Jason and Dick

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#1 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason and Tim are getting along fairly well by the looks of it, so im curious what Jason's relationship with Dick is like.

Do you think they should get along,Should they have a sibling rivalry thing going or do you think they should hate each other?

#2 Posted by God_Spawn (37294 posts) - - Show Bio

If they every become buddy buddy, I'm gonna have to choke a ReVamp.

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#3 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the idea of Jason having somebody still on the "in" with the Bat Family that he's cool with, but I was hoping that'd be Cass. Unfortunately no Cass.

Dick makes sense for that role, however, because he gets along with everybody. That's who he is. Tim would think Jason was psychotic, Damian would think he was a failure, Alfred would probably be cool with him, Bruce would be complicated.

#4 Posted by VampireSelektor (749 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim, Damian, probably even Jason, all love and respect Dick in their own way for playing mentor and confidante, but resent each other as usurpers.

#5 Edited by ReVamp (22863 posts) - - Show Bio

The relationship that Jason has with Dick has always sort of been that Dick wanted Jason to get back into the family and reform himself, eventually evolved into dislike (Countdown, ugh) and then went back into the first during BFTC.

@god_spawn said:

If they every become buddy buddy, I'm gonna have to choke a ReVamp.

I'd pimp slap you first.

#6 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Jason always respected Tim, since they have a match and he kicked his ass, you notice he respect the fact Tim was brave enough to keep figthing even if he knew he was going to lose.

Also Tim decide to sue the Batman suit before Dick, he respect the fact Tim wasnt afraid of Batman.

#7 Edited by The Stegman (23005 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by AweSam (7371 posts) - - Show Bio

I told you all, Jason's lost it. He's losing that coldblooded instinct and he's becoming a sissy. I hate it.

#9 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

I told you all, Jason's lost it. He's losing that coldblooded instinct and he's becoming a sissy. I hate it.

Sissy nah.But I do think he has mellowed out a lot.Maybe too much.

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#10 Posted by oraclefyre (936 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@AweSam said:

I told you all, Jason's lost it. He's losing that coldblooded instinct and he's becoming a sissy. I hate it.

Sissy nah.But I do think he has mellowed out a lot.Maybe too much.

True. He's becoming the standard anti-hero. He's losing his spark.

#11 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraclefyre said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@AweSam said:

I told you all, Jason's lost it. He's losing that coldblooded instinct and he's becoming a sissy. I hate it.

Sissy nah.But I do think he has mellowed out a lot.Maybe too much.

True. He's becoming the standard anti-hero. He's losing his spark.

I agree

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#12 Edited by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

I like the idea of Jason having somebody still on the "in" with the Bat Family that he's cool with, but I was hoping that'd be Cass. Unfortunately no Cass.

Dick makes sense for that role, however, because he gets along with everybody. That's who he is. Tim would think Jason was psychotic, Damian would think he was a failure, Alfred would probably be cool with him, Bruce would be complicated.

Tim.is.exactly.who.his."in".guy.is,.

at.the.end.of.Red.Hood.8.they.have.some.brotherly.time.over.pancakes.and.intel

#13 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise said:

@fodigg said:

I like the idea of Jason having somebody still on the "in" with the Bat Family that he's cool with, but I was hoping that'd be Cass. Unfortunately no Cass.

Dick makes sense for that role, however, because he gets along with everybody. That's who he is. Tim would think Jason was psychotic, Damian would think he was a failure, Alfred would probably be cool with him, Bruce would be complicated.

Tim.is.exactly.who.his."in".guy.is,.

at.the.end.of.Red.Hood.8.they.have.some.brotherly.time.over.pancakes.and.intel

Ah yes, I remember that now. Huh, that's incredibly inconsistent considering how Tim treats Damian. I mean, everything Damian's ever done to Tim, Jason's done previously. Plus worse. Unless all that got tossed in the reboot.

#14 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

So Jason likes Dick, nothing wrong with that.

#15 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

So Jason likes Dick, nothing wrong with that.

I saw that one coming lol

@fodigg said:

@KnightRise said:

@fodigg said:

I like the idea of Jason having somebody still on the "in" with the Bat Family that he's cool with, but I was hoping that'd be Cass. Unfortunately no Cass.

Dick makes sense for that role, however, because he gets along with everybody. That's who he is. Tim would think Jason was psychotic, Damian would think he was a failure, Alfred would probably be cool with him, Bruce would be complicated.

Tim.is.exactly.who.his."in".guy.is,.

at.the.end.of.Red.Hood.8.they.have.some.brotherly.time.over.pancakes.and.intel

Ah yes, I remember that now. Huh, that's incredibly inconsistent considering how Tim treats Damian. I mean, everything Damian's ever done to Tim, Jason's done previously. Plus worse. Unless all that got tossed in the reboot.

They must have tossed it.

#16 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

Admittedly, I know less about Jason than the other two, I see it like this: As noted, Tim seems to be Jason's in guy. I think Tim can better understand Jason's point of view on things. The Red Robin series showed that Tim was often struggling with the idea of having to kill someone if necessary, and the idea has been brought up again with the Culling in Teen Titans. While Tim ended up on the better side of it, he can see where Jason comes from with it. With Jason and Dick, I think they generally respect one another, but Dick is much more like Bruce in his mentality, and finds it hard to look past Jason's methods. Jason knows this, so it creates a sort of friction between the two of them.

#17 Posted by redhoodx (76 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222: Agreed. Plus jason was red robin first, the fact that he took the red robin persona from jason is a sign of understanding on tim's part.

#18 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222 said:

Admittedly, I know less about Jason than the other two, I see it like this: As noted, Tim seems to be Jason's in guy. I think Tim can better understand Jason's point of view on things. The Red Robin series showed that Tim was often struggling with the idea of having to kill someone if necessary, and the idea has been brought up again with the Culling in Teen Titans. While Tim ended up on the better side of it, he can see where Jason comes from with it. With Jason and Dick, I think they generally respect one another, but Dick is much more like Bruce in his mentality, and finds it hard to look past Jason's methods. Jason knows this, so it creates a sort of friction between the two of them.

Very Interesting points

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#19 Posted by Joygirl (18449 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

Bruce would be complicated.

Gah, isn't he always?

#20 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason hates Dick.

#21 Posted by Joygirl (18449 posts) - - Show Bio

@SandMan_ said:

Jason hates Dick.

Jason loves Dick. He loves Dick!

He... loves... Dick!

...

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

#22 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl said:

@SandMan_ said:

Jason hates Dick.

Jason loves Dick. He loves Dick!

He... loves... Dick!

...

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

O_O No missy. Revamp loves Dick.
#23 Posted by Joygirl (18449 posts) - - Show Bio

@SandMan_ said:

O_O No missy. Revamp loves Dick.

Oh... ah well.

As long as someone loves Dick.

#24 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@SandMan_ said:

O_O No missy. Revamp loves Dick.

Oh... ah well.

As long as someone loves Dick.

Deep down everybody loves Dick.

#25 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmmmmmm

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#26 Edited by richardjohngrayson (414 posts) - - Show Bio

If you look at the Batman and Robin #12 preview it looks like they are all working together yet again. So with The Night of Owls and now B&R; #12 I'm starting to think Jason is going to be back in the Bat Family inner circle pretty soon.

#27 Posted by richardjohngrayson (414 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by timelord786 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and robin # 12 truly looks like it is going to be awesome. We finally get to see all of the robins together in battle!

#29 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@richardjohngrayson said:

And Jason was thinking, why the hell i am with a bunch of guys using spandex.

#30 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@richardjohngrayson said:

If you look at the Batman and Robin #12 preview it looks like they are all working together yet again. So with The Night of Owls and now B&R; #12 I'm starting to think Jason is going to be back in the Bat Family inner circle pretty soon.

He's already kinda getting back in with the family, why else would he choose to wear the Bat symbol?

He isn't quite an agent of the Bat, but he's almost an unofficial member of the family these days given how he doesn't really kill unless he sees no other option.

#31 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@LuigiBat: Kori basically convinced him to wear it, Something about not being defined but what you wear.

#32 Posted by hoole100 (32 posts) - - Show Bio

They just toned down the bat family and made them more like a real life dysfunctional family. Jason hates Dick because hes considered the top student and son of bruce so there is always that. Jason can probably relate with Tim over being in Grayson's shadow their entire career. I dont think there is honestly much bad blood between them all anymore or Jay Todd wouldnt always be teaming up with his brothers to save his adopted fathers ass.

#33 Posted by wessaari (621 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222: there is friction between Jason and Dick, but i dont see much respect. Jason doesnt care much for him, but shows alot of respect to Tim. Damian was a asshole to him and Jason didnt care because he was a little brat, but in the end pretty much told him, i know where you sleep.

#34 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2898 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

lol

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#36 Posted by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to see these guys bump into each other more on patrol.

And I want to see Damian and Jason get some quality time, maybe Jason can beat some sense into him, lol.

#37 Posted by benjoe11 (60 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: where is that from?

#38 Posted by The Stegman (23005 posts) - - Show Bio
@benjoe11: The New 52 "Batman & Robin" it's either issue 10 or 11 I forget which exact one.
#39 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

@britsera said:

I want to see these guys bump into each other more on patrol.

And I want to see Damian and Jason get some quality time, maybe Jason can beat some sense into him, lol.

Its impossible to beat sense into that kid

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#40 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2898 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@britsera said:

I want to see these guys bump into each other more on patrol.

And I want to see Damian and Jason get some quality time, maybe Jason can beat some sense into him, lol.

Its impossible to beat sense into that kid

Didn't Damian recently kick Todd's ass? And then took his hood?

#41 Posted by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@britsera said:

I want to see these guys bump into each other more on patrol.

And I want to see Damian and Jason get some quality time, maybe Jason can beat some sense into him, lol.

Its impossible to beat sense into that kid

Didn't Damian recently kick Todd's ass? And then took his hood?

He -did-. He's on this 'I'm gonna pwn all the other Robins so Batman will think I'm the best" thing. But he did catch him by surprise, and Jason didn't really put up a fight (he took a punch and didn't bother getting back up).

#42 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5791 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason hates Dick. And if the writers forget that, they might as well put nips on Batman again.

#43 Posted by daredevil21134 (10766 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason and Dick got along real well before he died

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#44 Posted by whoohoo789 (217 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: if that was really Jason Todd he would have punched Dick in the face.

#45 Posted by whoohoo789 (217 posts) - - Show Bio

jason probobly resents dick bieng in his shadow and damien is basicly miney jason

#46 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason hates Dick, but he doesn't hate him for anything Dick ever did to him. He hates Dick because he's the first son in the family. Its really better to say that he resents Dick and is jealous of him. I think that could open up some interesting story opportunities if they ever cross paths in Nightwing's book.

#47 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason loves the Batfamily in his own messed up way, that mean he loves Richard in some bizarre i want to shot him in the face way.

Who say relationships are easy?

#48 Posted by ded_redhood (24 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: tim drake is cool with jasson tod

#49 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

@ded_redhood said:

@fodigg: tim drake is cool with jasson tod

I'm aware. Did I imply otherwise?

#50 Posted by Nantucket (49 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is more of a daddy issue than a general problem Jason has with Dick.

No matter what I think Jason will always see Dick as Bruce's favourite. Dick was the first student, the first son as it were, and when Dick moved on he was replaced with Jason. Replacements are ALWAYS compared to their counterparts. Just at work people in the office compare the new PA to the old PA and sometimes right to her face; that must not be comfortable or particularly nice. Perhaps Jason felt some of that in his youth growing up as Robin?

& maybe, just maybe, Jason believes that if The Joker killed Dick then there would be no doubt in Bruce's mind to kill Joker. In the Red Hood comics Nightwing is present and they are still getting along, still watching each other's backs...

I don't think Jason will ever like Dick but I doubt he'd ever want to kill him either.

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