Confused Much. Vote Yes or No

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#1 Posted by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

I am little confused on how many people what her to come back.  Vote Yes if you do and No if you don't. You don't have to be fan of  hers to vote and the final question. Would Uncanny X-MEN or X-Men Legacy benefit from her return. 

#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio

This might have functioned better as a poll.  
 
I'm currently undecided. 

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#3 Posted by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Yes, X-Men is not the same without her. Uncanny X-MEN would benefit, they need to get rid of Matt Fraction, he sucks so bad.  

#4 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree about Fraction sucking for the most part.  
 
But what makes Jean so amazing?

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#5 Edited by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I highlight this in my thread called Jean Grey Factor. She has better relationship with a lot of x-men, Storm, Beast, wolverine, charles etc. Storm I feel has less authority in the X-MEN, she argues with Cyclops & Emma a a lot and doesn't seem to win the arguments, with Jean she would, for sure. There not much sisterhood in X-Men anymore is just about Emma Frost or Kitty or Rogue. She has better powers than a lot of them, and  She more passionate, forgiving and a lot kinder. I think she put Surge & Emma frost in there place. Surge has to much attitude. She might be a  better role model for the younger students or characters like X-23. She much better than Rachel Grey & Hope. Hope is boring.

#6 Posted by warlock360 (28057 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote yes so we have more credibility for the battle threads (comparison wise)

#7 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@warlock360 said:
" I vote yes so we have more credibility for the battle threads (comparison wise) "
I like how that's your reasoning.  
 
@time said:
" Well I highlight this in my thread called Jean Grey Factor. She has better relationship with a lot of x-men, Storm, Beast, wolverine, charles etc. Storm I feel has less authority in the X-MEN, she argues with Cyclops & Emma a a lot and doesn't seem to win the arguments, with Jean she would, for sure. There not much sisterhood in X-Men anymore is just about Emma Frost or Kitty or Rogue. She has better powers than a lot of them, and  She more passionate, forgiving and a lot kinder. I think she put Surge & Emma frost in there place. Surge has to much attitude. She might be a  better role model for the younger students or characters like X-23. She much better than Rachel Grey & Hope. Hope is boring. "
Hope > Jean. I'll argue the rest of your points when I'm not as wired on caffeine.
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#8 Posted by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @warlock360 said:
" I vote yes so we have more credibility for the battle threads (comparison wise) "
I like how that's your reasoning.  
 
@time said:
" Well I highlight this in my thread called Jean Grey Factor. She has better relationship with a lot of x-men, Storm, Beast, wolverine, charles etc. Storm I feel has less authority in the X-MEN, she argues with Cyclops & Emma a a lot and doesn't seem to win the arguments, with Jean she would, for sure. There not much sisterhood in X-Men anymore is just about Emma Frost or Kitty or Rogue. She has better powers than a lot of them, and  She more passionate, forgiving and a lot kinder. I think she put Surge & Emma frost in there place. Surge has to much attitude. She might be a  better role model for the younger students or characters like X-23. She much better than Rachel Grey & Hope. Hope is boring. "
Hope > Jean. I'll argue the rest of your points when I'm not as wired on caffeine. "
Your funny
#9 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@time: Yeah...my urge to try and discuss any points with you kind of just flew out the window. People are entitled to their own opinions. I have mine you have yours. You don't need to be condescending about it because clearly I wasn't joking.
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#10 Posted by warlock360 (28057 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: ya don't always need a reason for things ;p let alone a acceptable one
#11 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@warlock360: So much truth there. :D
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#12 Edited by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

I wan't being  condescending, I was being honest

#13 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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#14 Posted by treysome (93 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote yes, she's done so much for the X-Men and I would like to come back to the x fold.
#15 Posted by Yumulu (762 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote no, never really cared for the character but she is named the freaking Phoenix so it pretty a given she's coming back.

#16 Posted by fesak (7061 posts) - - Show Bio

No. She's obsolete and pointless.

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#17 Posted by warlock360 (28057 posts) - - Show Bio
@fesak said:
" No. She's obsolete and pointless. "
somehow, i can't take that statement serious with that av of yours LOL
#18 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

I can just see her popping back in like she never left, alongside Havok, Polaris, and Racheal
 
Cyclops: " ????????!!!????? "
Havok: " Dude, we ran into her months ago. You would like know that if you ever answered my messages, duh?!"
 
seriously, she will anyways, what i want is irrelevant. 
as long as its written in a fashion that makes sense (knock on wood) and the story is good so be it.

#19 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

No on all accounts 
 
I'm not a Jean hater, but fervently believe the character has nothing left to offer. I mean what she comes back and causes tension between Scott/Emma? Cures M-Day? Screws around with Logan? All too obvious and too boring, I see no further utility for her character. How about we get Rachael back from space an focus on building a character who still has avenues to explore?

#20 Posted by SirSparkington (342 posts) - - Show Bio

No. 
 
I've never disliked her character, but I think the X-men have moved on from the point where she would be relevant.

#21 Edited by antiterra (168 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote no. I don't hate her, but I'm absolutely not looking forward to the inevitable drama and predictable Phoenix nonsense that her return would bring. And if she does come back, I wouldn't want her on Legacy - that book belongs to Rogue (and Magneto).

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to her return if a good writer (i.e. someone with a long-term vision beyond the next 5-issue arc) came up with a genuinely clever take on the character that made her feel fresh - and not just a hyped-six-months-in-advance marketing event to drive sales.

#22 Posted by Kid_Zombie (824 posts) - - Show Bio

NO!
 
Dislike her, and would like to see more original stuff less rehash dead then alive dead then alive, plus in terms of marvel characters i think they consider everything to have happened in the last 11 or 12 years, shes died and come back almost once a year ha ha no wonder cyclops was messed up.
 
Although there were some great ideas in the comments from the  "generation hope" article, so I will always go in favor for a decent story. I say No, unless the story is so kick ass that she must come back.

#23 Posted by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

YES! 
 
For one thing, she's one of the original X-men; she's the very first X-woman!  I would think she'd be placed in higher status in that sense.  She has done a lot for the X-Men, it's not the same without her.  I hate when people say that a character has run their course, that there's nothing left to do with them--that's bull.  Jean Grey has tons and tons of stories to tell; she just needs that good writer to writer her properly.  That being said, I do think that when she comes back; it would be good for her to move away from anything related to the letter 'X'.  I've always said I think she'd make a great Avenger; I think she'd fit well on that team.  I also believe that she could return and not mess up the relationship between Scott and Emma; hell her return could be a secret to them for a time--it's been done before, it can happen again.  So again, I say YES!  Let Jean Grey return!
#24 Posted by NeoAndroid (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm i say Yes literally because i love the character and i think alot more could be done with her. And also shes way over due for a return. Its because of jean grey i got into comics, so Yes i want her back and i want it like yesterday. I dont mind if she comes back with the phoenix but used fully under control and not always show the bird. Let her use her TK and Telepathy, as well as her flight etc. Hell even use her TK to enhance her strength to where she could go toe to toe with like wonder man just for a change. Or let her talk to the Scarlet Witch, which in honest Jean Grey seems pretty immune to Wandas power thanks to her Omega Level

#25 Posted by papad1992 (6832 posts) - - Show Bio

No... Life's easier that way!! Plus all the mutants have enough on their plates already, last they need is an emotionally mental entity-thingy messing up with their path to peaceful exisistence (Even though they're far from reaching it)!!!
#26 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

NO. 
 
She's a boring God Mode Sue. The worst type of character.

#27 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@antiterra said:
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I vote no. I don't hate her, but I'm absolutely not looking forward to the inevitable drama and predictable Phoenix nonsense that her return would bring. And if she does come back, I wouldn't want her on Legacy - that book belongs to Rogue (and Magneto).

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to her return if a good writer (i.e. someone with a long-term vision beyond the next 5-issue arc) came up with a genuinely clever take on the character that made her feel fresh - and not just a hyped-six-months-in-advance marketing event to drive sales.

"
Another awesome post. 
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#28 Posted by digimod (239 posts) - - Show Bio
@antiterra said:
"I wouldn't be opposed to her return if a good writer (i.e. someone with a long-term vision beyond the next 5-issue arc) came up with a genuinely clever take on the character that made her feel fresh - and not just a hyped-six-months-in-advance marketing event to drive sales."
Unfortunately in this case the two are mutually exclusive and the norm over the last few years points to the latter - if it were to happen.
#29 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7301 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#30 Posted by Bestostero (5618 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, come back, PLEASE :)
 

Avengers #13 X-Men Evolution Cover Jean Grey

While I do agree that the X-Men has moved on, I think she can  find a way back that maybe doesn't involve them or have her move on too.  Maybe she can take over Emma's previous role and work with a new Hellfire Club ....I doubt it lol, but i love jean, always will.  and will keep crossing my fingers for her return.
#31 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

If she comes back I don't want her to be an X-Man. It'll just all be about Cyclops being her ex-husband, Wolverine being in love with her, same old same old. If she comes back I want her to go to the Avengers with Beast or something. Maybe bring Iceman with her. But not one of the twelve Avengers teams Wolverine is on. Imagine Jean Grey on the Secret Avengers.
#32 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - - Show Bio

no 
she did what she had to do and played a pivotal role in the Marvel U and in the legacy of the X-Men 
but that was then 
this is now
#33 Posted by charlieboy (7167 posts) - - Show Bio

i am sure she will come back eventually. i am not really a big fan of hope. although i do like rachel better than either jean or hope.
#34 Edited by A-Strondinaire (370 posts) - - Show Bio


Yes only if the Phoenix is completely excercised from Jean I feel like ever since Claremont gave her the Phoenix every writer has used it to either A) Make her all powerful, B) Give reason to kill her, or C) or tack on more powers to make her better. Jean Grey has become a joke with the many times she's died it's hung a lampshade on anytime somebody else dies, cosmic powers are going crazy, or when someone comes back.

 

 I feel Jean as a character deserves to be fleshed out by herself just the same as Sue Storm has the reason being these two were the only women among their respective team so from most of those times they were there explaining their powers or commenting on how weak they were (Watch X:TAS and The Fantastic Four from around the same time and tell me they're interchangeable). now look at Sue taking on The Gladiator (granted with help from Captain Britain but she was fighting none the less) now look at Jean Grey (MVC3 MUA2 last major appearances) her names Phoenix and she won't shut-up about how much Dark Phoenix will appear. If she returns with the Phoenix I'll set up a coutdown for how long till she goes back in limbo and I'll take bids for how and when she'll return.

#35 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. Get her back with Cyk

#36 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#37 Edited by A-Strondinaire (370 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonesDeini:

The same can be said for Rachel she comes back and talks about how bad things were in space, how much she needs her mom right now, bad mouth Emma and Scotts unholy unreal uninteresting union, does what she can for M-Day and waits for another writer to write an event around her? (Or any other Kitty Archetypes) All characters don't have to have the same storylines to validate their existence. I'm sure there's a writer out there willing to give her more than enough interesting plots.

#38 Posted by Thunderscream (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't mind her coming back if there was the promise that the Phoenix Force would sever it's ties to her. I'd say enough time has passed since her latest death.

Maybe if she were to be completely powerless and take on the role of Dr. Jean Grey from X1&2 by shadowing Beast...

#39 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thunderscream: That no-Phoenix isn't a bad idea in theory, but it's been retconned that she and the Phoenix are now basically one and the same. Even if they were to write a way around that, to be completely honest, it would only be a matter of time before she and the Phoenix found each other again and the cycle started over.
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#40 Posted by Thunderscream (1813 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  dash a boy's dreams why dontcha ;)
#41 Posted by Mercy_ (92857 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thunderscream: It's what I'm here for ;)
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#42 Edited by Ashra (674 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

If she'll come back and roast Emma's a**, leaving behind only a melted puddle of silicone in her place. 

#43 Posted by PowerHerc (85058 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, bring Jean back.
#44 Posted by jubilee042 (1353 posts) - - Show Bio

i think she can cure m-day

#45 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@jubilee042 said:
" i think she can cure m-day "
How would she manage that? lol
#46 Posted by jubilee042 (1353 posts) - - Show Bio

lol phoenix powers
and her blood is said to be so pure that it can grant anyone powers

#47 Posted by time (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I don't think Jean needs to cure M-day. There is to many Mutants. Mutants are flourishing.  It's like M-day never happened.


1  Cypher 2 Ariel 3 Dust 4 Anole 5 The  Cuckoos Sisters 6 Trance 7 Stinger 8 Surge 9 Sunspot 10 Match 11 Maglik  12 Magma 13 Loa 14  Elixi 15 Hellion 16 Bling 17 Blindfold 18 Armor 19  Hope Summers 20  Rockslide 21 Mercury 22  Prodigy  23  Random 24 Pixie 25 Karma 26 Empath 27 Indra 28 Perro  29 Husk & 30 X-23

As well as  the core members Cyclops, Emma Frost, Wolverine & Rogue etc. As well as X-Factor & the New Mutants. Do we really need any more mutants. How many of them are actually good? I prefer Jean over most of new mutants & students.


#48 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#49 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes bring her back, depowered to an extent. Not the point where she has to moan and scream to lift a book. What is the longest period of time she's been dead?

#50 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
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Yes bring her back, depowered to an extent. Not the point where she has to moan and scream to lift a book. What is the longest period of time she's been dead?

"
technically her current status I believe is the longest she's been gone but I maybe wrong I forgot how long madelyn was in her place O_O

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