Red Hood vs Nightwing (New 52)

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#1 Posted by cantflimflamthezimzam (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter in the streets of Gotham. Standard equipment for both. Morals on but neither is not willing to incapacitate the other.

#2 Edited by jumpman72001 (37 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing

#3 Posted by thespideyguy (2642 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing. This belongs in the battles forums.

#4 Edited by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason,just because I like him more

#5 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1638 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing.

#6 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing

At least with Sh***y writing and broken ribs, he put up something with Lady Shiva and still manage to impress her.

#8 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: you do relize that jason was trained by lady shiva right?

#9 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe: Yes. I already know. It's why he has such a connection to the League Of Assassins. Cheshire confirmed it. But it seems she doesn't hold much faith in him, calling him brainless. Cheshire too.

#10 Posted by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe: Yes. I already know. It's why he has such a connection to the League Of Assassins. Cheshire confirmed it. But it seems she doesn't hold much faith in him, calling him brainless. Cheshire too.

Well he is pretty clueless right now lol

#11 Edited by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by danhimself (22534 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: you do relize that jason was trained by lady shiva right?

Tim was trained by the REAL Lady Shiva PreFlashpoint and he couldn't have beat Dick

#13 Posted by Knightfall225 (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing of course

#14 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Edited by QueenCorp15 (1034 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing by far

#17 Posted by Alak (926 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with Nightwing, but this match-up is a lot closer now as opposed to their pre-52 counterparts. Jason got some pretty impressive buffs while Nightwing got nerfed.

#18 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow said:

@lifeofvibe: Yes. I already know. It's why he has such a connection to the League Of Assassins. Cheshire confirmed it. But it seems she doesn't hold much faith in him, calling him brainless. Cheshire too.

Well he is pretty clueless right now lol

Yeah and he's expected to lead the League of Assassins.

#20 Posted by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@jayaaerow said:

@lifeofvibe: Yes. I already know. It's why he has such a connection to the League Of Assassins. Cheshire confirmed it. But it seems she doesn't hold much faith in him, calling him brainless. Cheshire too.

Well he is pretty clueless right now lol

Yeah and he's expected to lead the League of Assassins.

lol

#21 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (872 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing all the way.

#22 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@jayaaerow said:

@lifeofvibe: Yes. I already know. It's why he has such a connection to the League Of Assassins. Cheshire confirmed it. But it seems she doesn't hold much faith in him, calling him brainless. Cheshire too.

Well he is pretty clueless right now lol

Yeah and he's expected to lead the League of Assassins.

lol

I laughed out loud. With the stuff happening to him, Bronze Tiger is like "You can do it! I have complete faith in you cause Talia does despite you having some random amnesia here and we're fighting god-like people that give us World's Greatest Assassins problems! NO PRESSSURE!" XD

#23 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (1638 posts) - - Show Bio

The point people are making by pointing out that Tim trained under Lady Shive Pre-Flashpoint, is that even with said training Dick was still superior to him. So to now say Jason trained under Lady Shiva Post-Flashpoint (SMH they really screwed up these 3 characters by switching aspects of character history around. No originality at all.) doesn't hold anymore water than Tim having trained under her Pre-Flashpoint. Means the same thing, but Dick's still superior to both.

#24 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

The point people are making by pointing out that Tim trained under Lady Shive Pre-Flashpoint, is that even with said training Dick was still superior to him. So to now say Jason trained under Lady Shiva Post-Flashpoint (SMH they really screwed up these 3 characters by switching aspects of character history around. No originality at all.) doesn't hold anymore water than Tim having trained under her Pre-Flashpoint. Means the same thing, but Dick's still superior to both.

Exactly. Just cause you had the best Teacher around doesn't mean you're just as skilled. Nightwing has proven that already. He kinda had to improve himself based on what he was taught. He's been around for 70 years....still ain't Batman-level skilled. Im pretty sure Jason Todd is not Lady Shiva-level just because he was trained by her. And judging from the way she treats him, i'm going to guess she's not so fond of his skills.

#25 Posted by lazyboy93 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

Ofc it's Nightwing that's the same answer you'll get when you put him up against any Robin.

#26 Edited by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

Ofc it's Nightwing that's the same answer you'll get when you put him up against any Robin.

lol

#27 Edited by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio

All these answers are nightwing bias that why i hate nightwing with a passion cause nobody seems to get over him hes like the justin bieber of comics yeah i dont like him at all

#28 Posted by Zijuun (854 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd put Nightwing's better only by the slightest.

He has better feats., (slightly better) skills, more experience, trained by Batman, etc.

#29 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio

@zijuun: only reason i would think nightwing wins is not because he has better feats but more like more feats

#30 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

Ofc it's Nightwing that's the same answer you'll get when you put him up against any Robin.

HAHA! XD

#31 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing

#32 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1638 posts) - - Show Bio

All these answers are nightwing bias that why i hate nightwing with a passion cause nobody seems to get over him hes like the justin bieber of comics yeah i dont like him at all

Yet you've provided no actual reason for why Jason Todd would win. It'd be like if people asked who'd win between Batman and Nightwing, and everyone was saying Batman, and then I went in and called them biased, when Batman has the feats and skills to back up such a victory. It's the exact same thing here and has nothing to do with anyone being bias just because they're not voting for the character you want them to.

#33 Edited by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: my last comment corrected myself i said the only reason i would think nightwing would win is because he hases better feats or more feats or both you can read up there sorry if you didnt catch that

#34 Posted by DarthAznable (6940 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk why people expect any of the other Robins to beat Nightwing. He's been at it way longer ontop of being a master acrobat.

#35 Posted by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

All Blades win

#36 Posted by JayAaerow (452 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthaznable:

The reasons would most likely be 1) Cause some fans favor one Former Robin/Robins over all and 2) Jason does have some rather weirds upgrades whereas Dick in New 52 got downgraded.

#37 Posted by dngn4774 (3122 posts) - - Show Bio

Do we even need to ask this? Every time Red Hood in Nightwing fight, Dick wins. As Jason Todd fans the best we are ever allowed to hope for is a stalemate.

@lazyboy93 said:

Ofc it's Nightwing that's the same answer you'll get when you put him up against any Robin.

HAHA! XD

So true that it actually hurts my pride.

#38 Posted by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason wins via All Blades to the head lol

#39 Posted by HighlyEvolved (313 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason. Pre-52 I would have said Nightwing, but Jason got a crazy boost in ability in the new 52. I think he could beat Nightwing 6/10 times.

#40 Posted by Aahz (88 posts) - - Show Bio

Did they fight against each other in new 52?
Pre-52 Dick hat 10 years more experience/training than Jason (Dick is 6-7 years older and Jason lost 3 1/2 year between his dead and the Lazarus pit).

In the new 52 they are closer in age, Jason was probably only dead for half a year and was trained by the all cast.

#41 Posted by daredevil21134 (11758 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason. Pre-52 I would have said Nightwing, but Jason got a crazy boost in ability in the new 52. I think he could beat Nightwing 6/10 times.

I agree

#42 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1638 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

Did they fight against each other in new 52?

Closest I can think of would be during the New 52 Under the Hood, which was itself only a flashback that showed Jason holding a gun on Bruce, and then Dick intervening. We have no idea where things went from there, though Jason obviously didn't kill either Bruce or Dick. So there's been no real fight on panel.

I find it harder to say who'd win Post-52, as while we've gone fairly in-depth into the training Jason underwent, the same hasn't been done for Dick; or Tim for that matter. (Damian it seems didn't change at all, keeping the training from his mom and various tutors.)

#43 Posted by Aahz (88 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk why people expect any of the other Robins to beat Nightwing. He's been at it way longer ontop of being a master acrobat.

I'm not sure if he would still win, if you compare them at a similar age and stages of their career (and comic book eras). For example if you compare before they were trained (Dick from "Year 3" vs. Jason from Batman #408-#409 vs. Tim from "A Lonely Place of Dying") or when they start their solo careers (Dick from "Nightwing: Year one" vs. Jason from "Under the Hood", vs. Tim at the beginning of the Red Robin series).

#44 Posted by darktiger (4529 posts) - - Show Bio

jason wins

#45 Posted by Justthatkid (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

In a comic Grayson would win because he was the first Robin, to my knowledge based on training and showings Jason should win.

#46 Posted by darktiger (4529 posts) - - Show Bio

In a comic Grayson would win because he was the first Robin, to my knowledge based on training and showings Jason should win.

#47 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Posted by Justthatkid (3830 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by lifeofvibe (3481 posts) - - Show Bio
#50 Posted by darktiger (4529 posts) - - Show Bio

t's obvious Jason wins best on plain better feats and he got upgraded to a whole nother level and he doesn't have his rage anymore I mean just look at both of their new 52 respect threads

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