What if Jason becomes the next Joker?

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#1 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio

I could totally see it happening. If they kill of the original joker Jason might become the next one. 
 
Dick has already taken up batman and since the original joker was the red hood once himself It could be a continues cycle for jason too.

#2 Posted by daredevil21134 (12949 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, Never

#3 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: You'll never know it could be a sence of irony. This isn't even my idea.
#4 Posted by RUSTMAN (183 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's too much of his own character to take up the role of another iconic villain... 

#5 Posted by Mercy_ (91943 posts) - - Show Bio

That's so boring. No.

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#6 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio

Well even if he did how would he be?

#7 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Like the Joker.

#8 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4781 posts) - - Show Bio
@RUSTMAN said:
I think he's too much of his own character to take up the role of another iconic villain... 
And yet the Joker was the Red Hood. Jason will never be his own man.
#9 Posted by entropy_aegis (15612 posts) - - Show Bio

I gave a theory similar to this,but i meant it as a joke.

#10 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@sesquipedalophobe said:
@RUSTMAN said:
I think he's too much of his own character to take up the role of another iconic villain... 
And yet the Joker was the Red Hood. Jason will never be his own man.
Dude, almost everybody whoever read a comic knows who Jason Todd is, that's better than most characters masked namesakes. That crap about never having his own identity is like saying every legacy character should just slit their wrists right now. 
 
The Red Hood was a namesake of little consequence til Jason took it. Sure it was a part of Joker's origin which was finally utilized effectively by Alan Moore but it had certainly been eclipsed for the last two decades by the image of Jack Napier the public at large associated with the Joker. The Red Hood was actually about transformation. From mook to homicidal clown. From Boy Wonder to murderous Vigilante.Jason though, turned the Red Hood from a drop into a vat of acid, into a new DC icon.
#11 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4781 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen: The name Jason Todd rings a bell, but any identity he claims doesn't mean much to me or adds to his development. I always thought of him as a replacement character with batty issues. If anything, his own identity would work wonders if DC hadn't resorted to the renumbering (reboot) to save face.
#12 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

It reminds me of how Tim became a new Joker in Batman Beyond.  It wouldn't be too far fetched, since Jason is already pretty unhinged... I just don't think he has a sense of humour.

#13 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4781 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: He can work on it, provided the writers are funny. For instance.
Red Hood/Joker: Knock Knock.
Batman: Who's there?
Red Hood/Joker: Dead parents.
Robin: He got jokes. He got jokes...
#14 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but all of you saying that Jason needs his own identity then turning around saying he should be the next Joker to fill that role because him being the Red Hood is a knock off of the Joker before he became the Joker is a joke. You want him to establish his own identity and become his own person. Well he can't do that under the shadow of Joker II. He brought a fan following to the Red Hood mantle. Joker was the Red Hood first and turned to a significant crime lord. Jason took the name as a renegade vigilante to do what, in his mind, was what Gotham City needed. Bad guys being killed to show that he ain't f***ing around any more. Jason as a new Joker=epic fail for DC.

#15 Posted by daredevil21134 (12949 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT:  agreed
#16 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: Thank you. I knew I couldn't be the only one. Lol.
#17 Posted by daredevil21134 (12949 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT said:
@daredevil21134: Thank you. I knew I couldn't be the only one. Lol.
hell yeah
#18 Posted by Meinos Kaen (39 posts) - - Show Bio

*looks at topic title* Huuuuu... No.

#19 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@sesquipedalophobe: thank you.
#20 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4781 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl: For what?
#21 Posted by daredevil21134 (12949 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason has better plans now     

Like this 
#22 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (13040 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah and Peter Parker wilkl be the next Deadpool.

#23 Posted by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

It's possible, after all this is DC we're talking about.

#24 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@sesquipedalophobe: for supporting my idea.
#25 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@CrimsonAvenger: Thank you.
#26 Posted by ReverseNegative (2710 posts) - - Show Bio

...WTF?

#27 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio

Just look at both of these and try and tell me that they don't have anything in common. 

Joker.  
 Jason
#28 Posted by daredevil21134 (12949 posts) - - Show Bio

He will be leading a new team of anti heroes so thats not gonna happen

#29 Posted by VaizD (248 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl said:
Just look at both of these and try and tell me that they don't have anything in common. 
Joker.  
 Jason
I always liked how Morrison was clearly going for a parallel with that little scene.
#30 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5521 posts) - - Show Bio

He hates the Joker.

#31 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling: well that's the irony If some accident accours that turns him to the joker. So not by choice.
#32 Posted by Shieldbearer (83 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason becoming Joker is not going to happen. Considering that Jason is getting his own title with Arsenal and Starfire makes it very unlikely. 
#33 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@Shieldbearer: It's just a "What if"
#34 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl: I see where you are coming from with the whole aren't these similar thing. But there is no way that he would ever become the Joker. Seeing how now that Dick is back to being Nightwing there is no reason for Jason to become the Joker now.
#35 Posted by fodigg (6147 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the idea was to make him like the Joker without him realizing it, but if he actually becomes Joker then...that won't really have the same effect. That'll just be like "what are you dumb?" He's already been the Red Hood too, which was--i believe--officially a Joker persona, so it's kind of already been done.

#36 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (13040 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry guys, but the Grant Morrison idea never count since the guys is a nutjob.

#37 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000: wow u have something against morrison
#38 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (13040 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl said:

@DeathpooltheT1000: wow u have something against morrison

This is how Morrison makes more of his storyline, just without the awesomeness of Black Dynamite. 
  
  
No, not the orphans!!!
#39 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio
Than I apologize for this inconvenient thread.
#40 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (13040 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl said:
Than I apologize for this inconvenient thread.
Why does people is getting mad, just because, most of us, dont think the same that they?
WTF is wrong with this place?
#41 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000: Well to be honest bro they don't really get mad. They are using what most people call sarcasm. Your jokes can only go so far with some people. So not everyone is going to give you an lol response some will actually joke back sarcastically its just a matter of  being able to tell. I know that sometimes its hard to define whether or not its a joke or not but it gets easier with practice. Bopper was saying that to you as a joke to yours. She like Morrison and believes the way that he was going with Jason could've ended up leading to Jason becoming the Joker. And in a sense she's right. The way Morrison was going about Jason had a very distinct Joker feel to it. 
 
So @Bopper Girl: I see where you are getting your ideas and your sense for the"what if" story. And it could be a good story. But in a way its already been done. You have your Return of the Joker in Batman Beyond which, I know its not Tim actually taking on the Joker persona as himself its more of the Joker taking over Tims body but still a Robin has already been turned into the Joker. And I know its not really the same but it still kinda is.
#42 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (13040 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT said:
@DeathpooltheT1000: Well to be honest bro they don't really get mad. They are using what most people call sarcasm. Your jokes can only go so far with some people. So not everyone is going to give you an lol response some will actually joke back sarcastically its just a matter of  being able to tell. I know that sometimes its hard to define whether or not its a joke or not but it gets easier with practice. Bopper was saying that to you as a joke to yours. She like Morrison and believes the way that he was going with Jason could've ended up leading to Jason becoming the Joker. And in a sense she's right. The way Morrison was going about Jason had a very distinct Joker feel to it. 
 
So @Bopper Girl: I see where you are getting your ideas and your sense for the"what if" story. And it could be a good story. But in a way its already been done. You have your Return of the Joker in Batman Beyond which, I know its not Tim actually taking on the Joker persona as himself its more of the Joker taking over Tims body but still a Robin has already been turned into the Joker. And I know its not really the same but it still kinda is.
I am the only human that use the (Sarcasm) thing, to show i am being sarcastic, is hard to know since there is no voice on the letter and for the same, know if its sarcasm get really hard.
Also most of peole on this forums get mad, because people dont like the same things.
#43 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000: Dude trust me I know. I won't lie there have been times when I didn't know that they were just messing with me and I flipped out and actually got told if I do it again I'm gone as in banned from the site. So I know how hard it is to sense the sarcasm in what people say. So my rule is to just be sarcastic to everyone and see if I can't get a person to start a conversation and go from there. Lol.
#44 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason doesn't have it in him to be a true psychopath like the Joker. He's not really evil, even when he's trying to be. 
 
To paraphase the Social Network; "You're not an ***hole, Jason, you're just trying really hard to be"

#45 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: Well put sir, well put.
#46 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT: (Thumbs up)
#47 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: Its true. Making Jason the Joker would be making him something he is most definitely not.
#48 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT said:

@FadeToBlackBolt: Its true. Making Jason the Joker would be making him something he is most definitely not.

I agree. Like Cyclops, Jason was kind of robbed of a regular childhood. They were thrust into a position of overwhelming authority and responsibility, and now that they're on ther own, they're (from a Freudian perspective) rebelling against the initial constraints of their teachings and trying to find their own way. But neither can completely ignore what their "fathers" taught them. There's a reason Jason doesn't kill kids or innocents, it's just not in him. 
#49 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know. It depends on how it plays out. I rather see Jason as the next Bane rather than the Joker.

#50 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: We are so on the same page on this matter. Its kinda scary lol. But its good that I'm not the only one that sees this as a major what if story. By major I mean like last story on the list of horrible ones that won't ever get published major.

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