Jason and Tim in #8

#1 Posted by feargalr (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

I really enjoyed this, and especially since Scott Lobdell is doing both Jasons and (pretty much) Tims series it could hopefully lead to more interaction between the two. It makes sense though, to give Jason a more tangible ongoing connection to the bat family, and the brotherly thing I love too. Ahh Red Hood and the Outlaws is so good!

What did you guys think about it?

#2 Posted by The_Tree (7945 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought it was great, and I'd love to see more interaction between the two.

#3 Posted by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree said:

I thought it was great, and I'd love to see more interaction between the two.

this

#4 Posted by Dhor (282 posts) - - Show Bio

great issue and those two are the best. i mean jason has come a long way

#5 Posted by Primmaster64 (21073 posts) - - Show Bio

It was pretty cool.

#6 Posted by Dhor (282 posts) - - Show Bio

don`t know about you guyz but i can`t ways for Night of the owls. thats how an event should be. and the fact that jason joins the fight just makes it even more awesome

#7 Posted by God_Spawn (38302 posts) - - Show Bio

I enjoyed it, but what bugged me was in depth speaking "You came back from the dead, tried killing Batman, beat me to a pulp with a staff and left me for dead with a batarang in my stomach not to mention kill a lot of people. I understand, yeah we're cool."

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#8 Posted by Dhor (282 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe in the new continuity it wasn`t that bad. From what i could gather in DCnU Batman and Green Latern series they keep MOST of the history but a good deal of it has been altered to some extent. so the relation betwen Jason and tim might not be as bad. or i could be wrong. time will tell:)

#9 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

It was cool

#10 Posted by royale_with_cheese (747 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: So what exactly happened in this issue?

#11 Posted by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

@royale_with_cheese: In an earlier issue Jason is ambushed in a hideout and he shoots the ambusher (Susie Su) who is a crime boss from his past, she is sent to a Gotham hospital that specializes in gun wounds. She then takes the children's ward hostage threatening to kill every kid there, Jason heads back to Gotham and long story short puts a bullet in her head. While there he over hears Alfred's call for help that every bat family member gets. Tim figured out that Jason intercepted the message and asked him for help, causing Jason to backflash to 2 months ago when him and Tim had a friendly breakfast together, its revealed that Jason is the one who found the information on Wonder Girl and that Tim found the information on the smugglers Jason took out when he met Starfire.

#12 Posted by royale_with_cheese (747 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: Ahh that's nice indeed. They didn't throw any punches at each other? Jason can finally stop being a bitter human being.

#13 Posted by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

@royale_with_cheese said:

@BlackArmor: Ahh that's nice indeed. They didn't throw any punches at each other? Jason can finally stop being a bitter human being.

Nope no punches, I was pretty surprised, I was expecting a grenade to go off or something at least......

#14 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't mind Jason hanging with Tim every now and then.I just don't want him becoming one of Batman's many puppets

#15 Posted by The Stegman (25989 posts) - - Show Bio

It was freaking amazing, and it makes sense, out of all the sons of the Bat, Tim probably would be the first to accept Jason.

#16 Posted by ThexX (1576 posts) - - Show Bio

See for a long time I have hated Tim with a passion but this makes up for a lot of things (what happen at the end of Red Hood and The Outlaws #8) Tim I got to say I no longer hate your guts.

#17 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought it was completely forced. I'm convinced that the entire premise of RHATO is to troll Batman and everything he stands for.

Shame on you, Lobdell.

#18 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved it so much. RHATO continues to get better each issue.

#19 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85: lol

#20 Posted by Funrush (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

@royale_with_cheese: In an earlier issue Jason is ambushed in a hideout and he shoots the ambusher (Susie Su) who is a crime boss from his past, she is sent to a Gotham hospital that specializes in gun wounds. She then takes the children's ward hostage threatening to kill every kid there, Jason heads back to Gotham and long story short puts a bullet in her head. While there he over hears Alfred's call for help that every bat family member gets. Tim figured out that Jason intercepted the message and asked him for help, causing Jason to backflash to 2 months ago when him and Tim had a friendly breakfast together, its revealed that Jason is the one who found the information on Wonder Girl and that Tim found the information on the smugglers Jason took out when he met Starfire.

What info on Wonder Girl?

#21 Posted by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

@Funrush: He told Tim that her name was Cassie Sandmark and that she had a negative history with Interpol.

#22 Posted by ME24601 (118 posts) - - Show Bio

I always love seeing the former Robins interact with one another.

#23 Posted by UrbanChill (232 posts) - - Show Bio

my 2 favorite robins finally getting along : )

#24 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134: I love the cast and the art, I just wish Lobdell would knock it off with that potshots at Bruce every issue.

#25 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85: what potshots are you talking about? Jason can't go from hating Bruce to loving him. But he is slowing forgetting that part of him that wants to kill Bruce.

#26 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare: The "Bruce didn't avenge my death" crap has gotten real old.

#27 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85 which is why it hasnt been done in the book. Jason grew from that person to what he is now. Even helpibg Bruce protecting gotham's major figures in night of owls.
#28 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85: If you can find one part of the story in Red Hood where Jason brings up hating and wanting to kill Bruce by all means post it. Because as far as I know he hasn't said that or hardly even brought up Bruce's name.

#29 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedHoodJT said:

@jrock85: If you can find one part of the story in Red Hood where Jason brings up hating and wanting to kill Bruce by all means post it. Because as far as I know he hasn't said that or hardly even brought up Bruce's name.

He hasn't,which is a good thing

#30 Posted by DEGRAAF (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

I don't mind Jason hanging with Tim every now and then.I just don't want him becoming one of Batman's many puppets

this is how i feel to a T

#31 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

@daredevil21134 said:

I don't mind Jason hanging with Tim every now and then.I just don't want him becoming one of Batman's many puppets

this is how i feel to a T

Hell yeah

#32 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134: I wouldn't mind seeing them team up a bit more in the future. I don't want him to become a lackey of Bruce like the rest of them. But it would be cool to see Jason and Tim team up once in awhile. It would be a great story especially if the plot is a great one. I like this night of the owls story and I am excited to see Jason's role in it.

#33 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedHoodJT said:

@daredevil21134: I wouldn't mind seeing them team up a bit more in the future. I don't want him to become a lackey of Bruce like the rest of them. But it would be cool to see Jason and Tim team up once in awhile. It would be a great story especially if the plot is a great one. I like this night of the owls story and I am excited to see Jason's role in it.

i agree

#34 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to see Jason getting along with Tim, and no one else in the Bat Family... for some reason, that just screams "awesome" to me.

#35 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedHoodJT said:

@jrock85: If you can find one part of the story in Red Hood where Jason brings up hating and wanting to kill Bruce by all means post it. Because as far as I know he hasn't said that or hardly even brought up Bruce's name.

Wasn't suggesting that he's plotting to kill Bruce or even wants to kill him.

The best example I can think of in which Lobdell gave the middle finger to Bruce was in issue #6 when Jason says in an internal monologue that Bruce only pretended to love him like a son. Other than that, the swipes at Bruce are mostly subtle and not explicit.

And for the record, I am a JT fan.

#36 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I want to see Jason getting along with Tim, and no one else in the Bat Family... for some reason, that just screams "awesome" to me.

that would be cool.nice avi

#37 Edited by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@RedHoodJT said:

@jrock85: If you can find one part of the story in Red Hood where Jason brings up hating and wanting to kill Bruce by all means post it. Because as far as I know he hasn't said that or hardly even brought up Bruce's name.

He hasn't,which is a good thing

Well there was that one flash back where Dick had to stop Jason from killing Bruce but other than that there has been no animosity expressed towards Batman, or maybe I've just haven't caught it

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I want to see Jason getting along with Tim, and no one else in the Bat Family... for some reason, that just screams "awesome" to me.

my thoughts exactly

#38 Posted by entropy_aegis (15438 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

I thought it was completely forced. I'm convinced that the entire premise of RHATO is to troll Batman and everything he stands for.

Shame on you, Lobdell.

I thought Winick used to do that.

#39 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: True, but I think Lobdell does it because he personally dislikes Batman.

#40 Edited by entropy_aegis (15438 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

@entropy_aegis: True, but I think Lobdell does it because he personally dislikes Batman.

This was expected IMO,two different ideologies clashing with each other.That was one of my major problems with Jason Todd,I always felt that the writers constantly felt the need to either make him look badass at the expense of others(basically he existed to troll the Batfam) or to make him look like a naive lunatic throwing a temper tantrum.

I've gotten used to it by now.

Morrison wrote the best Jason but unfortunately the Morrison version will be remembered for his red hair and goofy suit.

#41 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Part of the pre-DCnU Jason's appeal to me was that even though he was somewhat unstable, he did have some heroic qualities, which is why I wasn't terribly fond of what Morrison and Tony Daniel were doing with him because they wanted to make him irredeemable.

#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (15438 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

@entropy_aegis: Part of the pre-DCnU Jason's appeal to me was that even though he was somewhat unstable, he did have some heroic qualities, which is why I wasn't terribly fond of what Morrison and Tony Daniel were doing with him because they wanted to make him irredeemable.

Does'nt he have heroic qualities here?

#43 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

@entropy_aegis: Part of the pre-DCnU Jason's appeal to me was that even though he was somewhat unstable, he did have some heroic qualities, which is why I wasn't terribly fond of what Morrison and Tony Daniel were doing with him because they wanted to make him irredeemable.

He still has heroic qualities

#44 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

Does'nt he have heroic qualities here?

@daredevil21134 said:

He still has heroic qualities

He does, but I liked Winick's portrayal of him a lot better than Lobdell's.

#45 Posted by daredevil21134 (12641 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

Does'nt he have heroic qualities here?

@daredevil21134 said:

He still has heroic qualities

He does, but I liked Winick's portrayal of him a lot better than Lobdell's.

I agree,but I love the All Caste stuff and I like the way he moved him past being angry at Bruce all the time

#46 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@jrock85 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

Does'nt he have heroic qualities here?

@daredevil21134 said:

He still has heroic qualities

He does, but I liked Winick's portrayal of him a lot better than Lobdell's.

I agree,but I love the All Caste stuff and I like the way he moved him past being angry at Bruce all the time

agreed, this is jason but jumping ahead to him finally being his own person and even though he has issues with bruce and the bat family he isn't consumed by it anymore

plus I loved the interaction with jason and tim

#47 Posted by RedHoodJT (528 posts) - - Show Bio

In their own right Winick, Morrison, and Lobdell's versions of Jason have all been good. I like Winicks version because it re introduced the character. Morrison gave him that edge of I am going to strive to be better than you attitude. And for the most part succeeded in making Jason better by having the people of Gotham cheer for him. And now the current Jason, is by far, my favorite. He's put the past behind him. Shy of a few flashbacks now and then. Which are mostly to give the reader an insight to his past just in case there are any new readers that might not know. I like the way he's grown up a bit and he isn't so full of anger. Its a nice touch to the character.

#48 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

I really loved this scene, I just wish it had lasted for a few more pages.

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