Jason Todd in ten years

#1 Posted by RunawayXY (158 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd isn't a known character (To the public) So that means he's actually capable of some character development unlike any of the popular heroes (Like Steve Rogers staying away from the mantle) So where do you think he'll be in ten real years? I don't think he can continue to be the Robin with daddy issues forever, something has to change. 

#2 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

You can never know. Some characters have been around for 30 years, and still aren't well known to the general public. As many people have said, though, Jason Todd has potential to be DC's Punisher. After all, DC has WAY too little anti-heroes.

#3 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio
@RunawayXY:
Hopefully, someone will undo the horrible characterization we saw in BFTC and the first arc of Batman and Robin.
#4 Posted by Wattup (648 posts) - - Show Bio

I still contend he should never have been resurrected. It hasn't added anything to Bat-storylines.

#5 Posted by DarthSaeris (6 posts) - - Show Bio

While he played a formidable villain in the Batman and Robin arc, I do agree that there needs to be some kind of character development for him aside from murdering criminals with guns non-stop and harping on and on about how Batman screwed him over, and how the other Robins suck. Wah Wah. I definitely think along the same lines as Wattup in that he never should have come back, but I suppose we have to deal with him for now.

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#6 Posted by Meinos Kaen (39 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm... Gotta give a point on not addiing anything to the series, mostly because I find it hard to see Bruce getting any more miserable than he is when faced with death and his failures. That's the problem, I think. They always use Jason to make a story about other people. While Dick and Damian work, it doesn't work that much with Bruce any more since the character has been squeezed for everything in these last fifty years. The Under the Hood arc was awesome but not because of Bruce's actions/reactions, mostly because of Jason, because Jason was the news.

Jason as a character is basically a newborn that has the prejudice of years of inactivity and blatant blindness (even in death), and he should be the one focused on, explored and squeezed dry for everything or at least put in conflict with characters that can still be squeezed.

Also, I take a little rant of opportunity here.  Recently, I noticed something... What the hell is with the decades-long 'failed recless disobedient Robin' thing? Did any writer after his death bother to read A death in the family or any comic featuring him? OR ANY COMIC FEATURING DICK AS ROBIN?! Literal quote from the boy wonder himself: 'I made a career out of disobeying orders.' It's like they all focus on Jason dieing and translate: dieing on duty=not good enough. How the hell is that fair? Superman died. That means he's not good enough?

It's like everyone forgets three little facts: 1. Jason didn't run in head first to attack the Joker, he sneaked in to warn his BIOLOGICAL MOTHER HE HAD NEVER SEEN AND JUST SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME of danger; 2. His OWN MOTHER sold him out to the Joker, leading him purposely into a trap; 3. In the end, he still tried to save the person who had sold him out, shielding her with her own body, symbolized by the fact that she survived him a few minutes.

So resuming, he died trying to warn his mother of a mortal danger, who led him into a trap and still he tried to save them both and shielded her with his own body. But he's a failure because he died. Hmmm... guess Donna Troy, Aqualad, Aquaman, Batman, Superman, Maxima, Tedd Kord, Hal Jordan, Green Arrow...

That's probably what I love about Winick's stories and take on the character. He focuses on the fact that Jason was angry and had a mean streak, and that I can understand, it's comprehensible and it's what makes him fascinating in the first place, but he's always put an emphasis on the fact that he's been trained by the Batman himself. Even when he was Robin, he was good. Now that he's back from the dead, he's even better.

#7 Posted by daredevil21134 (11347 posts) - - Show Bio
@Meinos Kaen said:
" Hmmm... Gotta give a point on not addiing anything to the series, mostly because I find it hard to see Bruce getting any more miserable than he is when faced with death and his failures. That's the problem, I think. They always use Jason to make a story about other people. While Dick and Damian work, it doesn't work that much with Bruce any more since the character has been squeezed for everything in these last fifty years. The Under the Hood arc was awesome but not because of Bruce's actions/reactions, mostly because of Jason, because Jason was the news.Jason as a character is basically a newborn that has the prejudice of years of inactivity and blatant blindness (even in death), and he should be the one focused on, explored and squeezed dry for everything or at least put in conflict with characters that can still be squeezed. Also, I take a little rant of opportunity here.  Recently, I noticed something... What the hell is with the decades-long 'failed recless disobedient Robin' thing? Did any writer after his death bother to read A death in the family or any comic featuring him? OR ANY COMIC FEATURING DICK AS ROBIN?! Literal quote from the boy wonder himself: 'I made a career out of disobeying orders.' It's like they all focus on Jason dieing and translate: dieing on duty=not good enough. How the hell is that fair? Superman died. That means he's not good enough?It's like everyone forgets three little facts: 1. Jason didn't run in head first to attack the Joker, he sneaked in to warn his BIOLOGICAL MOTHER HE HAD NEVER SEEN AND JUST SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME of danger; 2. His OWN MOTHER sold him out to the Joker, leading him purposely into a trap; 3. In the end, he still tried to save the person who had sold him out, shielding her with her own body, symbolized by the fact that she survived him a few minutes.So resuming, he died trying to warn his mother of a mortal danger, who led him into a trap and still he tried to save them both and shielded her with his own body. But he's a failure because he died. Hmmm... guess Donna Troy, Aqualad, Aquaman, Batman, Superman, Maxima, Tedd Kord, Hal Jordan, Green Arrow...That's probably what I love about Winick's stories and take on the character. He focuses on the fact that Jason was angry and had a mean streak, and that I can understand, it's comprehensible and it's what makes him fascinating in the first place, but he's always put an emphasis on the fact that he's been trained by the Batman himself. Even when he was Robin, he was good. Now that he's back from the dead, he's even better. "
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#8 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@Meinos Kaen:
I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention the specifics of Jason's death in comparision to Hal,Bruce,Supes etc.Jason was viewed as a failure cause he was'nt.... NOW READ THE UPCOMING PART VERY SLOWLY

 

AS GOOD AS DICK.

Also his failure was Bruce's too,and let's not compare stopping,Doomsday,Darkseid and Sun eater to getting whooped by the joker due to your own foolishness.

#9 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis: What is the issue Jason is making reappearance again? BnR number? i know it comes out in may i just forget the issue number.
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#10 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
" @entropy_aegis: What is the issue Jason is making reappearance again? BnR number? i know it comes out in may i just forget the issue number. "

23.
#11 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis: BnR 23? awesome thanks. And why dont i get any of your replies?
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#12 Edited by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
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@Meinos Kaen:
I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention the specifics of Jason's death in comparision to Hal,Bruce,Supes etc.Jason was viewed as a failure cause he was'nt.... NOW READ THE UPCOMING PART VERY SLOWLY

 

AS GOOD AS DICK.

Also his failure was Bruce's too,and let's not compare stopping,Doomsday,Darkseid and Sun eater to getting whooped by the joker due to your own foolishness.

"
Meh, at that same age Dick was nearly beaten to death with a baseball bat by TwoFace, because he too overestimated an opponent. A man even died in that fight because Dick thought he knew all. And he would've been dead had Bruce not escaped in time. 
#13 Posted by Rudyftw (987 posts) - - Show Bio

Well at the rate hes going, it's only a matter of time until he gets offed off for reals this time, or becomes a full blown villain with no moral code whatsoever..... Even though I think his character has potential to be a bad ass anti-hero most people would rather see him dead, or not mentioned at all. And after Battle For The Cowl, im pretty sure his image is tainted and can't be repaired... Thanks alot Tony Daniel..... douche.

#14 Posted by daredevil21134 (11347 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL

#15 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
" @entropy_aegis: BnR 23? awesome thanks. And why dont i get any of your replies? "

I don't get anyone's replies on this forum for some reason,save occasionally redhoodsden.Maybe i'm cursed. 
#16 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"@entropy_aegis said:
"

@Meinos Kaen:
I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention the specifics of Jason's death in comparision to Hal,Bruce,Supes etc.Jason was viewed as a failure cause he was'nt.... NOW READ THE UPCOMING PART VERY SLOWLY

 

AS GOOD AS DICK.

Also his failure was Bruce's too,and let's not compare stopping,Doomsday,Darkseid and Sun eater to getting whooped by the joker due to your own foolishness.

"
Meh, at that same age Dick was nearly beaten to death with a baseball bat by TwoFace, because he too overestimated an opponent. A man even died in that fight because Dick thought he knew all. And he would've been dead had Bruce not escaped in time.  "

True Robin Year:one was'nt it?but Dick came from a family of acrobats so physically he was up to the mark maybe that's what influences Bruce's opinion.
#17 Posted by daredevil21134 (11347 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" @god_spawn said:
" @entropy_aegis: BnR 23? awesome thanks. And why dont i get any of your replies? "

I don't get anyone's replies on this forum for some reason,save occasionally redhoodsden.Maybe i'm cursed.  "
LOL thats funny
#18 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said: 
True Robin Year:one was'nt it?but Dick came from a family of acrobats so physically he was up to the mark maybe that's what influences Bruce's opinion. "
Even before that, it was the root of the problem with Two-Face in Prodigal.
#19 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
" @entropy_aegis said: 
True Robin Year:one was'nt it?but Dick came from a family of acrobats so physically he was up to the mark maybe that's what influences Bruce's opinion. "
Even before that, it was the root of the problem with Two-Face in Prodigal. "

Yeah Dick and Harvey have a history,it'll be played in Daniel's arc as well.
#20 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis:
You have to remember, Joker also had Damian at his mercy and could have killed him if he wanted to. Neither of these altercations with Joker should necessarily reflect badly on Jason and Damian, Its more indicative of how crafty Joker is and that wearing a cape means that death could be around every corner.
#21 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85:
Morrisons Joker.
#22 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis:
Morrison's Joker is craftier, but Starlin's Joker wasn't to shabby either.
#23 Posted by entropy_aegis (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85 said:
" @entropy_aegis: Morrison's Joker is craftier, but Starlin's Joker wasn't to shabby either. "

Nah Starlin's Joker was just a nut.
#24 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wattup:  Jason's resurrection has helped the Bat titles sales increase since his return with fans of Jason hoping for his appearance. And yes the Bat titles have done well without him but every time he does appear that the sales increase even more. And they are pretty decent stories.

@entropy_aegis: I think he was using them as an example to say that all those heroes have died and came back to life but no one says that they are failures. And I get that Jason isn't as good as Dick, at least not in the same ways. They both have characteristics that make the other stand out in different situations.
#25 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Technically...it was the bomb that killed him, not the Joker...


I really just wanted to point that out....

Christ, I kill me.

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