" Secret Six "

" most insteresting? that's kinda sad..considering he's the most cliche character they have.  kid grows up in a bad way..get's taken under the wing of someone great...feels betrayed by some event..and becomes bad/half bad.  oh yah..that's "SO" interesting /yawn  what should be "next" for him? kill him off... "

" wait, how come i don't recall the 3rd comic strip (red hood telling them drug dealers to stay away from school kids) anywhere? which comic was it in? i do remember that scene in under the red hood movie. anyone can tell me?  thanks "

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Call me crazy...but I think I'd have much rather he just stayed dead and none of this happened.

" Jason Todd is so awful that comics fans paid money to have him killed off.  Bringing him back is a disgrace and removes character development from Batman, a far more important character.

" @Zoom said:

" Jason Todd is so awful that comics fans paid money to have him killed off.  Bringing him back is a disgrace and removes character development from Batman, a far more important character.

The return of Jason Todd psychologically affected Batman and allowed him to develop as a character. He represents Batman's failures and became a much more interesting character after his death as Robin. "

Death?

" @Babs:    " The return of Jason Todd psychologically affected Batman and allowed him to develop as a character. He represents Batman's failures and became a much more interesting character after his death as Robin."Babs, I'm going to have to staunchly disagree. His death already accomplished that and in a much more effective way. He was already the symbol of Batman's failure in death, that was his great impact, his one accomplishment. We saw Batman downward spiral in the following arc which introduced Tim Drake, the best Robin IMO. And Clayface impersonating him in Hush handled how Bruce would react to seeing him again, and how the memory of that failure still haunts him. Due to all of this I find his resurrection nothing but an ill-executed publicity stunt. It's a little too convenient that Winnick decided to (and haphazardly so) resurrect Jason Todd right when Bucky was being brought back @ Marvel. DC wanted to ride the wave and steal some thunder. They more or less took the whole angle Marvel was on. Bucky comes buck but as an edgy, deadlier version of his mentor whom he resents. Jason Todd just happens to be likewise...what a coincidence.   "

Judd Winnick voted to keep Jason and I'm pretty sure dedicated most of his life to get to this point just to piss people off. Bringing Jason back was a terrible decision for continuity and story line  now all he is is nothing more but another faceless rogue in the Bat Gallery his affect on the character was far more powerful as a haunting ghost on Batman's conscious not to mention his whole resurrection was rushed and uncreative 

"I also see Jason as a throwback  to the tragic Greek heroes, like Achilles, who relished battle more than anything else, and died young because of his blood lust and his own delusions of immortalilty."

So many disagreeing tenses...

Well said.  A Lonely Place of Dying was much better than Under the Hood. "

" @Big said:

"I also see Jason as a throwback  to the tragic Greek heroes, like Achilles, who relished battle more than anything else, and died young because of his blood lust and his own delusions of immortalilty."

Oh totally agree. 
 
And D-Man reminds me of Perseus.
 
You've got to be kidding me.  Jason died because nobody liked him. "

Well if that's true then no one liked Dick Grayson back then, either. Jason lost by a small margin,  5,343 votes to 5,271. "

" @Babs said:

Well if that's true then no one liked Dick Grayson back then, either. Jason lost by a small margin,  5,343 votes to 5,271. "

What does that have to do with Dick? "

"@Zoom said:

" @Babs said:

Well if that's true then no one liked Dick Grayson back then, either. Jason lost by a small margin,  5,343 votes to 5,271. "

What does that have to do with Dick? "

Dick Grayson's "life" was spared by only 72 votes. I'm pointing out your gross overstatement of "everyone hating" Jason Todd. "

"I could care less.  I liked him better as a corpse.  Same as Bucky. "

Superboy died in IC because if Dick died the planet would implode and Didio soon realized that

Seriously.  Geoff Johns wrote a story to kill off his favorite Titan rather than killing Nightwing.  He's far more popular than Jason Todd ever was.

I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article!

...Seriously...why then are you here rating? If you don't like him, you don't like him...just ignore the article and move on.

"I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article!"

"...Seriously...why then are you here rating? If you don't like him, you don't like him...just ignore the article and move on. "

" I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article! "

"I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article!"

" @daredevil21134: They just waste time here. "

Hey "bro," people dislike your character so much that over five thousand of them called DC and paid a dollar so that he'd die.

" @Babs said:

"I think some people are too hopped up on fanboy pills to bother reading the article!"

I think some people are too full of themselves to admit when they don't know their facts. "

Take it easy.

"

Hey "bro," people dislike your character so much that over five thousand of them called DC and paid a dollar so that he'd die.

"

"@Zoom said:

"

Hey "bro," people dislike your character so much that over five thousand of them called DC and paid a dollar so that he'd die.

"

over 20 years ago "

* Facepalm* Oh well whatever...anyway is this why people hate Damian so much? Because he reminds them of Jason Todd?

"@Zoom: As a matter a fact i think he is...but i'm just gonna leave it at that "

"* Facepalm* Oh well whatever...anyway is this why people hate Damian so much? Because he reminds them of Jason Todd? "

"* Facepalm* Oh well whatever...anyway is this why people hate Damian so much? Because he reminds them of Jason Todd? "

" @daredevil21134: -_____- a LOT"

@Primmaster64 said:

"I know people don't like Dick even."

Yeah but unlike Jason, Dick lead DC's best selling book for a decade then had his own solo series that was pretty good for a decade and now he's being written by Grant Morrison. 
 
That's a lot better than Jason Todd has been doing lately and probably better than Jason ever will do.
 
@Primmaster64 said:

"What can you do?"

" @daredevil21134: O_O really?"