@DeathpooltheT1000 said:
@fodigg: Most of the times i belive people dont know what they want, also the fact most of people vote for the wrong reasons and dont care about what is going to happen next.
Even if I take that as a given, the answer to voter apathy is not "don't vote."
Many people people belives that religions is like a bad thing, i still dont understand why people have problem with religion.
I don't have a problem with religion, but I do have a problem with some forms of religious activism that promote intolerance (e.g., anti-gay) and ignorance (e.g, anti-science). And with the general erosion of the separation of church and state, which is intended to protect both institutions and is worrying.
But general religious thought? No, I have no problem with someone being religious. One can be an atheist--can actively promote secular/skeptic thought even--without being anti-religion. I can't speak for anyone else, however.
Also i dont want to keep talking about it, this was about Jason Todd and Casandra Cain.
Okay, that's fair, but I feel compelled to remind you that you brought these general topics up in the first place. :)
@KingofMadCows said:
I think the problem with the Angel of the Bat idea is that the basic premise goes against established characterization for Cass.
So the basic idea is that Cass saves a minister who has been beaten badly and she strikes out against his attackers but the minister asks her to stop. The minister forgives his attackers and Cass doesn't understand why, which sets her on the road to conversion. But Cass completely understands forgiveness. There were several Batgirl stories that were all about redemption. Heck, redemption is Cassandra Cain's life. Cass was already doing much of what Gail described without any religious inspiration.
If they were to have Cass go through a religious conversion, it would make more sense to have it result from losing her faith in Batman or the Bat symbol and drifting back to a directionless life.
I think that's a valid point, but you also have to keep in mind when this proposal was penned and that it never went through a formal process. Cass has gone through a lot since then, including the whole "master of the league of assassins and murderer" thing. Her redemption arc after that horrible misstep in direction covered a lot of the ground that this proposal would have. But you certainly make a good case for why the arc is no longer applicable, or at least 'as applicable,' as it would have been.
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As for Jason's redemption arc, I actually hope that the direction he's going--distancing himself from Bruce even though he wears the bat on his chest--continues. That as he drops some of his joy from that time (e.g., unloading his happiest memory with Bruce) so too go his feelings of betrayal and grief. That letting go of all of it can lead to some closure and growth.
As for Cass, hey man, any way they can confirm her in the new 52. Even if they reboot her back to square one and somebody--Bruce, Barbara, Jason, anyone--finds a mute half-Asian assassin girl wandering the streets of Gotham next issue, I'd be happy.
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