Is he Good or Evil ?

#1 Posted by Kid_Omega_Prime (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Jason Todd or as some people call him Jason Retodd a good guy or a bad guy?

#2 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1701 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, he was good, then he became damaged. After he decided to become a little bit evil, before accepting the fact he's actually good. Does it make sense? LOL

#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (41792 posts) - - Show Bio

neither, he's a flawed human 

#4 Posted by Primmaster64 (21663 posts) - - Show Bio


#5 Posted by ReVamp (23014 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:


Neutral leaning towards the good. He's more good than Punisher on the "How-good-is-this-hero" Scale.

#6 Posted by daredevil21134 (14494 posts) - - Show Bio

Right now he's good

#7 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (16678 posts) - - Show Bio

He haves a orange and blue moralitye.

Thanks to TV Tropes for this.

To say that questions of morality are thorny and filled with gray when they aren't being hammeredbetween starkabsolutes is putting it mildly. Because of this there can be great drama when characters who represent a wide range of moral viewpoints come together or into conflict.

The strangest of these characters are those who espouse Blue And Orange Morality. These characters have a moral framework that is so utterly alien and foreign to human experience that we can't peg them as good or evil. They aren't a Chaotic NeutralUnfettered, though they may seem to act terrifyingly randomly; nor are they necessarily a Lawful NeutralFettered, because our and their understanding of 'law' as a concept may not even be equivalent. There might be a logic behind their actions, it's just that they operate with entirely different sets of values and premises with which to draw their conclusions.Just to repeat: that doesn't make them bad, although they are often liable to commit acts we would see as horrific; in that case, they're likely to follow these with completely benign behavior, and not act as if anything was the matter. Because in their world/mind, that's just what they do. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because Most Writers Are Human, and it's often hard to portray alien without simplifying it to Evil-by-another-name.This is similar to Values Dissonance, but the main difference is that societies with Values Dissonance can, at least on a basic level, generally measure one another by the same concepts of Good and Evil, or even Law and Chaos. With Blue and Orange Morality, the values are so foreign, that such concepts can no longer be applied. They may not even know what these things are, or even if they do, will often find them confusing. The concepts are not necessarily beyond their grasp, mind you, but are just not something which they'd place any importance on.Conversely, they may have these concepts, but apply them in vastly different ways. Such as regarding motionlessness as the epitome of evil, or viewing exploration as an element of chaos.Note that cases involving solely a misapprehension of facts and consequences do not count here no matter how alien the reasons; if, for example, a race of aliens thinks killing is okay because its own members respawn within a day with no harm done, and mistake humans as working the same way, that doesn't mean they wouldn't balk at killing if they realized the degree of harm it causes to other creatures. In this case, they may be working by comprehensible moral standards and just gravely mistaken about the implications of their actions.Likely candidates for Blue and Orange Morality include the Fair Folk, who follow rules of their own making; Eldritch Abominations that are beyond comprehension; the more exotic Starfish Aliens; AI's and robots, especially when super smart and incapable of emotion. An individual human (or single members of any species whose majority is using the greyscalemorality) who operates on this is The Übermensch of Nietzschean philosophy (ahuman being who has developed their own Blue/Orange set of morals).Compare Xenofiction, Humans Are Cthulhu, Humanity Is Infectious (all often involving this), Non-Malicious Monster (sometimes requires this), Above Good and Evil, Affably Evil / Faux Affably Evil (they sometimes can come across as this) , and Evil Cannot Comprehend Good (less elaborate forms that resemble this in practice). When two sides go to war and nothing will stop them except total annihilation, that's Guilt Free Extermination War.Has nothing to do with Bucknell University, The University of Illinois, The University of Virginia, The University of Florida, Auburn University, Syracuse University, Hope College, Gettysburg College, or Boise State University (the colors of all of which are blue and orange, albeit different shades in each case). Nor the Denver Broncos, Chicago Bears, New York Knicks, New York Mets, or Mango Sentinels. Or the City of New York, for that matter. Furthermore, do not confuse with Blue And Orange Movies. Also has nothing to do with the Karma Meter in Mass Effect (although Your Mileage May Vary if you play a particularly bipolar Shepard) nor the Aperture Science Hand Held Portal Device. No relation to the light scheme in TRON and its sequel.Whether it has anything to do with us is left as an exercise for the reader.

#8 Posted by Stronger (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he is a good man,but he sees justice through a different spot than the other superheroes.He is the DC version of Punisher.

#9 Posted by chroinkero (91 posts) - - Show Bio

He is pretty much an Anti-Hero

#10 Posted by feargalr (1242 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya he is... though I would prefer if he was just slightly more morally dubious..

#11 Posted by entropy_aegis (16121 posts) - - Show Bio


#12 Posted by soccersss (561 posts) - - Show Bio

Right now hes neutral. He fights the good fight, but he is willing to cross the line many heroes won't

#13 Edited by htb106 (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Jason's usually more of an Anti-hero but at the moment he's leaning slightly towards good.

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