We're all aware that the Phoenix Force will be returning in Avengers vs. X-Men to seep its cosmic claws into a certain Mutant Messiah. However, the solicit for the upcoming event has coloured me confused and wary of yet another example of disregard for continuity.

It was established at the end of Phoenix: Endsong that Jean has been in The White Hot Room collecting fragments of the Phoenix Force to make her and it whole again (since they are now canonically one). We have seen this when the Cuckoos' Phoenix fragments were sapped from their bodies, as it happened with Rachel Grey and Korvus' Phoenix Blade.

This has been building up for years, and Jean herself has appeared to Emma in prophetic visions. So my question is, where is she? It has been revealed today that the Secret Avengers will go into space to fight the Phoenix Force itself head on, but how is it alone? What happened in The White Hot Room to separate the two and for the PF to return to Earth? Or is Jean still the White Crown Phoenix and it is her they'll be facing, and if she is, what need does the Phoenix need Hope Summers for?

I guess what my main concern is, will Jean Grey's recent history be eradicated in order to make way for a big whoopla with the Phoenix and Hope, or should we have more faith in the writers at Marvel to acknowledge stories setting these rules before them?

All will be revealed in the coming months, but of course what's an X-Men event without speculation?

COME BACK JEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, the Avengers are going to cop it. I, personally, think the Avengers will be annihilated if they don't contain somehow. No one is powerful enough to control or destroy the Phoenix out of the Avengers. This is the thing that killed 6 billion lives on a whim. I think Marvel must have some master plan though.

With Jean? I think she's returning. As Jean said is Endsong, that she is Phoenix and the Phoenix is her, I'd say Jean might return in some shape of form.

I sort of get the concept of the White Hot Room mostly, but then again I have no idea how it works, so maybe Phoenix destroyed it somehow and now she's unleashed.

This is very terrible theory but one I am sticking to. My theory about Hope is that it has been established that she has a human mother (whom she inherited her red hair from, so she is not a Grey), but no father has been mentioned. My guess is that the Phoenix made Hope's mother pregnant, connected her to theme of a messiah, hence an immaculate conception, to create a host powerful enough to contain it on Earth. Phoenix did this because she was now too Godlike since her and Jean merged, and now wants to have the "human experience" once more. Long shot, but just a theory.

Maybe these are pieces of the Phoenix Force that Jean is collecting but hasn't gotten around to yet.

I believe Jean/The Phoenix is responsible for creating Hope in order to save the mutant race. Ya know the whole death and rebirth thing?

I think Jean Grey is coming back soooooooon, maybe a few months after the AvX....because Marvel is going to follow it up with more storylines.

No, you should not have faith in the writers at Marvel to do anything well.

I don't think so, and mainly because Jason Aaron is putting his input and control into this, and he just made light of her history and had here show up as well in his Wolverine Goes To Hell arc.

* White Phoenix/Jean accompanies the soul of 616 Nightcrawler in Wolverine #8 respectively, contacting Wolverine and telling him to let her go in the same manner she did Scott. Nightcrawler tells Wolverine Heaven has the best beer, Scott overhears Wolverine call out Jeans name and drills him a bit about, but Wolverine refuses to tell him what happened.

@jrock85 said:

No, you should not have faith in the writers at Marvel to do anything well.

First of all, I would like to say that I like your "immaculate concepcion" idea. Second, I think that Jean Grey is already back as Hope Summers, my theory is that maybe, because of the chaos that is going on between the humanity and the mutants with the addition of the House of M, maybe, the Phoenix decided to reincarnate Jean immediately so she can do something about this event and if ever, prevent the upcoming dark events for the mutants as a messiah. I read somewhere in the internet ( I forgot what site it is) that Phoenix let Jean Grey die in the hands of Xorn/Magneto in order to be reincarnated again in the future whenever the world needs the help of Phoenix. Maybe, the phoenix did was to seperate itself from Jean for a mean time and let Jean reincarnated as a human again which is Hope Summers.With the tension that is going on with the X-Men, maybe, the Phoenix decided to appear again and merge to Hope in order to be Jean again to prevent the tension between the X-Men.

Well, this is just my speculation....

Marvel just can't let anyone stay dead (except for Uncle Ben).

Jean coming back for anything more than a brief period of time will make Marvel all the weaker in their storytelling.

@Billy Batson said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

Marvel just can't let anyone stay dead (except for Uncle Ben).

Jean coming back for anything more than a brief period of time will make Marvel all the weaker in their storytelling.

bah, Uncle Ben appeared in Spider-Island :p
BB

lol, but he isn't back from the dead :P

I quite simply want Jean to stay dead.

Hopefully the phoenix has realized Jean is dead weight and left her behind. I hate to be petty but I may honestly stop reading Marvel as a whole if Jean returns

@A-Strondinaire said:

@BlackArmor: Honestly are you reading the posts or running straight to the comments?

I read the post but I didn't read the comments, I want Marvel to disregard Jean's recent developments, I know she's alive in the white room but I want Marvel to do what their good at and ignore their past writings and just say she's always been dead

@A-Strondinaire said:

But what kind of sense does that make it doesn't respect the characters source or writing style its just saying hey Jean hasn't done anything in a while might as well kill her.

.....This is Marvel that kinds thing is their calling card and for the first time ever I'm actually hoping they stick with it

with what i have found is that everyone has said the phoenix is collecting its pieces well what about that the phoenix is coming to hope summers because she has the last fragment of the phoenix force and then jean grey will be reborn as some of the cuckoo's fragments was leaked into hope when she was reborn this could be somthing!

Its not like the X-Men have become more popular since Jean's "death".

@Billy Batson said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

Marvel just can't let anyone stay dead (except for Uncle Ben).

Jean coming back for anything more than a brief period of time will make Marvel all the weaker in their storytelling.

bah, Uncle Ben appeared in Spider-Island :p
BB

JMS had Uncle Ben revived briefly in Amazing Spider-man 500. Doctor Strange's idea of a birthday present to Peter.

@Lion_Heart22 said:

It was in that moment, when all hope had faded, that Jean Grey, the White Crown Phoenix reappeared on this earth and helped vanquish the threat of the Phoenix Force...

Ok, so maybe not, but if they do bring her back, I'll have her stay for good this time. With Jean specifically, death is becoming quite a joke. Comics book characters dying and coming back is not strange at all anymore, but for a character like Jean, who is supossed to be one with the power of the Phoenix, to remain dead...

Like another person said, she wasn't really "dead", but in the White Hot Room. Marvel just likes to say she is to... idk, maybe to try and make death seem like a menace in Marvel U.... not really sure why. Thor "died" and he's back for AvsX so if that's their goal in keeping Jean "dead" all this time, they're failing at it.

I like the AoA Jean in uncanny x-force because she had the phoenix force but she wasn't overpowered she seemed to be written with a high power level but it wasn't insane. I say bring her back but write her like that Jean Grey was because she seemed to be handled far better than the 616 jean has.

I'm curious why the PF that is head towards earth looks like rachel's powers while she had the PF echo.

@The Dark Huntress said:

Booooooooooo Jean.

my sentiments exactly

So long as the Phoenix leaves her alone I'll be happy.

@jrock85 said:

No, you should not have faith in the writers at Marvel to do anything well.

THIS!!! THIS!!! AND THIS!! FTW!!

i think madelyne pryor will be invovled too. i mean if the latest incarnation was infact TRULY her then what about the phoenix fragment that was in her. maybe the whole Sisterhood of Mutants storyline bore more then we saw. what if when maddie went into the body she gained access to the white hot room & boots jean out or atleast wrestles the force from her..... i mean as jean's clone wouldnt maddie start to tap into the force the same way jean did in New X-men..... )JustSayin

afraid not seem's nobody at marvel want's jean back and there trying to divorce the PF from jean. So we get a cheap look alike destined to save the mutant race with the darker side of the PF. I mean how can you expect any less when the PF destroyed how many world's an it's way to earth. Come on marvel if your going to piss on your backstory at least do it with an new idea.

Which is to bad I like hope I'd like her better without the phoenix hanging over her head.

@Crimsonlord53 said:

afraid not seem's nobody at marvel want's jean back and there trying to divorce the PF from jean. So we get a cheap look alike destined to save the mutant race with the darker side of the PF. I mean how can you expect any less when the PF destroyed how many world's an it's way to earth. Come on marvel if your going to piss on your backstory at least do it with an new idea.

Which is to bad I like hope I'd like her better without the phoenix hanging over her head.

It bothers me that marvel doesn't want jean back being she's a big part of the X-men in more ways than one. As for the PF destroying worlds well.. hate to burst your bubble it seems to be cleansing them in the form of burning them and having life reborn as part of a rebirth process. (this is shown in infinite comics 1 when nova is trying to warn the avengers, in the latest issue of Secret Avengers)

The PF has it's own agenda in mind it just can't act based on the fact it's been fragmented at least that's what i believe

When I read that issue that brought a smile to my face.

My dream: Jeam ressurects and tell Cyclops and wolverine how stupid they have been!

@Mercy_ said:

Oh, yes, I'm sure Emma Frost's sex appeal is the sole reason for the X-Men becoming more popular. I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that she's a far more interesting character or the quality of writing (barring Fraction).

To each their but really it does come down to the writer.

With that said, the same can be done with Jean, but they always put her in the Love triangle begging for scott/needing scott role far too much which makes it more boring. Her 1610 and 295 counterparts are by far more interesting hell in XmFC and Season 1 hella interesting. I see AvX a perfect time for Jean to comeback even if its at the very end of the event cause at least now it'll make sense but actually branch her out.

Sadly that's to good of and Idea for marvel so it wont happen

I'd like to see her back more mature having accepted scott has moved on and having done so herself. I think having her be an avenger proving to steve rogers that the phoenix is contained/dormant would be an interesting dynamic. Or take hope as a student and train her which none of the current X titles have shown working.

Or with scott bat s*** crazy maybe she leads the X men.

Really hate the idea that marvel is trying to rewrite the past.

" We are Phoenix" seem's definitive to me.