He is definitely one of the more interesting characters and you did an amazing job pointing out all the things that make him so. Bravo! So many people just write him off which is a shame in my opinion. I find his struggle with anger and acceptance very appealing, but then I've always liked characters that have psychological issues.
I think sometimes people make the mistake of saying he was flawed but honored and stuff like Battle for the Cowl ruined him but this guy was flawed since he crawled out of the grave he's killed time and time again stabbed Onyx to prove a point and smiled at the nuclear explosion of Bludhaven just because he thought Dick was in there no matter the loss of life.
He also endangered Bruce's life out of feelings of abandonment all of this was under Judd Winick's pen what happened was a mistake writers made which was ignore all of his violent dark tendencies to make him a morally ambiguous character and when he took that role up there was less to say about him.
So when he is made a full on villain it is a natural transformation but many fans tend to ignore his actions as well calling them out of character as well as saying he should be redeemed when the character himself does not want to be and it is a mistake to redeem him sometimes characters are just bad. Just because he kills criminals does not mean he is good or even an Anti-Hero he kills targets he finds that would hurt Bruce because it is against Bruce's code he is doing it to hurt someone else for his own satisfaction.
His legacy became Bruce's greatest mistake since he was killed but if he is back and normal then it is not as much a mistake so keep him a villain the young hero in "What do you get for the man who has everything?" and "Batman The Cult" is not as important as much as the Robin gone bad.
I think you're right, as a Robin he was always more of a sob-story than anything else, and it was how his career as Robin ended that made him remembered how he is. It's also the fact that, while he won't admit it, he's still trying to be Dick. He's sticking to his guns and showing that there's no line he won't cross to achieve results, but in the end, he's still trying to prove to Bruce that he can do this. He's still trying to prove that he can beat Dick at the whole "saving Gotham" thing.
Good article, just something, when referring to Winick's comic arc it's Under the Hood, not under the red hood. I really like the mini series they gave him over the summer through fall of this year. Winick obviously is giving Todd an Oedipus complex. Any thoughts?
" Good article, just something, when referring to Winick's comic arc it's Under the Hood, not under the red hood. I really like the mini series they gave him over the summer through fall of this year. Winick obviously is giving Todd an Oedipus complex. Any thoughts? "Winick's writings have many sexual elements sometimes not to good people were loving Jason and Talia and joking they should get together but when it happened it bothered them he also used sex in a negative way which seemed to cause some damage to Green Arrow after coming back and becoming a family man under Kevin Smith's run.
As long as it's nothing lame, I'm looking forward to what it is they plan to do with him. And yeah, keep him an antihero/villian/byronic-hero or whatever the heck you want to categorize him as. I'd like to see him take some part in this whole Batman Inc thing. Maybe since Bruce is looking for multiple Batmen Jason could take advantage or something. But I dunno if he'd even bother putting on another Bat-suit. Speaking of costumes...can we get a revamp of his Red Hood suit...it's pretty lame and dorky >.>
As a character, he works because he's the cautionary tale. His flaws highlight the traits that are necessary for being a hero in the DC world.
He's the angry kid who wants to prove everyone wrong and most people can relate to that on some level.
I disagree. I don't think Jason " is so complicated" at all, and that can be seen through how easily Babs explained his entire rationale. Jason is very obviously the "black sheep" or "prodigal son" or whatever slightly clichéd metaphor you want to use (I prefer "red-headed stepchild" because he its more literal and i love irony).
I think Jason enjoys so much devotion from his fans because he's so straightforwardly flawed. It may sound a bit sexist, and for that I apologize, but the best comparison I can think of is the "bad boy" at school that all the girls love because they think they can "fix" him. And the biggest "fan-girl" of all was Bruce Wayne.
I posit that unlike Bruce, DIck, and Tim, Jason never wanted to do what's right, he was just looking for approval. I also think that a lot of Jason's persecution complex (poor me, i was never good enough for you) is imagined, because he wasn't getting the constant approval he was looking for. All his Red Hood stuff is just the temper-tantrums of a whining child… who happens to have expert martial arts training and access to high explosives.
I think his vote-in death was malicious and overall distasteful but his resurrection has ultimately been a failure. It was stupid and pointless and obviously meant to contend with Bucky coming back.
I wish the editorial restrictions on resurrection that existed in the 90's (Destroyed by Norman Osborn, creating a truly dark reign of unnecessary resurrections) would return.
I feel like Jason was the one mistake of Morrison's run on Batman and Robin....he very nearly ruined the character....I think Winnick writes Jason perfectly and I would love to see Winnick writing a Jason Todd ongoing...but he'll need to retconn the balding, redheaded, fish bowl wearing mistake that Morrison made him into
I think you nailed it in the quoted statement above.
While I may not find him to be the best Robin (his character flourished after his death,) I do think he is one of the more interesting characters in the Batman universe, what do you think? "
"I feel like Jason was the one mistake of Morrison's run on Batman and Robin....he very nearly ruined the character....I think Winnick writes Jason perfectly and I would love to see Winnick writing a Jason Todd ongoing...but he'll need to retconn the balding, redheaded, fish bowl wearing mistake that Morrison made him into "
Please, after all the dirty crap that DC put him through, shouldn't he have a chance to redeem himself? A chance at redemption? I know he was never the best Robin, that he was whiny and a mass killer and Batman's failed son... but there still might be a chance for him to rejoin the Bat-Family, maybe even Batman Inc. He wanted to be like Dick, but the world ruined him. But there is still a chance for him to go back to Bruce, to get mental help and rejoin.
I guess I must be in the minority. I never really liked Jason very much. He always struck me as "the angry robin" who is stuck in neutral. He's angry at Bruce for not killing the Joker. He's angry because he feels like no matter how hard he tries he wont be as good as Dick or Tim. This may make him more interesting, but personally, I would like Jason to move on, to stop wallowing in all that anger, but then again, he would be a good red lantern.
While I dislike Jason as Robin, being Red Hood made me like him seeing him do things Batman would never do. His stories have been great except for Grant Morrison's run in Batman and Robin. I also enjoyed Winick's run with the Lost Days as well. Keep him as an anti-hero, but go back to his original outfit. I hate that Red Hood outfit in Batman and Robin.
Todd's one of my favorite DC characters-once he put on the hood and even more when he dressed up as batman and started shooting at people.
He would make the perfect villian for dick-or he could finally move on to bigger & better things.
And I would imagine he'd be more of a re lantern than a yellow one...but I see your point.
This is a great article! Jason's a favourite of mine, as well, and I'm actually one of the mods of a tumblr blog dedicated to him. We recently received an essay from a student on Jason and audience interactivity. What I found most interesting in the essay is how it brought up that fans didn't like him as the hero, but current fans seemed to have embraced him under the transformed anti-hero. They weren't OK with the hero possibly pushing a serial rapist off a roof, but a flawed anti-hero? Yes, definitely.
If Judd ever does get to do an Jason ongoing (which I'd be more than on board for!), that feat alone would be quite the story, especially since it seems, from his Newsarama interview that fans are actually asking for more Jason. Fans who more than two decades ago were willing to see and wanted Jason to be killed. It's a complete 180 and it shows how a character can flourish under a good writer. It would certainly make for a great story.
Winick did say in that Newsarama interview he was going to let people know *soon* when we'd hear more news about Jason -- hopefully this announcement will be within the next week or so?
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