Is he a Hero or Antihero or Antivillain or Villain?

#1 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (12509 posts) - - Show Bio

Heroes :
In modern movies, the hero is often simply an ordinary person in extraordinary circumstances, who, despite the odds being stacked against him or her, typically prevails in the end. In some movies (especially action movies), an hero may exhibit characteristics such as superhuman strength and endurance that sometimes makes him nearly invincible. Often a hero in these situations has a foil, the villain, typically a charismatic evildoer who represents, leads, or himself embodies the struggle the hero is up against. Post-modern fictional works have fomented the increased popularity of the anti-hero, who does not follow common conceptions of heroism.

Anti-heroes :
In fiction, an anti-hero is a protagonist who is lacking the traditional heroic attributes and qualities, and instead possesses character traits that are antithetical to heroism.The word anti-hero itself is fairly recent, and its principal definition has changed through the years. The 1940 edition of Merriam-Webster New International Dictionary listed anti-hero, but did not define it. Later sources would call the anti-hero a persona characterized by a lack of "traditional" heroic qualities.

Villains :
A villain is an "evil" character in a story, whether an historical narrative or, especially, a work of fiction. The villain usually is the bad guy, the character who fights against the hero. A female villain is sometimes called a villainess. Random House Unabridged Dictionary defines villain as "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel; or a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
 
Anti-villains :
An anti-villain is a character in a film, drama or literary work who pursues undeniably villainous ends, but employs methods that are arguably noble in order to advance his interests. Thus, the anti-villain is the converse of the anti-hero, who frequently resorts to immoral means in pursuit of an admirable goal. An anti-villain may commit serious crimes, such as murder; alternatively, his actions may only be considered "villainous" because they come in direct conflict with the story's protagonist.
I think he is a mix of Anti-hero and Anti-villain
#2 Edited by sweatboy (820 posts) - - Show Bio

"That's what you didn't get, you can't stop CRIME, i'm controlling it.....i'm what this city NEEDS" I think he sure as hell SEES himself as a hero. oh and 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero
 I think that,...Dick was just in it for the show, he lived in the spotlight and that's what he's used to. When he became the batman, Two Face sees him SMILING and figures, he's not the real bat. Tim is like,... as rich as bruce, loses his parents, he probably is the smartest robin, maybe he'll be the best but you know what? Jason, is a totally different robin, and HE WAS what Gotham needed

#3 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio

A-Men
#4 Edited by mistersarcastic (324 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always thought of him as anti-hero, never knew there was a such thing as a anti-VILLAIN. But after reading the passages on Wiki for Byronic Hero, he fits it pretty darn well. 
But I've got a question, if Jason is a Byronic hero, what are Deadpool, Hutnress (Helena Bertinelli), and the Punisher? Are they simply anti-heroes?

#5 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio
@mistersarcastic:
Huntress dosen't kill anymore she follows the rules pretty well now even well enough for Nightwing to put in charge of the group during Battle for the cowl
#6 Edited by Mr. Dead Pool (2625 posts) - - Show Bio

I never knew wether to call V from V for Vendeta a villain or hero but anti-villain thing gives me something to call him finally. But as for Jason he's an anti-villain. But while we're on the subject of heroes THIS IS THE ULTIMATE HERO!!!!!!!!!!!  

  
#7 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio

okay
#8 Posted by lifeofvibe (3514 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio

He's an anti-hero but these days he's more closer to hero

#10 Posted by JayAaerow (469 posts) - - Show Bio

Hero now.

#11 Edited by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

In the new 52, he started off as an anti-hero but is now a hero seeking redemption equipped with magic swords.

I prefer him as an anti-villian and it seems like we'll get a glimpse of that in the Futures End tie-in at least.

#13 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio

In the new 52, he started off as an anti-hero but is now a hero seeking redemption equipped with magic swords.

I prefer him as an anti-villian and it seems like we'll get a glimpse of that in the Futures End tie-in at least.

What is his Future tie-in about? I haven't heard anything

#14 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo said:

In the new 52, he started off as an anti-hero but is now a hero seeking redemption equipped with magic swords.

I prefer him as an anti-villian and it seems like we'll get a glimpse of that in the Futures End tie-in at least.

What is his Future tie-in about? I haven't heard anything

Straight from DC themselves:

RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS: FUTURES END #1

Advance solicit • On sale SEPTEMBER 17

32 pg, FC • RATED T

3-D Motion Edition: $3.99 US

2-D Standard Edition: $2.99 US

Red Hood rides solo in the future as he reveals hints to how the Outlaws and his partners Starfire and Arsenal parted ways and how that lead to Jason Todd’s new mission of retribution and brutal justice.

#15 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6269 posts) - - Show Bio

I consider him an anti-hero, questionable means but honorable goals. I consider Poison Ivy in the same category.

#17 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34958 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

In the new 52, he started off as an anti-hero but is now a hero seeking redemption equipped with magic swords.

I prefer him as an anti-villian and it seems like we'll get a glimpse of that in the Futures End tie-in at least.

What is his Future tie-in about? I haven't heard anything

Straight from DC themselves:

RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS: FUTURES END #1

Advance solicit • On sale SEPTEMBER 17

32 pg, FC • RATED T

3-D Motion Edition: $3.99 US

2-D Standard Edition: $2.99 US

Red Hood rides solo in the future as he reveals hints to how the Outlaws and his partners Starfire and Arsenal parted ways and how that lead to Jason Todd’s new mission of retribution and brutal justice.

That sounds a lot better. I really don't like his current heroic stint.

#18 Posted by daredevil21134 (12622 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

In the new 52, he started off as an anti-hero but is now a hero seeking redemption equipped with magic swords.

I prefer him as an anti-villian and it seems like we'll get a glimpse of that in the Futures End tie-in at least.

What is his Future tie-in about? I haven't heard anything

Straight from DC themselves:

RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS: FUTURES END #1

Advance solicit • On sale SEPTEMBER 17

32 pg, FC • RATED T

3-D Motion Edition: $3.99 US

2-D Standard Edition: $2.99 US

Red Hood rides solo in the future as he reveals hints to how the Outlaws and his partners Starfire and Arsenal parted ways and how that lead to Jason Todd’s new mission of retribution and brutal justice.

That sounds a lot better. I really don't like his current heroic stint.

I wish it was an ongoing

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