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    Character » Jason Todd appears in 1754 issues.

    Jason Todd was the second Robin, until he was brutally murdered by the Joker. After he was resurrected, Jason learned Batman didn't avenge his death. Anguished and seeking vengeance, he initially turned against his mentor and father figure and took on the Clown Prince's former identity: the Red Hood. He eventually returned to the Bat-Family and assembled a team of anti-heroes known as the Outlaws.

    Jason's Redemption? (Caution Spoilers to Batman Inc #6)

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    #51  Edited By daredevil21134
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:
    " @entropy_aegis said:
    " @daredevil21134 said:
    " @RedHoodsDen said:

    " @entropy_aegis said:

    " @RedHoodsDen said:
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    "I get it, Bruce"

    Such tone...it must be Jason...
    "
    Is this sarcasm? "
    I dunno, what was the tone like? "
    http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2972745.html     "
    LOL.I personally hope it's JPV.Now that would be AWESOME. "
    Yuck, no. Death to 90s Azrael! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! "
    Yeah I never really liked JPV
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    #52  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:

    " @entropy_aegis said:

    " @daredevil21134 said:
    " @RedHoodsDen said:

    " @entropy_aegis said:

    " @RedHoodsDen said:
    " "I get it, Bruce"

    Such tone...it must be Jason...
    "
    Is this sarcasm? "
    I dunno, what was the tone like? "
    http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2972745.html     "
    LOL.I personally hope it's JPV.Now that would be AWESOME. "
    Yuck, no. Death to 90s Azrael! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! "
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    #53  Edited By entropy_aegis

    Screw Dent,he's a hopeless lost cause not to mention he's next to useless.

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    #54  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt
    @entropy_aegis: Why do you hurt me so, my friend?
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    #55  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:
    " @entropy_aegis: Why do you hurt me so, my friend? "
    LOL,Az stole Bruce's food.
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    #56  Edited By daredevil21134

    hmmmm

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    #57  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt
    @entropy_aegis said:

    " Screw Dent,he's a hopeless lost cause not to mention he's next to useless. "

    True, but he's far more interesting that Azrael, and Judd Winick won't want to write a character-destroying origin story for him after the publication.

    (Talia was the destroyed character for anyone who didn't realise I was talking about her. )
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    #58  Edited By Primmaster64

    Damn

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    #59  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:
    " @entropy_aegis said:

    " Screw Dent,he's a hopeless lost cause not to mention he's next to useless. "

    True, but he's far more interesting that Azrael, and Judd Winick won't want to write a character-destroying origin story for him after the publication.(Talia was the destroyed character for anyone who didn't realise I was talking about her. ) "
    LOL,but i disagree on Harvey being more interesting.Dent's character outside of his origin always seemed hollow.He could'nt carry sympathy could he.Be it cartoons or comics i only ever pitied him when he became Two-face other than that he has always been written as a generic freak.It's one of the reasons why i feel Nolan killed him so that he could retain his sympathy.
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    #60  Edited By RedHoodsDen

    Years ago, I'd suggested to Didio that if Dent were to kill Montoya's Question and realized it was her after, it might be a traumatic enough event to splinter him yet again, but as a third more powerful personality... the Question. Think of the mask as sort of metaphorically and actually covering his dual selves. You could then use his guise to go further into the duality of man and answer the complex "Question" about Harvey's nature, is he a good or bad soul? It could concievably allow the one villain capable of some growth a bit of redemption. I also acknowledged little would stop them from just returning to the status quo whenever they felt like it. I felt it was a way to attach a more famous character with stronger Batman ties to the Question while advancing a character, that basically, you can only tell even remotely decent stories about, 1-2 years into the timeline. The overall point to it was, Didio said even though the idea was cool. that you really can't do anything with TwoFace because he's basically the second biggest Rogue of them all. I view that as problematic more than anything. Ignoring great story potential, even if it would be reversed later for the status quo, should not be ignored to justify the typical shit 3 issue story that happens every 2 years or so.I felt it would also create greater sympathy for him if he eventually went bad again as well. 


    Take OYL as a further example of this, Harvey Dent protected Gotham for an entire year. There wasn't even a mini to look at this plot. Harvey had his face back for like 3 years and they did next to nothing. 

    Entropy, you're absolutely right about why Nolan did what he did with Dent. BTW, what's the Azrael fight pics from?
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    #61  Edited By DEGRAAF


    I would find it interesting but ultimately not what i want for Jason. I want Jason to

     

    1.) Stop being the red hood or at least go back to the motorcycle helmet style

     

    2.) Be Dick Grayson's greatest villain

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    #62  Edited By RedHoodsDen

    Slade is Dick's greatest villain.  He's Dick's only great villain.

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    #63  Edited By DEGRAAF

    I think the suit just looks similar to Jason's Red Hood Persona and that is part of the reason why people are thinking it is him
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    #64  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @RedHoodsDen:
    Azrael 99
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    #65  Edited By daredevil21134

    I think it might turn out to be Michael Lane but I REALLY REALLY hope not
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    #66  Edited By jrock85

    I wouldn't mind if it was Jason, but I'd rather see him establish his own identity, separate from the Bat family.

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    #67  Edited By Primmaster64

    ain't Jason more like Dick's rival?

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    #68  Edited By jukeboxheroabc

    I don't think it's Alfred, and if it was Dent wouldn't he have to know who Bruce is. I understand about Jason not being the Wingman due to the upcoming BnR but I was just making a guess. JPV was a Black Lantern so he would have needed to return somehow and due to DC's stance on Death so far it would be kinda hard, (Though as several you pointed Morrison does what he wants), So I was thinking Jason was a logical choice due to the conversation and also the look drawn on Bruce's face,(I saw it as a father looking at a wayward son finally returning home). Perhaps It could be someone we don't know or a hero outside of the Batfamily that needs to be redeemed as well. I see who ever Wingman is, as someone who needs to regain lost honor due to the conversation. 

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    #69  Edited By Nighthunter

    Look at the body posture, this is someone Bruce loves but also is kinda concerned for. He knows his name, if it ain't Jason that should narrow the options a lot
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    #70  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @RedHoodsDen said:
    Slade is Dick's greatest villain.  He's Dick's only great villain.
    Blockbuster,KG beast,Talia,Todd all come to mind.But Slade is better than any Batvillian though.
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    #71  Edited By reaperkenswolf

    I certainly hope they aren't recruiting Jason into Batman Inc. The best part of Jason's character is that he grew out of the Robin persona in almost the complete opposite way Dick Grayson did. He thinks that he's doing what needs to be done and that his methods get better results, but you know they're not.

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    #72  Edited By John Valentine

    F^&k you, haters.


    I hope it is Jason. Not that it truly matters, he's worthless anyway.
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    @John Valentine:
    >"f^&k you haters"
    >"he's worthless anyway"
    >wat
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    #74  Edited By RedHoodsDen
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @RedHoodsDen said:
    Slade is Dick's greatest villain.  He's Dick's only great villain.
    Blockbuster,KG beast,Talia,Todd all come to mind.But Slade is better than any Batvillian though.
    Those all feel like handmedowns from dad.
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    #75  Edited By daredevil21134

    lol
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    #76  Edited By DarcStorm

    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.

    And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.

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    #77  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
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    #78  Edited By daredevil21134
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
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    #79  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
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    #80  Edited By daredevil21134
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
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    #81  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
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    #82  Edited By daredevil21134
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.

        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
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    #83  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
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    #84  Edited By daredevil21134
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
    Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol
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    #85  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
    Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol
    You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.
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    #86  Edited By daredevil21134
         @entropy_aegis said: 
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
    Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol
    You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.

    Thats true well the Red Hood has been apprehended and returned to Batman lol
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    #87  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @daredevil21134 said:
         @entropy_aegis said: 
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
    Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol
    You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.

    Thats true well the Red Hood has been apprehended and returned to Batman lol
    Yes that's more like it lol.
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    #88  Edited By daredevil21134
    @entropy_aegis said:
    @daredevil21134 said:
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    @DarcStorm said:
    Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.

    Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.

    Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
    Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
    I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOT
    On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)
    I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle
    Ask Jason LMAO.
        I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
    You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".
    Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol
    You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.

    Thats true well the Red Hood has been apprehended and returned to Batman lol
    Yes that's more like it lol.
    XD
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    #89  Edited By DarcStorm

    Don't get me wrong, I want to see Jason be his OWN persona...but it just looks to me like everything leadin' up to him bein' Wingman. Hahaa...Wingman. Does that mean that Bruce is only usin' him for the bar scenes?

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    #90  Edited By TriSkeith13


    After looking through the old issues of the club of heroes and the gathering of them during Morrison's run, I made a startling realization.

     

    The new Wingman may be Jonathan Mayhew.

     

    The club of horoes for the most part were a close knit group who got further and further from one another. When Batman's call for reunification came, they met on Jonathan Mayhew's island.

     

    Jonathan betrayed the Group of Heroes, of which he was always considered an outcast (due to him never truly taking an batman-esque identity and instead kept his persona as Mayhew, which ofcourse to heroes like the "Club" would be a constant reminder of who they actually were and not who they were pretending to be) of the group. The Black Glove eventually coerced him to betraying the club and also converted Wingman to his cause, causing both Wingman and the Ranger's death.

     

    He was on his island when it detonated at the behest of Hurt when Mayhew failed in killing them all. Taking the wingman identity and truly fighting crime might be the only way for a surviving Mayhew to redeem himself with the hero community, specifically the Batmen of the World.

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    @TriSkeith13: Well, shit . . .  Kudos ,sir,  I am utterly impressed.
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    #92  Edited By entropy_aegis
    @TriSkeith13:
    Nope Mayhew was dead and in one panel  we see his corpse hanging.Plus he was one of the members of the older incarnation of the Black Glove(Return of Bruce Wayne) and he does'nt know Batman's secret either.
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    #93  Edited By RedHoodJT

    I can honestly say as much as I would like to say its Jason. I'm going with its Jean Paul. I mean Jean Paul, in a lot of ways, acted like Jason. So I can see how anyone could get the attitude is Jason but I really think its JPV.

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    #94  Edited By TriSkeith13
    @entropy_aegis
    Hmm.....after looking through the evidence, it would appear you are correct sir. Well played. Still, there are other possibilities.
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    #95  Edited By jukeboxheroabc
    @RedHoodJT:  JPV is currently dead since he came back as a Black Lantern. idk who it could  be if it isn't Jason. Dick is a slight possibility though it wouldn't make much sense, the same goes for Tim. though it could be someone obscure that we haven't thought of.
     
    Any other ideas people? 
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    #96  Edited By RedHoodsDen

    I'm still waiting on it being Clark.

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    #97  Edited By jukeboxheroabc
    @RedHoodsDen: Interesting choice, may I ask what gives you this theory of it being Clark? I'm not arguing with you, I actually  can see it, I just am curious on your hypothesis.
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    #98  Edited By RedHoodJT
    @jukeboxheroabc: Well I mean Jade was a Black Lantern and now she's back as a slave to Eclipso but she's back. So it could be JPV. And if that is the case then Jason could be Azrael.
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    #99  Edited By daredevil21134
    @RedHoodJT said:
    @jukeboxheroabc: Well I mean Jade was a Black Lantern and now she's back as a slave to Eclipso but she's back. So it could be JPV. And if that is the case then Jason could be Azrael.
    I like Michael Lane as- Azrael
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    #100  Edited By RedHoodJT
    @daredevil21134: Oh really? I'm not a huge fan of the new Azrael.

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