Did Cyclops cheat on Jean Grey?

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#1 Edited by time (4841 posts) - - Show Bio

 A lot views have been shared on this topic and one I think i realize, not many people can agree on the same thing. So i think it would be a good idea to create a thread to answer this question. How many of you think he did and how many of you think he didn't. Please share your views. 

#2 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18818 posts) - - Show Bio

Weren't they married until she died? So it seems like it to me that he did lol

#3 Posted by time (4841 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I think he did, some other people think he didn't.

#4 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18818 posts) - - Show Bio
@time: I don't see how he didn't lmao
#5 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

Did anthony wiener cheat on his wife? 
 
No physical contact, equivalent of porn + strip club basically, but there was another person involved and he's a married man. So it's a gray area, but I'd side with "yes."

#6 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

Errrr, he was right between the borders. Then she allowed him to be with Emma.

#7 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Are fantasies and porn cheating?
 
No. Then the psychic affair isn't cheating.

#8 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
Are fantasies and porn cheating?  No. Then the psychic affair isn't cheating.
More like "is phone-sex cheating?"
#9 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends what you call cheating. Bottom line? I don't think he did, and honestly? I would've done the same thing if I was in his position. 

#10 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

What dumbass would cheat on a psychic?

#11 Posted by tbone1225 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops was dating Jean Grey and then she died. So he married Madelyne Pryor. He didn't cheat on Jean Grey. When Jean Grey returned he abandoned his wife and child for Jean Grey. Technically, he cheated on Madelyne Pryor. Cyclops got married to Jean Grey, and then she died again. After his wife was dead, he started dating Emma Frost. Technically speaking, so long as a widower dating someone else is not cheating, Cyclops is not a cheater, at least not on Jean Grey. Of course, when you know that your girlfriend can come back from the dead and has the power of a Phoenix which is known for rebirth, there might be some new superhero standard for cheating.

#12 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg said:
@TheCrowbar said:
Are fantasies and porn cheating?  No. Then the psychic affair isn't cheating.
More like "is phone-sex cheating?"
Pathetic? Yes
Cheating? Not really
#13 Posted by SC (12675 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on your definition. Not just because it depends on your definition, but because the writer was trying to be specifically ambiguous. Cyclops and Jean both cheated on each other a little, to me, because the writer is the type, like Peter David to present characters as a bit more flawed, and a bit more human. Cheating is not the end of the world, and its not some major victory that characters can hold over each other as some sign of superiority, and usually its dealing with pretty complicated emotional issues, which are usually ignored, because when did highly volatile emotional issues, equate to rational conversation? Don't buy the excuse that because its psychic it doesn't count, in Marvel, psychic energy is real and it can be used to kill people and its powerful enough to circumvent all a persons senses, and thus make it feel real. I don't buy the excuse that Cyclops is some soft spine weakling who was taken advantage of by Emma Frost. Oh but she forced herself on him, oh noses. I don't buy the excuse that Jean is some blessed Mary who can do no wrong and that she did not exercise behavior which constitutes as emotional betrayal. I haven't seen many excuses made on Emma's behalf, but I'd address some there if I had. (Emma fans <3) Ultimately whose behavior do I feel was most out of line? Well, Cyclops true, but I am not judging him, I don't think what he did was that wrong either actually. Plus I know the guy writing him, wanted to explore this aspect of the character and I won't victimize Jean, by viewing her as this person incapable of actually not confronting Cyclops more openly, or denying her of the right of having second thoughts and wavering emotions and the capacity to cheat as well by the same measure as Cyclops. Anyway, this is fiction. Personally I prefer characters being a tiny bit shinier. I would have been okay of Cyclops and Jean talked to each other and made the mutual decision to stop seeing each other, but they would have hardly been as popular as what Morrison made them act. 

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#14 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

To me? he cheated.

#15 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Quick poll: Who was reading X-men when the cheating happened?

#16 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

At first i thought he did but looking at the circumstances even if they were married it wasn't cheating, at-least not on Scotts part -_- 
@TheCrowbar: Me

#17 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar: Me.
#18 Posted by thewidowsbite (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar
And Me. 
 
Scott cheated on Jean because, as SC brilliantly put it, telepathy can make things essentially real for those effected by it. Emma and Scott may not have actually touched during the time the situation took place, but her telepathy made it feel so real that they might as well have. For telepaths, especially those on Jean and Emma's levels, a psychic bond is something that is sacred and powerful. It is symbolic to the love the telepath shares with the other person linked. Scott and Jean had such a bond, and for Scott to partake in a psychic affair in which that bond would have had to be tampered with or supressed (as Jean would have been aware of the affair from the start) in order to remain inconspicuous, it would be just as bad as physically cheating if not worse. In real life fantasies and dreams would obviously not be cheating, but in the world where such thoughts can stimulate any and all senses just as much if those thoughts are taken into action, it makes it very much cheating in my opinion.
#19 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
@time: I don't see how he didn't lmao
Not being a d!ck, but did you actually read it? He's guilty of nothing more than a few stray thoughts. In fact, he thought Emma was Jean. He tells her to stop pretending to be his wife.  
If anyone's responsible, it's Emma.
#20 Posted by RazzaTazz (9478 posts) - - Show Bio

I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  

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#21 Edited by time (4841 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:



                    I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  

John  Valentine, you should take notes. Totally agree with you @RazzaTazz. 

By the way Cyclops did see Emma change into Jean clothes, he was fully aware of what she was doing and was aware of his own actions.  
Then he took of on his bike, like a coward afer Jean got angry at Emma.  John, you seems to be following me around and stating yours views  on what I have to say. It's kind of strange.   

               


@thewidowsbite said:



                    @TheCrowbar: And Me.  Scott cheated on Jean because, as SC brilliantly put it, telepathy can make things essentially real for those effected by it. Emma and Scott may not have actually touched during the time the situation took place, but her telepathy made it feel so real that they might as well have. For telepaths, especially those on Jean and Emma's levels, a psychic bond is something that is sacred and powerful. It is symbolic to the love the telepath shares with the other person linked. Scott and Jean had such a bond, and for Scott to partake in a psychic affair in which that bond would have had to be tampered with or supressed (as Jean would have been aware of the affair from the start) in order to remain inconspicuous, it would be just as bad as physically cheating if not worse. In real life fantasies and dreams would obviously not be cheating, but in the world where such thoughts can stimulate any and all senses just as much if those thoughts are taken into action, it makes it very much cheating in my opinion.

                    
Couldn't of said it better myself. Completely agree with you.
               

#22 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18818 posts) - - Show Bio
@John Valentine: It's on my list of stuff i have to read. From the images i've seen it's a bit easy to be misunderstood, but thank you for mentioning that.
#23 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
@John Valentine: It's on my list of stuff i have to read. From the images i've seen it's a bit easy to be misunderstood, but thank you for mentioning that.
No worries, the whole run is pretty fantastic. Well worth the read if you have the chance!
#24 Posted by jubilee042 (1353 posts) - - Show Bio
@thewidowsbite said:
@TheCrowbar: And Me.  Scott cheated on Jean because, as SC brilliantly put it, telepathy can make things essentially real for those effected by it. Emma and Scott may not have actually touched during the time the situation took place, but her telepathy made it feel so real that they might as well have. For telepaths, especially those on Jean and Emma's levels, a psychic bond is something that is sacred and powerful. It is symbolic to the love the telepath shares with the other person linked. Scott and Jean had such a bond, and for Scott to partake in a psychic affair in which that bond would have had to be tampered with or supressed (as Jean would have been aware of the affair from the start) in order to remain inconspicuous, it would be just as bad as physically cheating if not worse. In real life fantasies and dreams would obviously not be cheating, but in the world where such thoughts can stimulate any and all senses just as much if those thoughts are taken into action, it makes it very much cheating in my opinion.
soooott is a cheater pants and she is perfectly right  if telepathy can make it like marvel 3d then he cheated on her and scott said that it was wrong but he gave in to his deepest desires and besides hes already cheated on madelyne i don't know why there is no thread for that even if she was a clone she was a living breathing person
#25 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4691 posts) - - Show Bio

Cheating is cheating, regardless of marriage or simple relationships. It's the intent that sums up the unfaithful.

#26 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:
I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  
But Jean eye-****ing Logan every 14 seconds is ok? 
 
 
 
And again, he didn't cheat. 
1. They didn't sleep together. 
2. Jean was a passive aggressive, emotionally abusive woman who flirted with Wolverine every chance she got. 
3. Telepathy isn't real life. Imaging sleeping with someone isn't the same as doing it. 
4. Emma was manipulating him. 
5. IT WASN'T REAL
#27 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@jubilee042 said:
@thewidowsbite said:
@TheCrowbar: And Me.  Scott cheated on Jean because, as SC brilliantly put it, telepathy can make things essentially real for those effected by it. Emma and Scott may not have actually touched during the time the situation took place, but her telepathy made it feel so real that they might as well have. For telepaths, especially those on Jean and Emma's levels, a psychic bond is something that is sacred and powerful. It is symbolic to the love the telepath shares with the other person linked. Scott and Jean had such a bond, and for Scott to partake in a psychic affair in which that bond would have had to be tampered with or supressed (as Jean would have been aware of the affair from the start) in order to remain inconspicuous, it would be just as bad as physically cheating if not worse. In real life fantasies and dreams would obviously not be cheating, but in the world where such thoughts can stimulate any and all senses just as much if those thoughts are taken into action, it makes it very much cheating in my opinion.
soooott is a cheater pants and she is perfectly right  if telepathy can make it like marvel 3d then he cheated on her and scott said that it was wrong but he gave in to his deepest desires and besides hes already cheated on madelyne i don't know why there is no thread for that even if she was a clone she was a living breathing person
Madelyne kicked him out. They were separated, he didn't cheat.
#28 Posted by SC (12675 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@RazzaTazz said:
I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  
But Jean eye-****ing Logan every 14 seconds is ok?     And again, he didn't cheat.  1. They didn't sleep together. 3. Telepathy isn't real life. Imaging sleeping with someone isn't the same as doing it.  
 
How is what Jean does or Cyclops does, relate to the quote you addressed? Two different wrongs don't make a right. Especially when the two wrongs are different, subjectively and objectively. Plus how does one even measure or quantify eye... what you said. Seems rather subjective. I mean, Cyclops has eye what you said, with Psylocke, Rogue, Xavier, Wolverine, the Cuckoos, and Pixies now, because some random decides it? Jean? She eye.. what you said with an entire planet once.  
 
Also I wanted to address your other point. If Cassandra Nova killed Cyclops telepathically, its not 'real', so it didn't happen? 
 
That's just my curiosity mind you. 
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#29 Posted by SC (12675 posts) - - Show Bio
@sesquipedalophobe said:
Cheating is cheating, regardless of marriage or simple relationships. It's the intent that sums up the unfaithful.
 
That's really nice and to the point. 
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#30 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

physical no, spiritual and emotional yes.
#31 Posted by Stuka69 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Eat...thinking ain´t cheatin`

 
#32 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4691 posts) - - Show Bio

An example would be one ex-girlfriend staying out all night with a guy from work as I paced around the house, wondering if she had gotten into an accident. When she came home, she burst into tears saying she still wanted to be with me, but it was beyond me with all of her sobs. After she told me the excuse that she went to bed with someone but didn't have sex with him, therefore it wasn't cheating: I still left her. The feeling of someone being unfaithful is utterly terrible. Telepathy just seems like writer's block.

#33 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@RazzaTazz said:
I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  
But Jean eye-****ing Logan every 14 seconds is ok?     And again, he didn't cheat.  1. They didn't sleep together. 3. Telepathy isn't real life. Imaging sleeping with someone isn't the same as doing it.  
 How is what Jean does or Cyclops does, relate to the quote you addressed? Two different wrongs don't make a right. Especially when the two wrongs are different, subjectively and objectively. Plus how does one even measure or quantify eye... what you said. Seems rather subjective. I mean, Cyclops has eye what you said, with Psylocke, Rogue, Xavier, Wolverine, the Cuckoos, and Pixies now, because some random decides it? Jean? She eye.. what you said with an entire planet once.   Also I wanted to address your other point. If Cassandra Nova killed Cyclops telepathically, its not 'real', so it didn't happen?  That's just my curiosity mind you. 
Well, let's look at it this way. Each time Jean died, Scott had to get over her. She then came back, expected everything to be the same, and would constantly flirt with Wolverine at every opportunity. Eye-****ing just being a dysphemism for flirtation. Now, randomly kissing and flirting with some guy is one thing, but doing it with the guy who's an exact opposite of your husband (who has confidence and self-esteem issues), and who also admonishes your husband and questions his authority at every possible turn is just awful. Jean's an emotionally abusive witch, and Scott is still the one who cops all the flack. 
 
Scott's attraction to Psylocke was induced by her telepathy, as was Emma's ability to manipulate him. She dressed up as his wife, and probed his mind for his deepest desires, then brought them to life. Who's to say she didn't manipulate him too? 
And being killed telepathically is brain death. That's a poor comparison SC. Brain death =/= thinking about sex. 
 
Was it a crappy thing to do? Yeah. Was it cheating? No. Was it justified? Yes. Is Jean a horrible "person"? Yes. 
 
I'm so sick of Scott being vilified when his wife was so much worse. What is it about Jean that brings out the naive and sanctimonious elements in people?
#34 Posted by RazzaTazz (9478 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt

 
I am far from an X-Men expert so I have to assume all what you say is true.  The original question though was not "Did Scott cheat on Jean who already cheated on him?" it was did Scott cheat on Jean.  I think that has been answered.

 

 

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#35 Edited by SC (12675 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@SC said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@RazzaTazz said:
I see cheating as the breach of intimacy a relationship.  If your relationship is mostly physical then a breach means sex, if your relationship is built on a deeper emotional connection, then pretty much anything is a breach of the intimacy.  
But Jean eye-****ing Logan every 14 seconds is ok?     And again, he didn't cheat.  1. They didn't sleep together. 3. Telepathy isn't real life. Imaging sleeping with someone isn't the same as doing it.  
 How is what Jean does or Cyclops does, relate to the quote you addressed? Two different wrongs don't make a right. Especially when the two wrongs are different, subjectively and objectively. Plus how does one even measure or quantify eye... what you said. Seems rather subjective. I mean, Cyclops has eye what you said, with Psylocke, Rogue, Xavier, Wolverine, the Cuckoos, and Pixies now, because some random decides it? Jean? She eye.. what you said with an entire planet once.   Also I wanted to address your other point. If Cassandra Nova killed Cyclops telepathically, its not 'real', so it didn't happen?  That's just my curiosity mind you. 
Well, let's look at it this way. Each time Jean died, Scott had to get over her. She then came back, expected everything to be the same, and would constantly flirt with Wolverine at every opportunity. Eye-****ing just being a dysphemism for flirtation. Now, randomly kissing and flirting with some guy is one thing, but doing it with the guy who's an exact opposite of your husband (who has confidence and self-esteem issues), and who also admonishes your husband and questions his authority at every possible turn is just awful. Jean's an emotionally abusive witch, and Scott is still the one who cops all the flack.   Scott's attraction to Psylocke was induced by her telepathy, as was Emma's ability to manipulate him. She dressed up as his wife, and probed his mind for his deepest desires, then brought them to life. Who's to say she didn't manipulate him too?  And being killed telepathically is brain death. That's a poor comparison SC. Brain death =/= thinking about sex.   Was it a crappy thing to do? Yeah. Was it cheating? No. Was it justified? Yes. Is Jean a horrible "person"? Yes.   I'm so sick of Scott being vilified when his wife was so much worse. What is it about Jean that brings out the naive and sanctimonious elements in people?
 
That's all well and good, but your inserting characters, which you like, and dislike, and we both know this, into situations which we can look at objectively. That were being looked at objectively, and stated objectively. I mean, no one was vilifying Scott in the post you quoted and I didn't, nor did anyone say Jean was blameless either. No one said anything about Jean or Scott, so to me, its like your inserting those elements and then subsequent judgments but not everyone is making judgments or applying subjective feelings. 
 
Then, no, my comparison is not poor, because in real life, people can't kill other people with their thoughts. So to suggest a psychic affair is just two people thinking about having sex with each other is to suggest that psychically killing another person, is just the same as thinking someone dead. So is it?  (its not poor, because its NOT a comparison, but more a genuine question you see, one I have an answer for personally, that I arrived to, away from these characters and actions)
 
So your defending Cyclops against anything that's not pro Cyclops? Even things that don't actually take him into consideration? Even to the point of contradiction? (Betsy was just thinking, so Scotts attraction to her must be 'his fault' because she was just having some thoughts?) I mean, I obviously don't think that. I remove the characters and observe the actions and then apply consistency.  
 
As far as my opinion? Well I think Scott is vilified too but also gets excused so, so much. Nothing wrong with what he did at all to me. I mean nothing needs to be justified. It wasn't crappy thing to do, and no one is horrible lol Ideally him and jean could have talked to each other and realized they had grown apart and then made a mutual decision to separate but both were written to lack balls, so they avoided each other a lot. Nothing wrong with that either. 
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#36 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:

@FadeToBlackBolt

 
I am far from an X-Men expert so I have to assume all what you say is true.  The original question though was not "Did Scott cheat on Jean who already cheated on him?" it was did Scott cheat on Jean.  I think that has been answered.

 

 

Fair enough. I apologise that you were the person who copped my @reply. 
 
#37 Posted by SC (12675 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:

am far from an X-Men expert so I have to assume all what you say is true.  The original question though was not "Did Scott cheat on Jean who already cheated on him?" it was did Scott cheat on Jean.  I think that has been answered.

 
This might help. Superman and Lois are going though a rough patch. Lois fans probably blame Superman, and Superman fans probably blame Lois. Martian Manhunter rolls up and start communicating with Lois psychically. Lois is a bit hesitant and expresses at times, reluctance but at the same time, I mean... Jonn... he's nice and trying to help + its only mental right? Then they have a psychic relationship) 
 
This thread sort of asks whether Lois cheated on Superman.  
 
So your original statement is pretty objective and un-bias and essentially truth in its simplicity and ambiguity. Now, we go back to the Superman fans and Lois fans, and thus, we perhaps see some subjective interpretation as to who might be at fault? Maybe? Of course there might be fans like me, who don't think there is fault to apply in such a situation, by account of Superman and Lois essentially being done, as opposed to going though a rough patch. Neither Superman or Lois were trying to patch things up and neither seemed to want to, and basically Martian Manhunter was a catalyst to push them apart faster. No the question of whether Superman cheated first? Well, that's as potentially a complicated subject if one wants to make it such. Just like this one. Or likewise its as simple as one wants. 
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#38 Edited by Dragoness1993 (268 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops never cheated on Jean with Emma physically,  it was a sort of a mental affair which  can still be classed as cheating. However, this can be speculated as he didn't actually start a physical relationship with Emma until Jean died.

#39 Posted by GTG12 (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

To me he did.
#40 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18818 posts) - - Show Bio
@John Valentine: Hopefully i'll get it before the summer ends :]
#41 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey, I know what we can do….. how about talk about Jean Grey as a home-wreaker? 

#42 Posted by riri4life (7189 posts) - - Show Bio

Scott is a cheating d-bag WHORE! No question. ;)

#43 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio
@riri4life said:
Scott is a cheating d-bag WHORE! No question. ;)
Go away.
#44 Posted by riri4life (7189 posts) - - Show Bio

....truth hurts

#45 Edited by jorgeareizaga (296 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cyclops did it, he can not control his man tool,  first Madeleyne and now with Emma, his crotch deserves to be hard punished

#46 Posted by Topher5151992 (138 posts) - - Show Bio

In regards to the question at hand, Scott did emotionally/mentally cheat on his wife. Just because it wasn't technically physical (even though it felt that way due to Emma) doesn't mean it wasn't cheating. Also, Scott really thought that Emma was qualified to give him any form of marriage counseling because she was a "sex therapist/specialist/whatever"? Where did Emma get this certification, and what the heck can someone who can tell you how to spice up your sex life help save a marriage? Poor judgment on Scott's part.  Scott should have manned up and tried to work things out with his wife, not some glorified stripper.  However, Jean should have also (wo)manned up and talked to her husband who was clearly a mess after being possessed by Apocalypse instead of taking her international trips for X-Corps. And, Jean was not perfect and was starting to emotionally lean on Wolvie when things were getting rough but Wolvie didn't take advantage of that and they stayed friends. I don't believe Jean was stripping Wolvie with her eyes everytime she saw him or throwing herself at him all the time either. Regardless, Jean and Scott should have talked things out, possibly by getting legit marital counseling (not Emma...) 
 
In regards to Jean being a homewrecker, Maddie kicked Scott out and they were technically separated. However, when Jean came back, she didn't jump into bed with Scott nor were they making out every opportunity they found. They had a complicated relationship seeing that Scott was still married.  Jean had to adjust to that. It wasn't like Jean told Scott to divorce Maddie for her. Jean was going to respect Scott and his marriage to Maddie (thank God that Maddie turned out to be evil and died). Jean merely was a "homewrecker" for being there which caused Scott to want to leave Maddie. However, the one thing that Jean could have done was help Scott get over his feelings for her and then encourage him to go back and work things out with Maddie. What Emma did was worse. But face it, Scott married Maddie because she looked exactly like his real love Jean. The marriage was doomed to fail when the real deal came back and since Maddie was a tool of Sinisters.
#47 Posted by ReVamp (22863 posts) - - Show Bio
@tbone1225 said:


                    Cyclops was dating Jean Grey and then she died. So he married Madelyne Pryor. He didn't cheat on Jean Grey. When Jean Grey returned he abandoned his wife and child for Jean Grey. Technically, he cheated on Madelyne Pryor. Cyclops got married to Jean Grey, and then she died again. After his wife was dead, he started dating Emma Frost. Technically speaking, so long as a widower dating someone else is not cheating, Cyclops is not a cheater, at least not on Jean Grey. Of course, when you know that your girlfriend can come back from the dead and has the power of a Phoenix which is known for rebirth, there might be some new superhero standard for cheating.

                   

               

I don't believe this is what we're talking about. Not the fact that he's with Emma Frost, but the fact that he has a "psychic affair" while Jean was alive. And I'd side with Yes.
#48 Posted by Drefan21 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

It´s a complicated situation I simply say yes, but she cheated on him first more than once.So if he´s a whore Jean is one too.

#49 Posted by Son Of Storm (11252 posts) - - Show Bio

...................No.

#50 Posted by time (4841 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

Hey, I know what we can do….. how about talk about Jean Grey as a home-wreaker?

What rubbish are talking about John or is some kind of stupid joke?

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