Jean, the baby ?

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#1 Posted by time (4970 posts) - - Show Bio

do think the baby, cable is protecting will be jean grey?

if she is that will so wierd, what do you think ?

#2 Edited by fesak (7046 posts) - - Show Bio

Several of marvel's editors has said that the baby is not Jean.
And they could never be lying, or could they?

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#3 Posted by khathala messa (1431 posts) - - Show Bio

interesting theory

#4 Posted by Mer-Man (3360 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. Never thought of that though.

#5 Posted by fesak (7046 posts) - - Show Bio

What?
It's obvious they want us to think it's Jean, but they try too hard for me to buy it.

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#6 Posted by ~The Wanderer~ (34405 posts) - - Show Bio

Reincarnation?

#7 Edited by khathala messa (1431 posts) - - Show Bio

kinda think of it 
it might be anyone with any significance to him

#8 Posted by Kurrent (14067 posts) - - Show Bio

I think its Rachel Grey but who knows

#9 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummm X-man by any chance?

#10 Posted by khathala messa (1431 posts) - - Show Bio
Billy said:
"Ummm X-man by any chance?"

no he`s from age of apocalypse that`s in another universe
#11 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Well who ever said it wont happen in 616...

#12 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
Billy said:
"Well who ever said it wont happen in 616..."
The baby's a girl.
#13 Posted by danhimself (22493 posts) - - Show Bio
Kurrent said:
"I think its Rachel Grey but who knows"

how could it be rachel grey without cyclops knowing and with jean being dead?
#14 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"Kurrent said:
"I think its Rachel Grey but who knows"

how could it be rachel grey without cyclops knowing and with jean being dead?"
It's not.
#15 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"danhimself said:
"Kurrent said:
"I think its Rachel Grey but who knows"

how could it be rachel grey without cyclops knowing and with jean being dead?"
It's not."
madelyn p
#16 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
Billy said:
"John Valentine said:
"danhimself said:
"Kurrent said:
"I think its Rachel Grey but who knows"

how could it be rachel grey without cyclops knowing and with jean being dead?"
It's not."
madelyn p"

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#17 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

I said this along time ago. It is extremely powerful, red hair, a girl. Its going to be Jean or at least Jean related.

#18 Posted by NiteFly (1459 posts) - - Show Bio
 Billy said:
"John Valentine said:
"danhimself said:
"Kurrent said:
"I think its Rachel Grey but who knows"

how could it be rachel grey without cyclops knowing and with jean being dead?"
It's not."
madelyn p"
She was genetically engineered by Sinster, not a time paradox.
#19 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"I said this along time ago. It is extremely powerful, red hair, a girl. Its going to be Jean or at least Jean related."

It's going to be Jean.
#20 Posted by G-Man (32555 posts) - - Show Bio

There was that image (from maybe the second or third issue) where you see a Phoenix rising in her eyes.


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#21 Edited by khathala messa (1431 posts) - - Show Bio

<--- is now convinced

#22 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

nice theory btw

#23 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel doesn't know when to quit with the damn Summers' and Grey's.

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#24 Posted by Oluf_Von_Host_Museum (84678 posts) - - Show Bio
khathala messa said:
"Billy said:
"Ummm X-man by any chance?"

no he`s from age of apocalypse that`s in another universe"
He was one of several characters who crossed over.
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#25 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"There was that image (from maybe the second or third issue) where you see a Phoenix rising in her eyes.


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It's either Jean or perhaps a fragment of the Pheonix......
#26 Posted by ~The Wanderer~ (34405 posts) - - Show Bio
~The Wanderer~ said:
"Reincarnation?"
Of Jean?
#27 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

It could be the person who becomes Rachael - The Phoenix Force could have birthed her in this situation if it wanted to.

#28 Posted by fesak (7046 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't make sense for the baby to be Jean.
Marvel is a company, and those are interested in $$$. And as much as it pains me Jean Grey is very popular.
So her return will no doubt be a big event, hugely advertised to get as much $$$ as possible. It's completely logical.

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#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

i hate everyone last named Grey.

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#30 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   But a more subtle return would be better for the character. Also, a return of Jean as Baby Grey won't mean that an older Jean wont return later. Marvel's a big tent with a lot of ideas under it. It's just that these days...Bendis seems to be behind most of them...and they aren't as good as advertised ;>)

#31 Posted by Darkchild (40624 posts) - - Show Bio

Im going with the idea that its a fragment of the Phoenix.

#32 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"i hate everyone last named Grey."

   Kind of a blanket statement, isn't it? Why hate Jean Grey?
#33 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

and so it begins

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#34 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   Well, I've just bought the "King-Size Cable #1" and trhe baby is now old enough to talk, and has aparently been with Cable for a while in the future. She calls Cable (Nathan Summers) "Nay-Nay", and can vocalize concepts like "No, Nay-Nay! No jump! I scared." I feel she is supposed to be either Jean Grey reborn, or perhaps Maddy. Cable's really trying his best to protect her, and Biship's being heartless as heck in his quest to kill her, though you also understand his reasons. After all, he's trying to prevent a disaster...but I still feel he's wrong.

   If you've read Uncanny X-Men 502, then you know that the Red Queen ISN'T Jean or Maddy, but someone who looks exactly like Emma Frost in a red wig. Perhaps one of her sisters? She still has one living sister, doesn't she? Or maybe a clone?

#35 Posted by Shatterstar (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

 X-Characters turned into kids/babies in the past - Storm, Magneto, Cable, am I missing anyone? Certainly wouldn't be the first time if it is Jean. I think it'd be more poetic if it were Rachel since she saved Cable's ass when he was a baby.

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#36 Posted by fesak (7046 posts) - - Show Bio

Except this one was birthed the normal way, not regressed.
I don't think it would work since she would have different genetics, unless the random Alaskans that were her parents also were Greys.

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#37 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   Well, if I remember correctly, Maddy was from Alaska! That could be a connection. And Maddy was also Cables mother. Hmm...that's starting to look like the right track. I kinda hope so, because she was screwed out of her happiness by that jerk Scott. It would be nice if she got the chance to start over again ;>)

   But, it's also possible that it's something else. For example, I said that the Red Queen might be Emma's sister...but now that I've reread it, I think she's a product of Empaths mind. After all, only Empath actully sees her, and she says to him that she can't be captured. Durring the breakout, only Empath is seen. It could be a situation like Perfection in Astonishing X-Men, where she was a figment or splinter personality of Emma's mind. The Red Queen my just be Empaths imagined version of Emma based on the reflected image of his former teacher.

#38 Posted by fesak (7046 posts) - - Show Bio

Madelyne was a clone grown in Sinister's lab.

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#39 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
John_Feaster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"i hate everyone last named Grey."

   Kind of a blanket statement, isn't it? Why hate Jean Grey?"
Jean Grey was one of my favorite character until she started becoming retardedly powerful and then the Phoenix saga came and completely decimated her storyline now every so often she comes back for more dumbass storyline.
Racheal Grey basically is Jean but younger
Nate Grey was ridiculously powerful...way to powerful for a reality manipulator and telepath..he had every and any random TK\TP power Marvel could think of


John_Feaster
said:
"   Well, I've just bought the "King-Size Cable #1" and trhe baby is now old enough to talk, and has aparently been with Cable for a while in the future. She calls Cable (Nathan Summers) "Nay-Nay", and can vocalize concepts like "No, Nay-Nay! No jump! I scared." I feel she is supposed to be either Jean Grey reborn, or perhaps Maddy. Cable's really trying his best to protect her, and Biship's being heartless as heck in his quest to kill her, though you also understand his reasons. After all, he's trying to prevent a disaster...but I still feel he's wrong.

   If you've read Uncanny X-Men 502, then you know that the Red Queen ISN'T Jean or Maddy, but someone who looks exactly like Emma Frost in a red wig. Perhaps one of her sisters? She still has one living sister, doesn't she? Or maybe a clone?"
I don't think Cable would protect the baby any differently if there wasn't a possibility that she was a relative.Who ever this baby grows up to be I hope she isn't anything like Jean,Madalyne,or Rachel.
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#40 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   I also think Cable (a stand-up guy) would protect the child no matter what.

   And for the record, I hope this is a new start for Jean or Madalyne as well. I hope it's Madalyne, so she can have a chance at the happiness that Scott robbed her of. I hope she doesn't just start to go all "Goblin Queen" or "Phoenix" at the drop of a hat. As I'va said before, once a writer has the Phoenix to work with as a character, they (unless they're Alan Davis) instantly start working on their big "I'm going mad with power!" story. Alan Davis used Rachel Summers well, but everyone else...well, I'd rather have Jean back as plain old "Marvel Girl" and leave well enough alone.

#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
John_Feaster said:
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   I also think Cable (a stand-up guy) would protect the child no matter what.

   And for the record, I hope this is a new start for Jean or Madalyne as well. I hope it's Madalyne, so she can have a chance at the happiness that Scott robbed her of. I hope she doesn't just start to go all "Goblin Queen" or "Phoenix" at the drop of a hat. As I'va said before, once a writer has the Phoenix to work with as a character, they (unless they're Alan Davis) instantly start working on their big "I'm going mad with power!" story. Alan Davis used Rachel Summers well, but everyone else...well, I'd rather have Jean back as plain old "Marvel Girl" and leave well enough alone.

"
I hope Jean and Madalyne cease to exist.They are horrible poorly developed characters.The Phoenix only makes for more worthless story arcs.I hope this baby is it's own person.Re-incarnation is lame.
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#42 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"John_Feaster said:
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   I also think Cable (a stand-up guy) would protect the child no matter what.

   And for the record, I hope this is a new start for Jean or Madalyne as well. I hope it's Madalyne, so she can have a chance at the happiness that Scott robbed her of. I hope she doesn't just start to go all "Goblin Queen" or "Phoenix" at the drop of a hat. As I'va said before, once a writer has the Phoenix to work with as a character, they (unless they're Alan Davis) instantly start working on their big "I'm going mad with power!" story. Alan Davis used Rachel Summers well, but everyone else...well, I'd rather have Jean back as plain old "Marvel Girl" and leave well enough alone.

"
I hope Jean and Madalyne cease to exist.They are horrible poorly developed characters.The Phoenix only makes for more worthless story arcs.I hope this baby is it's own person.Re-incarnation is lame."
   Ouch! You're making me sad! Jean was a wonderful character...but Jean as the "Phoenix" always leads to the same, dull story about power corrupting and such like that. That's why I'd rather not have to put up with another "Phoenix Force" saga. Even if done right, another writer's waiting in the wings to drag the original "Phoenix" storyline back into the picture.

   I'd rather not think of either Jean or Madalyne as bad characters. Just characters who've often been written poorly. All they need is a good writer, and they'll be just fine. Madalyne was well handled when she first appeared, untill they decided to bring Jean back the first time and had to "Get rid of Maddy" in a hurry. The poor woman was tossed aside, then her baby was stolen, and finally she was turned evil and driven mad. In a way, she's a very sad character. I'd like her to have a chance at happiness.

   Reincarnation's lame? I'd consider the Vance Aster in "Guardians" to be something of a temporal reincarnation, and that;'s not lame at all. It all depends on how you use the concept.
#43 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
John_Feaster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"John_Feaster said:
"

   I also think Cable (a stand-up guy) would protect the child no matter what.

   And for the record, I hope this is a new start for Jean or Madalyne as well. I hope it's Madalyne, so she can have a chance at the happiness that Scott robbed her of. I hope she doesn't just start to go all "Goblin Queen" or "Phoenix" at the drop of a hat. As I'va said before, once a writer has the Phoenix to work with as a character, they (unless they're Alan Davis) instantly start working on their big "I'm going mad with power!" story. Alan Davis used Rachel Summers well, but everyone else...well, I'd rather have Jean back as plain old "Marvel Girl" and leave well enough alone.

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I hope Jean and Madalyne cease to exist.They are horrible poorly developed characters.The Phoenix only makes for more worthless story arcs.I hope this baby is it's own person.Re-incarnation is lame."
   Ouch! You're making me sad! Jean was a wonderful character...but Jean as the "Phoenix" always leads to the same, dull story about power corrupting and such like that. That's why I'd rather not have to put up with another "Phoenix Force" saga. Even if done right, another writer's waiting in the wings to drag the original "Phoenix" storyline back into the picture.

   I'd rather not think of either Jean or Madalyne as bad characters. Just characters who've often been written poorly. All they need is a good writer, and they'll be just fine. Madalyne was well handled when she first appeared, untill they decided to bring Jean back the first time and had to "Get rid of Maddy" in a hurry. The poor woman was tossed aside, then her baby was stolen, and finally she was turned evil and driven mad. In a way, she's a very sad character. I'd like her to have a chance at happiness.

   Reincarnation's lame? I'd consider the Vance Aster in "Guardians" to be something of a temporal reincarnation, and that;'s not lame at all. It all depends on how you use the concept."
Vance Astro isn't a re-incarnation.He is Justice from another dimension.
Reincarnations are lame if your going to use a potentially new character as a vessel for a character people gave up on..A character who is only going to attract more of the same dumbass storylines.Even if they depower Jean..you'll never forget she was insanely powerful which led to her characters demise...and her existence is going to cause tension with Emma and Scott and so on and so forth.More of the same..I can't dealt with.
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#44 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   True enough about Vance Astro.

   And having once been insanely powerful isn't a bad thing. It gives her history. And tension with Scott and Emma? Well, so what? Scott would stay with Emma, and Jean would go off somewhere else...hopfully with Logan. He always loved her more anyway.

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone want Jean to be with Wolverine..you know how lame he'd be?

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#46 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Why does everyone want Jean to be with Wolverine..you know how lame he'd be?"
   We want what we want...even if it can't happen. I want the X-Men to be accepted and safe in San Francisco, but it'll all go south on them in the end.
#47 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
John_Feaster said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Why does everyone want Jean to be with Wolverine..you know how lame he'd be?"
   We want what we want...even if it can't happen. I want the X-Men to be accepted and safe in San Francisco, but it'll all go south on them in the end."
That's different...that's a plot device.We know the X-men aren't going to be safe in San Fran if they were they wouldn't be the X-men.Wolverine being with Jean would be weird and he would be watered down.
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#48 Posted by John_Feaster (341 posts) - - Show Bio

   Watered down? As if 30+ years of false history, memory implants, bone claws, "Noseless Pirate Mask" and dozens of other stupid twists haven't done that already. Yeay, we wouldn't want to ruin him THAT much, now whould we ;>)

   Let the guy be happy for a bit...

#49 Posted by Firechild (33 posts) - - Show Bio

U know the photo of the baby with Phoenix eyes...
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G-man,u r really observant.
I sure as hell didn't see that!!!!!!!!

#50 Posted by DMC (1551 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hope the baby is Jean Grey. IMO it would be a brilliant move by Marvel of slowly and quietly bringing Jean back into the Marvel U. And think of the symbolism behind it, since (if I'm correct) the Phoenix is a symbol of hope, Jean decides to be that symbol for the future of mutant kind and be reborn as the first mutant born after M-Day.

Plus there's this quote on Jean's Wikipedia page.

A recent interview panel at the San Diego Comic Con confirmed that there are discussions going on at Marvel involving Jean's eventual return, however it also stated that it's a story Marvel doesn't want to rush.
So why rush, take it slow and keep it quiet, because writing a big event for Jean's return has been done already.

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