and separate her from The Phoenix Force. Jean Grey deserves to have a descent run again. A real one without her dying.... Kill Emma this time. The Phoenix Force should get the hint that maybe Jean isn't the perfect host. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The PF needs to find someone who's less vulnerable and finally turn the entire planet/galaxy to ash. Earth 616 needs to die... No reboot is necessary, there are plenty of other earths out there to choose from.

#27 Posted by Ivyphoenix17 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheWholeDamnShow: im sorry to tell you but Jean is the perfect host for the phoenix. Killing her and then bringing her to life then kill and then bringing her to life again does not say that she is not the perfect host for the Phoenix. Remember, when Jean was brought back again (the one where she now wears a black uniform i forgot what comics that is), the x-men had a doubt that Jean cannot control the Phoenix but as you can see, she handled the Phoenix perfectly well. Her death at the hand of Xorn who was posing as Magneto means that the Phoenix needs to kill Jean because she needs Jean to be reincarnated in the future whenever the world needs her help again. The first death of the Phoenix, as you know, is not the real Jean but rather, the Phoenix who is posing as the real Jean Grey. They found the body of Jean under the Jamaica Bay by the fantastic four. So, the one that the Hellfire Club seduced is not Jean but rather the Phoenix that has out of control because of being attach to darkness. Maybe, her resurrection is in a wrong time that is why she was killed and then live and then killed so many times. Remember, in the Phoenix endsong, Jean said that she is not yet ready to be reincarnated. The problem here is not Jean being not a perfect vessel for the Phoenix because if she is not too perfect for the Phoenix why did she became the White Phoenix of the Crown? The problem here is the Marvel and their writings towards Jean. They're just fooling her around and making her and her resurrection just for fun. Did you get what I mean?

#28 Posted by TheWholeDamnShow (758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ivyphoenix17 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: im sorry to tell you but Jean is the perfect host for the phoenix. Killing her and then bringing her to life then kill and then bringing her to life again does not say that she is not the perfect host for the Phoenix. Remember, when Jean was brought back again (the one where she now wears a black uniform i forgot what comics that is), the x-men had a doubt that Jean cannot control the Phoenix but as you can see, she handled the Phoenix perfectly well. Her death at the hand of Xorn who was posing as Magneto means that the Phoenix needs to kill Jean because she needs Jean to be reincarnated in the future whenever the world needs her help again. The first death of the Phoenix, as you know, is not the real Jean but rather, the Phoenix who is posing as the real Jean Grey. They found the body of Jean under the Jamaica Bay by the fantastic four. So, the one that the Hellfire Club seduced is not Jean but rather the Phoenix that has out of control because of being attach to darkness. Maybe, her resurrection is in a wrong time that is why she was killed and then live and then killed so many times. Remember, in the Phoenix endsong, Jean said that she is not yet ready to be reincarnated. The problem here is not Jean being not a perfect vessel for the Phoenix because if she is not too perfect for the Phoenix why did she became the White Phoenix of the Crown? The problem here is the Marvel and their writings towards Jean. They're just fooling her around and making her and her resurrection just for fun. Did you get what I mean?

I thought Jean went to the white room after Endsong to find the remaining Phoenix shards or something like that...? Anyways, it doesn't matter. Jean Grey needs to either stay dead forever or lose the Phoenix Force. She can't control it very well obviously...

#29 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7497 posts) - - Show Bio

Wish this wasn't bleeding into Secret Avengers, could have avoided this altogether.

#30 Posted by brucecapell (100 posts) - - Show Bio

@Powerzone789 said:

i don't get why people are making the generalization that she's coming back...since when has there been any official announcement that she's coming back. Although the cyclops/emma relationship makes me sick, i am certainly NOT looking forward to her returning if she is. Just because the phoenix force is coming back doesn't mean she will.....

Nothing wrong with speculating. She did merge with it the last time we saw her and the pieces that were in Rachel and the Cuckoos have return as well. Rachel even said "Mom?". They could just end it with an easy no she won't appear in this event. Obviously they want people guessing and wondering so they pick up the book.

X-Editors: You are correct that there has been no mention of Jean Grey leading up to AvX. Read into that however you would like. Can't say much more than that, I'm afraid.

#31 Posted by Chevaliere (983 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, I don't get it. Why do so many people hate Jean Grey?

#32 Posted by Mercy_ (92085 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordHuntingrathII said:

Wait, I don't get it. Why do so many people hate Jean Grey?

Because she's a Mary Sue.

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#33 Posted by SecretKnight (82 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Jean but she'll probably just die again for more sells.

#34 Posted by sputnik (210 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: that just gave me chills! i'd really like to see come back though.

#35 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry to kill the mood, but it's a Mainstream comic book : of course qhe will be back !

#36 Posted by GREGalicious (464 posts) - - Show Bio

She's too popular to not return one day. I think the backlash against some of her more lackluster storylines are finally starting to sink in and as such, they want to wait until a truly gifted writer can give her the return she deserves.

Like her or not, she is still one of the GREATEST X-MEN and that wont ever change. No matter what lame character-after-the-next calls themselves a Phoenix, she will always be THE Phoenix. I think people hate on her because, despite disliking her, they cant do anything to change that fact.

Why a lot of people like CYCLOPS more than her is beyond me. He has the personality of toast.

#37 Posted by XsPectre28 (667 posts) - - Show Bio

too many Jean Grey Haters for me *takes 3 steps backwards & exits the room*

#38 Posted by RogueOracle (242 posts) - - Show Bio

She's called the Phoenix for a reason.

@XsPectre28 said:

too many Jean Grey Haters for me *takes 3 steps backwards & exits the room*

I know, right? Most people either hate her because they like Emma Frost better, the whole "feud" has been going on too long and can seem a bit trivial at times, or they hate the Phoenix Force. I like Emma but I hate how people always have to pit Jean against her. The only thing they have in common is Cyclops and telepathy, yet people insist on doing so. Honestly, the it's all the same to me and some arguments are just really shallow.

I love Jean, too. One of my favourites, in fact She's had one of the most complicated back stories ever and she's really powerful, and fought the the dark nature that lived within inside her. She's a great example of what happens when one holds too much power, and how the good can be corrupted.

#39 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

@LordHuntingrathII said:

Wait, I don't get it. Why do so many people hate Jean Grey?

Because she's a Mary Sue.

Most of the popular superheroes are Mary Sues or Marty Stues, though.

#40 Posted by Raiiyn (3288 posts) - - Show Bio

@GREGalicious said:

She's too popular to not return one day. I think the backlash against some of her more lackluster storylines are finally starting to sink in and as such, they want to wait until a truly gifted writer can give her the return she deserves.

Like her or not, she is still one of the GREATEST X-MEN and that wont ever change. No matter what lame character-after-the-next calls themselves a Phoenix, she will always be THE Phoenix. I think people hate on her because, despite disliking her, they cant do anything to change that fact.

Why a lot of people like CYCLOPS more than her is beyond me. He has the personality of toast.

This is extremely true. Never understood the Cyclops buzz. Mind you, his character is less annoying now with Emma Frost in the picture. He's not a spineless goody two-shoes anymore.

Personally I'm not a big fan of Jean Grey as just plain old Jean Grey. Like Marvel Girl. She irritated me beyond irritated me back then. Only like her as the Phoenix and I completely agree with the fact the she IS and ALWAYS will be THE Phoenix.

And you are right about the writers... They gotta stop with the whole boomerang death thing. It's overplayed. Either keep her dead (which they won't but maybe should just because of how horrible the character is right now) or give her a hella good storyline so maybe people like me who dislike Jean so much might actually find some value in her character. I'm tired of her Logan/Cyclops issues and reincarnations.

Leave her dead or do her right.

#41 Posted by GREGalicious (464 posts) - - Show Bio

@Raiiyn: I can agree with that but I always liked her as just JEAN GREY. The PHOENIX FORCE just made her more interesting where she seemed almost too ordinary before. The Phoenix was originally intended to be Jeans natural power (no semi-"piece of soul"-duplicate Jean) and im so glad the wonderful ENDSONG finally made it so. After that, any possession storylines just dont make sense. Why does Phoenix keep possessing lesser beings, when she has a permanent body to do the job herself? If all others are just using temporary borrowed power, they need to just go on and say it.

Its like they had all these revelations about Jean and Phoenix in Endsong, then completely forgot to elaborate on those revelations. Im still waiting to know the significance of White Phoenix of the Crown and I wanna know what "The Crown" is. Did Jean ever gather all her Phoenix fragments? Im just kinda left in the dark.

I think if HOPE doesnt turn out to somehow be Jean, she's a complete waste of a supposedly new character. No way does she deserve to be the new Phoenix. Theres nothing original about her. She has Jean's appearance, basically SYNCH's powers (they shouldve just used him as the mutant messiah), and im sorry but hanging with the awesome CABLE doesnt make you cool. Yet they love to give false hope by constantly using Jean's fiery imagery. If they arent gonna bring her back, leave both her image, her gravesite, and the Phoenix Force out of the storylines. No one likes the force without Jean anyway.

#42 Edited by GREGalicious (464 posts) - - Show Bio

@RogueOracle: I agree about the whole EMMA and JEAN thing. I like both and personally think they (MADELYNE too) can do better than CYCLOPS. I still dont get it. He's fun to play as in videogames but thats it.

I personally enjoy Jean. People blame lame storytelling but its not just her. A LOT of the X-Men storylines have been crap since about 2001.

#43 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4637 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix will probably reboot Marvel.

#44 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe: They said that there is gonna be no reboot at the Panel for Avengers vs X-Men at Wondercon.

#45 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4637 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGreyOutcastX: They also said their stories were going to be amazing.

#46 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe: Amazing stories that they think are amazing. So they aren't lying, just not realizing that not everyone shares that view.

#47 Posted by RogueOracle (242 posts) - - Show Bio

@GREGalicious: I agree. Cyclops may be leader of the X-Men, I like him, but why do Marvel make the women flock to him? He's a great dude, but he'd make a sucky partner 'cause he focuses to much on his X-Men duties.

And true, there has been some bad story telling. I think Jean cops the flack because she is such a major character. No one else has her iconic reputation and Jean is kind of the female face of the X-Men to the public while Wolverine is the male's face for the public for those who haven't read the comics but have seen the movies (hell, even Snooki knows about Jean!).

Haters gonna hate, but I love her.

#48 Posted by Raiiyn (3288 posts) - - Show Bio

@GREGalicious: I think Hope being Jean would be mega weird... Jean has to come back as her actual self if they are going to do it. The clones and rebirth and all that is something I'm WAY over. And I understand what you mean about being left in the dark, I really hate there's been no real answers for certain things in regards to the Phoenix. And you are more then then right. The PF is absolutely awful when associated with any character other then Jean.

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