(天):Why did they Kill Jason Todd?

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Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously Why?... They voted for him to be killed off... but everyone i talked to... Love Jason Todd the Red Hood guy... Villain... etc...
 Cuz i thought it was cuz he was originally a Ginger... and people didnt like to see a Ginger Robin
 but Now that He(Todd) is The Red Hood again... hes a Ginger
 and people are sayin they hate his "new Look" and "New HAircut"
 but... i thought he always Was a Ginger... so is he a Ginger now... or was he always a Ginger?
and if he jus turned into a Ginger... Then Why did the fans Voted for him to be Killed Off?

#1 Posted by Owen_Porter (83224 posts) - - Show Bio

Short shorts.

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#2 Posted by The Scientist (630 posts) - - Show Bio

They killed jason todd because back then the original robin was they're fave, and Jason kinda stood in the shadows of what he once resembled. He was more the trouble maker (much like damian is now) and probably didn't fit the in the picture perfect society image they had back then.

#3 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks U guys

#4 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone I know hates Jason Todd.  He was killed off because he was an annoying snivelling little git.  They shouldn't have brought him back, because it was such a landmark moment in comic history.  Since his return, he's been an annoying whiney thug.  Should have stayed dead.   
 
If they had another vote, I'd vote 'dead'.
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#5 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Back in the day he was an annoying incoherent butt munch but now he is fraggin awesome! Well was until he became Jimmy Olson

#6 Posted by War Killer (19485 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
"Everyone I know hates Jason Todd.  He was killed off because he was an annoying snivelling little git.  They shouldn't have brought him back, because it was such a landmark moment in comic history.  Since his return, he's been an annoying whiney thug.  Should have stayed dead.    If they had another vote, I'd vote 'dead'. "
Agreed.
#7 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks People... I thought it was cuz he was a Ginger... and I was goin to say that Gingers can be cool look at 
Him 
 

#8 Posted by Whitesycamore (5 posts) - - Show Bio

 I think Jason Todd was killed off because he didn't fit the context of Batman at that time.  I think if he had been introduced later after the memory of Dick Grayson as Robin had faded somewhat and the 'grim and gritty' interpretation of Batman had fully taken hold, the fans would have been much more receptive to him.  I first found out about Jason in the Nightfall arc, and I was immediately interested in this dead Robin who seemed to have such an effect on Batman.  I got hold of the issues where he was Robin, and I didn't find him irritating at all - this was probably because I didn't have much attachment to Dick Grayson-Robin and because I knew that this Robin was fated to die pretty quickly. 
People often say that Jason was "whiny" or "snivelling", and I really wonder where they get that from - Jason was frustrated when the justice system failed to protect victims and he expressed that frustration in a forthright way.  I would hardly call that snivelling.

#9 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:

"Everyone I know hates Jason Todd.  He was killed off because he was an annoying snivelling little git.  They shouldn't have brought him back, because it was such a landmark moment in comic history.  Since his return, he's been an annoying whiney thug.  Should have stayed dead.    If they had another vote, I'd vote 'dead'. "


This. 
 
The only truely good story Jason Todd was a part of was when Marv Wolfman wrote him in his very short stint with the Titans. 
 
Jason could have been saved but they needed a great writer to make him tolerable.  Having mediocre writers allowing Jason to act like he did when everybody hated him and worse doesn't solve the problem.
#10 Posted by Wondra (146 posts) - - Show Bio

Ginger are heartless soulless bastards who can't go out in the sun and have freckles. I hate them. lol Cartman rocks!
#11 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio
@Whitesycamore: 
But... thats all interpretation
 
... i think
 
 
@Wondra: He does... he really does
#12 Posted by Whitesycamore (5 posts) - - Show Bio
@Yung ANcient One said:
" @Whitesycamore: 
But... thats all interpretation
 
... i think
 
Of course, but a valid interpretation imo.   I like Jason because he had a lot of empathy for victims; during his original run there were four occassions when Batman had to reprimand him for using excessive force - 1.  When he found out two-face had killed his father.  2. When he saw a pimp about to carve up one of his working-girls.  3. When he may/may not have pushed a repeat rapist off a balcony, and 4. When he beat up a warehouse-full of child pornographers.
#13 Posted by inferiorego (20586 posts) - - Show Bio
@Yung ANcient One: I voted back in the day to kill him off because he was whiny.
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#14 Edited by kev17 (331 posts) - - Show Bio


He wasnt liked originally because people were used to dick grayson being robin. He became immensly popular after his death because  A DEATH IN THE FAMILY was so powerfully written.

 
 In my opinion, Jason was  a much more important robin than grayson simply because of what his death did to Batman IE change him forever. It showed that Batman comics werent just for people under 12.

#15 Posted by R.O.Y.G.B.I.V. (25 posts) - - Show Bio

if u dont kno y heres the answer they killed him cuz they thought he wuz too much of a show off  and almost every young reader hated him including me
#16 Posted by crimsonspider89 (817 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd was killed cause he was annoying and had no real substance. He was a shadow of Dick in every way and brought nothing substantial to the table unlike Tim who has shown great computer skills as well as detective skills. He just was not fleshed out. I still do not like him, the concept is kinda annoying and comes off as Punisher-ish. 

#17 Posted by Big (330 posts) - - Show Bio
@Whitesycamore:
Right on.
#18 Posted by Big (330 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd was killed because he was too dark. He may have killed a man in the storyline prior to "Death in the Family" Batman questioned whether he could ever trust or work with Jason after that incident. The boy was turning rogue before everyone's eyes. He was failing as Robin and as a person. Also, people were very nostalgic about the good 'ol team of Bruce  and Dick, so, if something is bothersome, then why not get rid of it? At least, that's what people were thinking when the question of his life or death came up.

#19 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Back in the day he was an annoying incoherent butt munch but now he is fraggin awesome! Well was until he became Jimmy Olson "
This for me.
#20 Posted by mistrx75 (193 posts) - - Show Bio

The fans demanded it!  
 
In any case, it was a nice, traumatic story for Bats.

#21 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio

To this day Cassandra Cain has still not meet Jason.And what will Bruce say to him when he returns?

#22 Posted by sambalam (23 posts) - - Show Bio
@Whitesycamore said:
"  I think Jason Todd was killed off because he didn't fit the context of Batman at that time.  I think if he had been introduced later after the memory of Dick Grayson as Robin had faded somewhat and the 'grim and gritty' interpretation of Batman had fully taken hold, the fans would have been much more receptive to him.  I first found out about Jason in the Nightfall arc, and I was immediately interested in this dead Robin who seemed to have such an effect on Batman.  I got hold of the issues where he was Robin, and I didn't find him irritating at all - this was probably because I didn't have much attachment to Dick Grayson-Robin and because I knew that this Robin was fated to die pretty quickly. 
People often say that Jason was "whiny" or "snivelling", and I really wonder where they get that from - Jason was frustrated when the justice system failed to protect victims and he expressed that frustration in a forthright way.  I would hardly call that snivelling. "
Actually, after the death of Jason Todd is when Batman started getting into his really grim and gritty phase, which prompted the introduction of Tim Drake. So, really, you have Jason Todd to thank for Batman's more intense persona!
 
But I do agree that Jason is a much more interesting character now, but only because Judd Winick has made him more interesting. In the hands of other writers, he can still be insufferable.
#23 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5280 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64: 
Jason and Cassie should meet at least once. I think what Bruce might say to Jason when he comes back is 4 simple words. "What happened to you?"
My opinion, so we can only wait and see.
#24 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling: I wonder what Cassie would say. I mean she was still Batgirl when Jason came back and they never interacted.Bruce said that he was goinf to take full responsibility for Jason's actions.
#25 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5280 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64: Let's hope Bruce keeps his word when he comes back lol
Cassie might say something like "Who are you?" and Jason would be like "I'm the one Batman failed" lol, but I may be wrong =)
#26 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling: Bruce is a man of his word.
Cassie might like Jason.
#27 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5280 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64: Better yet, Shiva might take an interest in Jason, since he's willing to kill, like Shiva.
#28 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling: ain't Shiva dead?
#29 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5280 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64: She isn't. She just hasn't been seen since Blackest Night. She's recovering at the moment.
#30 Posted by ComicMan24 (147021 posts) - - Show Bio

People didn't like him.

#31 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19709 posts) - - Show Bio

He was the rebound Robin

#32 Edited by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling said:

" @Primmaster64: Better yet, Shiva might take an interest in Jason, since he's willing to kill, like Shiva. "




If she screwed David Cain she will screw Jason Todd
#33 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134 said:
" @saiyan_earthling said:

" @Primmaster64: Better yet, Shiva might take an interest in Jason, since he's willing to kill, like Shiva. "

If she screwed David Cain she will screw Jason Todd "
lol you think?
#34 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell Yeah
#35 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: LOL! Because he is Batman's son?
#36 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

no because he's JASON TODD
#37 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: LOL! YES!
#38 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell YEAH
#39 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio

thank u everyone for commenting i appreciate i a lot n i am learning a lot. thank u good day. live righteous and outrageous.

#40 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

got ya
#41 Edited by cbishop (6313 posts) - - Show Bio

When the life or death vote came up, Jason was just a horrible Robin at that point, and if killing him would get him out of the book, then so be it.  He's fictional, so kill him.  Fans didn't like Jason even before he had his overly-violent moments.  I mean, Batman saw potential in him because he had the stones to boost the tires on the Batmobile?  That put him in the tights?  He was cocky from the start, beyond that his character was kind of flat, and that made his character unlikable. 
 
The most important factor though was that he never got the nod from Dick Grayson - there was no "passing of the torch."  Dick had moved on to being Nightwing, but his approval meant every bit as much as Batman's (maybe more).  Jason showed no respect for Grayson, and that just doesn't wash, when you're presenting a legacy character.  I agree with the person who said the only thing that made him popular was his excellently written death story.  In fact, that story was the only one I can think of where he showed he might actually have the skills to be Robin... well, all the skills except dodging a crowbar.
 
The only reason Tim made it as Robin was good writing.  They did everything right with him.  Right off the bat (no pun intended), he proved he had the chops as detective, by figuring out who Batman and Robin were.  He made his case for why Batman needs a Robin, he got Grayson's approval, and he did the training (in two great mini-series, one of which is inexplicably out of print).  Tim is a very three dimensional - very well developed as a character 
 
When they brought Jason Todd back - a move I didn't care for - they fleshed him out and made him a better character.  He's still a jerk, but he's a better character.  DC needs to pick a side of the fence for him to be on though, because the "hero" who's too violent is boring. 
 
EDIT: (Knew I was forgetting something)  The only reason that Damian is a successful Robin for fans - even though he's doing the same crud as Jason Todd did - is that he's Bruce's son.  That gives him a certain level of legitimacy with readers.  He's not just some upstart punk introduced out of nowhere, that they're asking us to accept as the new Robin.  No.  He's an upstart punk related to Bruce, that they're asking us to accept as the new Robin.  So far, they've made his character interesting.  He's got a truly classic dilemma that always brings readers back for more: will he succumb to the evil in his heritage (Ra's Al Ghul), or will he find in himself the hero in his heritage (Batman)?  They screwed this up with Cassandra Cain (although that was a father/mentor dilemma) - I'll be interested to see how they fare with Damian.  He has the potential to be one of the most interesting characters DC has had in years.

#42 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio
@cbishop:
Very good valid points but i think if Jason would have been Robin in Todays world he would have been more accepeted and i don't know how many people like Damien but I don't meet too many Damien fans either
#43 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134:  Hi Names Yung.... im one of the few Damian Fans..
 
 
@cbishop:  i respect that... and appreciate ur answer especially for taking the time to type it so well... hehehehehe... but yea that makes perfect sense to me now... when i 1st typed this blog i was seriously confused... i didnt kno why he died or why so many people like him now... even tho theres soo many people that say they never did... and etc... and honestly me not being a huge DC fan only made it more confusing... but thanks... every time someone posts here... i understand it better... n now i feel like i understand it completely...
#44 Edited by cbishop (6313 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134 said:

"@cbishop: Very good valid points but i think if Jason would have been Robin in Todays world he would have been more accepeted and i don't know how many people like Damien but I don't meet too many Damien fans either "

 
Well, what would it be like today?  At this point, if we don't count Jason Todd, and assume that we haven't gotten to the Damian stories yet, there's been two other Robins since Dick Grayson - Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown.  We've talked about Tim, but Stephanie wasn't a very popular Robin, and for similar reasons as Jason.  She had been a sort of boring character before, wearing that gawd-awful Spoiler costume (and with that gawd-awful name), and she was plainly unprepared to be a superhero.  She had no character's approval, including Tim's, and for him, she was a love interest!  Being Tim's love interest was the only thing that made her a little interesting.  Fans were happy to see her get out of the Robin costume, and weren't thrilled about her becoming the new Batgirl (although good writing seems to have changed the minds of some fans). 
 
So I'd say it's a coin toss - with a couple other Robins since Grayson, Jason may have stood a better first chance today, because fans are now used to the idea of another new Robin coming around.  On the other side of that coin, most didn't like Stephanie, so if Jason was characterized now the same way he was then, chances are they still wouldn't like him today, if this was his first go around. 

@Yung ANcient One said:

"@cbishop:  i respect that... and appreciate ur answer especially for taking the time to type it so well... hehehehehe... but yea that makes perfect sense to me now... when i 1st typed this blog i was seriously confused... i didnt kno why he died or why so many people like him now... even tho theres soo many people that say they never did... and etc... and honestly me not being a huge DC fan only made it more confusing... but thanks... every time someone posts here... i understand it better... n now i feel like i understand it completely... "


Glad I could help. ;)
#45 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

Urch he was just so.....needy, and still is 'oh Batman didn't love me like Dick....ohh Batman let me die' it's like...get a life! get over it!

#46 Edited by Serpent (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:

" Everyone I know hates Jason Todd.  He was killed off because he was an annoying snivelling little git.  They shouldn't have brought him back, because it was such a landmark moment in comic history.  Since his return, he's been an annoying whiney thug.  Should have stayed dead.    If they had another vote, I'd vote 'dead'. "

This, 
 
Also, this was a different age.  I apologize for assuming as such if I am wrong, but you sound like a teenage comics reader.  The comics were different back then, and the comics readerbase and voters were different.  Opinions were a lot more pure without the internet around.
#47 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio
@Yung ANcient One:
Nce to meet you
lol Jason RULZ
#48 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

 

 

#49 Posted by daredevil21134 (9097 posts) - - Show Bio

ok
#50 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134 said:
" @Yung ANcient One: Nce to meet youlol Jason RULZ "
same here.... kinda... hahaha

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