" @entropy_aegis said:Yeah I never really liked JPV" @daredevil21134 said:Yuck, no. Death to 90s Azrael! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! "" @RedHoodsDen said:LOL.I personally hope it's JPV.Now that would be AWESOME. "http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2972745.html "" @entropy_aegis said:
" @RedHoodsDen said:I dunno, what was the tone like? ""Is this sarcasm? ""I get it, Bruce"Such tone...it must be Jason..."
Jason Todd
Character » Jason Todd appears in 1754 issues.
Jason Todd was the second Robin, until he was brutally murdered by the Joker. After he was resurrected, Jason learned Batman didn't avenge his death. Anguished and seeking vengeance, he initially turned against his mentor and father figure and took on the Clown Prince's former identity: the Red Hood. He eventually returned to the Bat-Family and assembled a team of anti-heroes known as the Outlaws.
Jason's Redemption? (Caution Spoilers to Batman Inc #6)
" @entropy_aegis said:
" @daredevil21134 said:Yuck, no. Death to 90s Azrael! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! Harvey Dent! "" @RedHoodsDen said:LOL.I personally hope it's JPV.Now that would be AWESOME. "http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2972745.html "" @entropy_aegis said:
" @RedHoodsDen said:I dunno, what was the tone like? "" "I get it, Bruce"Is this sarcasm? "
Such tone...it must be Jason...
"
" @entropy_aegis: Why do you hurt me so, my friend? "LOL,Az stole Bruce's food.
True, but he's far more interesting that Azrael, and Judd Winick won't want to write a character-destroying origin story for him after the publication." Screw Dent,he's a hopeless lost cause not to mention he's next to useless. "
(Talia was the destroyed character for anyone who didn't realise I was talking about her. )
" @entropy_aegis said:LOL,but i disagree on Harvey being more interesting.Dent's character outside of his origin always seemed hollow.He could'nt carry sympathy could he.Be it cartoons or comics i only ever pitied him when he became Two-face other than that he has always been written as a generic freak.It's one of the reasons why i feel Nolan killed him so that he could retain his sympathy.True, but he's far more interesting that Azrael, and Judd Winick won't want to write a character-destroying origin story for him after the publication.(Talia was the destroyed character for anyone who didn't realise I was talking about her. ) "" Screw Dent,he's a hopeless lost cause not to mention he's next to useless. "
Years ago, I'd suggested to Didio that if Dent were to kill Montoya's Question and realized it was her after, it might be a traumatic enough event to splinter him yet again, but as a third more powerful personality... the Question. Think of the mask as sort of metaphorically and actually covering his dual selves. You could then use his guise to go further into the duality of man and answer the complex "Question" about Harvey's nature, is he a good or bad soul? It could concievably allow the one villain capable of some growth a bit of redemption. I also acknowledged little would stop them from just returning to the status quo whenever they felt like it. I felt it was a way to attach a more famous character with stronger Batman ties to the Question while advancing a character, that basically, you can only tell even remotely decent stories about, 1-2 years into the timeline. The overall point to it was, Didio said even though the idea was cool. that you really can't do anything with TwoFace because he's basically the second biggest Rogue of them all. I view that as problematic more than anything. Ignoring great story potential, even if it would be reversed later for the status quo, should not be ignored to justify the typical shit 3 issue story that happens every 2 years or so.I felt it would also create greater sympathy for him if he eventually went bad again as well.
Take OYL as a further example of this, Harvey Dent protected Gotham for an entire year. There wasn't even a mini to look at this plot. Harvey had his face back for like 3 years and they did next to nothing.
I don't think it's Alfred, and if it was Dent wouldn't he have to know who Bruce is. I understand about Jason not being the Wingman due to the upcoming BnR but I was just making a guess. JPV was a Black Lantern so he would have needed to return somehow and due to DC's stance on Death so far it would be kinda hard, (Though as several you pointed Morrison does what he wants), So I was thinking Jason was a logical choice due to the conversation and also the look drawn on Bruce's face,(I saw it as a father looking at a wayward son finally returning home). Perhaps It could be someone we don't know or a hero outside of the Batfamily that needs to be redeemed as well. I see who ever Wingman is, as someone who needs to regain lost honor due to the conversation.
Look at the body posture, this is someone Bruce loves but also is kinda concerned for. He knows his name, if it ain't Jason that should narrow the options a lot
Slade is Dick's greatest villain. He's Dick's only great villain.Blockbuster,KG beast,Talia,Todd all come to mind.But Slade is better than any Batvillian though.
I certainly hope they aren't recruiting Jason into Batman Inc. The best part of Jason's character is that he grew out of the Robin persona in almost the complete opposite way Dick Grayson did. He thinks that he's doing what needs to be done and that his methods get better results, but you know they're not.
@RedHoodsDen said:Those all feel like handmedowns from dad.Slade is Dick's greatest villain. He's Dick's only great villain.Blockbuster,KG beast,Talia,Todd all come to mind.But Slade is better than any Batvillian though.
Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.
And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
Ok...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@daredevil21134 said:@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you
@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@daredevil21134 said:Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@entropy_aegis said:You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.@daredevil21134 said:Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
@daredevil21134 said:@entropy_aegis said:You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.@daredevil21134 said:Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.
Yes that's more like it lol.@entropy_aegis said:@daredevil21134 said:@entropy_aegis said:You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.@daredevil21134 said:Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.Thats true well the Red Hood has been apprehended and returned to Batman lol
@daredevil21134 said:XDYes that's more like it lol.@entropy_aegis said:@daredevil21134 said:@entropy_aegis said:You're Daredevil dude,sheesh.@daredevil21134 said:Ok I just told him that and threw a freaking crowbar at me lol@entropy_aegis said:You should have said"hey atleast i don't wear a giant red pill over my head".@daredevil21134 said:I asked him and he pointed a gun at me and said get the hell outta here before I smack the crap outta of you@entropy_aegis said:Ask Jason LMAO.@daredevil21134 said:I like him as Azrael but that what happens when you take someone's mantle@entropy_aegis said:On the bright side atleast Lane will become writeable(spelling)@DarcStorm said:I think its Michael Lane but God I HOPE NOTOk...first, we got a man who knows Bruce is Batman.Or JPV.Bruce needs a heavy hitter against that Heretic guy.No one can take him based on what said in "The return" oneshot.
Then we have a person who needs to be redeemed.
Throw in the fact that if Bruce is recrutin' him, then he HAS to know who to fight.And top it all off with the talk that's goin' to happen...and you get Jason. That's the only choice that makes sense.Thats true well the Red Hood has been apprehended and returned to Batman lol
After looking through the old issues of the club of heroes and the gathering of them during Morrison's run, I made a startling realization.
The new Wingman may be Jonathan Mayhew.
The club of horoes for the most part were a close knit group who got further and further from one another. When Batman's call for reunification came, they met on Jonathan Mayhew's island.
Jonathan betrayed the Group of Heroes, of which he was always considered an outcast (due to him never truly taking an batman-esque identity and instead kept his persona as Mayhew, which ofcourse to heroes like the "Club" would be a constant reminder of who they actually were and not who they were pretending to be) of the group. The Black Glove eventually coerced him to betraying the club and also converted Wingman to his cause, causing both Wingman and the Ranger's death.
He was on his island when it detonated at the behest of Hurt when Mayhew failed in killing them all. Taking the wingman identity and truly fighting crime might be the only way for a surviving Mayhew to redeem himself with the hero community, specifically the Batmen of the World.
Nope Mayhew was dead and in one panel we see his corpse hanging.Plus he was one of the members of the older incarnation of the Black Glove(Return of Bruce Wayne) and he does'nt know Batman's secret either.
Hmm.....after looking through the evidence, it would appear you are correct sir. Well played. Still, there are other possibilities.
Any other ideas people?
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