Jean Grey With Or Without The Phoenix?

Posted by Dragoness1993 (268 posts) - - Show Bio

Who does everyone prefer, Jean with the Phoenix Force or without it?

#1 Posted by SC (11970 posts) - - Show Bio

With out!!!!!!! PF is great for these big dramatic one off stories, and we have had enough of those with Jean already! So just let her hair down and have some mundane but well written small human stories, or in my opinion, go the Morrison route, which (early series stuff, not the stuff when he went to kill her) which was a toned down version. 

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#2 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
With out!!!!!!! PF is great for these big dramatic one off stories, and we have had enough of those with Jean already! So just let her hair down and have some mundane but well written small human stories, or in my opinion, go the Morrison route, which (early series stuff, not the stuff when he went to kill her) which was a toned down version. 
I agree with this^
#3 Posted by Dragoness1993 (268 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she should have it, it make her a stronger character and makes her more interesting :)

#4 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean with the Phoenix makes every other character irrelevant besides its been done over and over and over, let it go

#5 Posted by Aqua11500 (2647 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dragoness1993 said:
I think she should have it, it make her a stronger character and makes her more interesting :)
It also makes her character redundant and keeps her dead -_- 
 
@WarMachineMarkV said:
Jean with the Phoenix makes every other character irrelevant besides its been done over and over and over, let it go
Exactly. 
 
 
no PF.it has ruined her and screwed her character around for to long.
#6 Posted by Mercy_ (92085 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC
With out!!!!!!! PF is great for these big dramatic one off stories, and we have had enough of those with Jean already! So just let her hair down and have some mundane but well written small human stories, or in my opinion, go the Morrison route, which (early series stuff, not the stuff when he went to kill her) which was a toned down version. 
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#7 Posted by Dragoness1993 (268 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I think she is more interesting with the PF, but she's been possessed by it way too many times. I think it would be cool if she had the PF, but had more control of it and didn't keep dying :(

#8 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2310 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dragoness1993 said:
To be honest, I think she is more interesting with the PF, but she's been possessed by it way too many times. I think it would be cool if she had the PF, but had more control of it and didn't keep dying :(
I like her with it but I'd rather her just have a phoenix echo that way she has boosted powers, remains a contender, but leaves her more on a normal level so she can be on a team with normal mutants. The full phoenix always leads to her death
#9 Posted by Wattup (648 posts) - - Show Bio

Without it. I'm so sick of the Phoenix Force. Let the concept die and create NEW stories, dammit!

#10 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18683 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
With out!!!!!!! PF is great for these big dramatic one off stories, and we have had enough of those with Jean already! So just let her hair down and have some mundane but well written small human stories, or in my opinion, go the Morrison route, which (early series stuff, not the stuff when he went to kill her) which was a toned down version. 
Agreed! 
#11 Posted by Thorion88 (310 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
With out!!!!!!! PF is great for these big dramatic one off stories, and we have had enough of those with Jean already! So just let her hair down and have some mundane but well written small human stories, or in my opinion, go the Morrison route, which (early series stuff, not the stuff when he went to kill her) which was a toned down version. 
This, let the PF goes die off in a dark part of space.
#12 Posted by Edamame (28010 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer Jean Grey to be without the Phoenix Force. 

#13 Posted by Zjd106 (77 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked her with and without it, but i think it would be awesome if she dies for good at some point (no white hot room business) 

#14 Posted by Hoarderofhilarity (299 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Grey with the phoenix force is tremendously monotonous, If they could just bring her back with a slight power boost that would be fantasazastix let the phoenix force bond with galactus or some thing to finally stop him getting beaten on by people.

#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

WITHOUT.

 
And original powerset thank you. She's too bloody God Mode all the time now.
#16 Posted by Jake Fury (17924 posts) - - Show Bio

WITHOUT!
#17 Posted by ironshadow (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer Jean Grey DEAD.

#18 Posted by SecretKnight (82 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Jean without the Phoenix it knida screwed up her whole life so I like her without.
#19 Posted by Roddy010 (4931 posts) - - Show Bio

I like her when she has the Phoenix Raptor...That way she is still a powerful omega level mutant without being too powerful...Its a nice balance of power...

#20 Posted by thewidowsbite (138 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer her without it. Though I am a huge Jean fan and am by no means a Phoenix-hater, I feel it cheats her character. She is tremendously powerful with it, yet keeps getting killed off whenever she has it. A major part of the reason Jean keeps getting killed off is because with the Phoenix she's too powerful to really be a part of a team (since she'd be powerful enough to solo every battle and render the team useless and unable to get a punch in) and the writers don't know what to do with her. I think they need to reton the whole "Jean and the Phoenix being one" thing and let the force fly off into the cosmos for a few millenia. I want fresher and more original stories for her because everytime she shows up the story revolves around her and her connection to the Phoenix. Furthermore she needs to be without it because people have forgotten how formidable she is on her own. Almost every battle I've seen on the vine with her in it has almost everyone (even many Jean supporters!) basically saying that Jean is nothing without the Phoenix and that she'd need it to face almost any foe. Writers need to display the range of power and skill attainable to her without calling on the Phoenix, and show what an omega-level mutant can really do! No matter what any naysayers have to say about her, Jean Grey is far too special and unique to be ignored and left dead (hence her always coming back).
 
Let Jean shine, Jean alone!
#21 Posted by GREGalicious (464 posts) - - Show Bio

Its really too late considering Jean's now the physical embodiment of the PHOENIX. I cant imagine her w/out it and at this point, it would be like Wolverine w/out his claws. 
While i do like how they have slowly over the years revealed more about her relationship to the Phoenix, writers just need to find a balance and not make every Jean story, a Phoenix story...and pair her w/ WOLVERINE already.

#22 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Without. She sucks either way, but she's utterly repulsive when she's Phoenix, aka Captain God Mode Sue.

#23 Posted by TheRealJeanGrey (127 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the dynamic that her and the PF share... Tho I understand others perspective when they say it makes her redundant and a joke....And I believe that a GOOD writer can make anything work... but if i have to choose i say without.... She's still the best telepath...lol.... i kno im gonna get it for that.
#24 Posted by marvellover1 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly cant see jean not having the phoenix now, they did became one, i like her both ways, the phoenix gives her character more depth, but i can see why people prefer jean alone.

#25 Posted by fenixREVOLUTION (884 posts) - - Show Bio

I would rather see her without the Phoenix Force, so she can hopefully stick around and not get killed off.

#26 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3274 posts) - - Show Bio
@fenixREVOLUTION said:
I would rather see her without the Phoenix Force, so she can hopefully stick around and not get killed off.
Everytime they try that, the writers get bored of her power set and decide to amp them up. Not sure how old you are but she went through the 80s on the original X-Factor team and most of the 90s with no Phoenix Force. 
#27 Edited by ssstarquin (60 posts) - - Show Bio

with.. but da writers dont seem to b able to handle omnipotent powers wit mutants well.... so 4 now.. without.. but cant keep da white pOTcrown without da PF 4 long i guess... comes with da character..

#28 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3274 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssstarquin: Writers have issues writing for nigh-omnipotent characters whether they are mutants or not, especially if they are in a team-based book.The problem is exacerbated with the X-Men because such a major theme was related to race, class and physical issues, and a nearly omnipotent character doesn't get affected by those so those.

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