Haven't read it yet but I await spoilers---check out the cool variant cover that we just got sight of here: 
Note: check out the the 3 page preview at CBR http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9144
  

I thought the arc started out fantastically. The first issue was excellent, the story was interesting, the art was good. But then the second issue came along and was pure shit. Easily the worst issue of the series. Art was shit, story was convoluted and ignored the events of Revenge of the Red Hood. Honestly, was Winnick even paying attention?
1)He says Pyg killed Sasha's papa, when it is explicitly stated several times that Sasha killed her own papa
2)Sasha is wearing the mask. WHY??
3)Unrelated to RoRH, who the hell where the animals and what was their purpose for bringing in Jason. It was never explained who the random chick was or what she was trying to accomplish.
 
Overall rating:
B&R#25: 6/10
Arc: 6.5/10
 
Go read Knight of Vengeance instead.

I guess it's good this arc doesn't matter in two months time?

Indeed.

Wait wait wait so this issue came out today? Dammit I need to get to a comic store pronto.

Variant cover's gorgeous, I bought two. I don't care if the story ends up a letdown.

If everything that's happenin' NOW isn't gonna be used come september...does that mean that Scarlet isn't gonna exist?

I freaking hope so. I just read it. Might as well have been called "Ode to Grant".  
 
It stunk. No explanations for anything.

Scarlet is awesome. She needs to stay. She's part of Jason's life...kinda is his daughter.
 
On another note...what's with the cover? It constantly makes me think of Captain America.

Scarlet is awesome. She needs to stay. She's part of Jason's life...kinda is his daughter.  On another note...what's with the cover? It constantly makes me think of Captain America.

Scarlet is awesome. She needs to stay. She's part of Jason's life...kinda is his daughter.  On another note...what's with the cover? It constantly makes me think of Captain America.

At least we have Batman Retroactive to look forward to. And does anyone know what the fucking point of this arc was? WHY DID THEY BREAK HIM OUT? WHO WAS RANDOM FLAME CHICK? WILL JASON EVER GET CLASSY WEAPONRY? Red copter Jason? Really? Cheesiest thing all series.

I dont suppose any of you could spoil the story and ending for me could you? the nearest comicbook shop is abt an hr away

Why is it so ugly? 
 
@Grubich: Jason runs off with Scarlet. That's it. There's absolutely no other conclusion or ending to this story, blech, it's pretty mediocre.

You all DO realize that there's STILL the month of August left to finish things. I know it was a 3 part mini series, but that doesn't take away from the Batman & Robin book still goin'. So things can still be wrapped up. How do you know that the people who broke Jason out AREN'T gonna be the next villains for Batman & Robin...I mean, it IS their book. Give things a chance to play out before shuttin' it down.
 
And Scarlet can STILL serve purpose in Jason's life...after all...it IS a reboot. Maybe they're gonna have a NEW way of them meetin' and becomin' family.

not a reboot. its a relaunch. big difference

not a reboot. its a relaunch. big difference

I think these four pages show how much of an asshole Jason is. He's like Deadpool with a mean streak.

Bein' an asshole is a fun thing to do. It offends everyone BUT yourself. Then you get to sit back and laugh at how pissed everyone got. Hahaa...the JOY that is bein' an asshole.
 
Wait...Jason made Bruce a grandfather. Huh...I always thought it would be Dick who did it first. Hahaa...'cause Jason adopted Scarlet.

I think these four pages show how much of an asshole Jason is. He's like Deadpool, but without the suck.

@TheCrowbar: Corre@TheCrowbar said:

I think these four pages show how much of an asshole Jason is. He's like Deadpool, but without the breaking of the fourth wall.

Fix'd

FTFY

That's a great cover, and a perfect Jason design. The red guns and symbol of Morrison, with the biker look of Winick; awesome.

@Rabbit_May_Cry said:

Scarlet is awesome. She needs to stay. She's part of Jason's life...kinda is his daughter.  On another note...what's with the cover? It constantly makes me think of Captain America.

If we were reading a supervillain who lives in the sewers wearing his dome helmet supervillain costume, playing the pipe organ while crafting new master plans to smudge Batman's reputation, I'd agree with you.  She'd be a great Igor. But the story literally falls apart with her introduction into things. We're so busy making the effort to take her away from Batman, we don't know why Jason was sprung and who her captors were, or what they wanted of him. Literally the plot was skipped to go "Team-up! Red Copta!! Bitchin! High-Five!!" Let it all die I say. Outlaws can't come soon enough. REBOOT! Under The Red Hood is all you need to know about the character.Forget every other appearance, every other persona, all the dreck.  And now that includes stuff Judd Winick just wrote.

But Winick also said there's gonna be tweaking and that the essentials are still there.  Batman became Batman because someone killed his parents. Whether it's Joe Chill or not is in question. If the Ventriloquist ever died is up in the air. It's not a reboot, it's a redesign, they can do whatever they want, and there's no point denying that. Some firm basic truths have to remain but not the detail of it, picking and choosing, and they'll probably just about never try to define their own timeline on a large meaningful way again because eventually it works against them . You could reboot Jason and keep the essentials there. The non essentials just happen to be every appearance besides Under The Red  Hood. You could virtually ignore everything from 2006-2011 and the character might actually be better for it. No Brothers in Blood, none of it. Under the Red Hood is the only thing that is essential to who the character is now. Take that, and stick him on the Outlaws and it'll work. He is the Robin who died and came back and had a standoff with Batman on how to fight the war on crime. The end. 

not like its gonna matter...Jason will be with Roy  and Kory soon.

 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/ten-dcnu-myths-busted-110629.html  Check # 1

Right man, But that doesn't mean everything happened. Jason's supposedly a brunnette in September again, so was he ever a redhead? Did Brothers in Blood happen? Did Battle for the Cowl and Revenge of the Red Hood happen, or did it happen dead- on as Tony Daniel and Morrison wrote it? That's what I'm saying. Crisis on Infinite Earths never ended up a total reboot either, the Crisis happened but the history of it on the new Earth was "Anti-Monitor tried to destroy the Universe" One-lone. Because it was based off that timeline.The majority is intact. Tim, Dick, and Jason were Robins who became these new moniker heroes, and the broad strokes on how they got there remain. More often then not, it's the detail that makes the bad story, not the overall plot.

I'm saying I don't believe these are stories you'll hear about as much. I think they will choose to basically not mention some of them with regards to Jason, in one part because the old continuity involves for him things like Superboy Prime and Countdown, and in another, why make it complex for the new readers? It may be in the backgroung somewhere, foggy, and unfocused on but I don't see it impacting him in the same negative ways it has. :Like you said Dick was Batman, now he's Nightwing again. Like I said, the broad strokes. 

It is inconcievable that Jason would go out of his way to dye his hair whilst providing for his sickly mother and himself.

So how does Jason have black hair when he's on the streets?

So how does Jason have black hair when he's on the streets?

Was hating gingers cool in the 80s? And yes, there are pics of pre-Robin, post-COIE Jason, it is the origin in mentioned in my post.  And you know what? I'm arguing over the internet with a stranger about comics at the dead of night. I sound like an asshole in this thread. Genuinely sorry for that.

What does anybody think of Jason being a Priest in Flash Point

What does anybody think of Jason being a Priest in Flash Point

@daredevil21134: Where did that happen ?!

@daredevil21134 said:

What does anybody think of Jason being a Priest in Flash Point

What??!!??!?

I listened to the Comic-Vine podcast when it premiered and Winick genuinely cracks me up, funny guy. I like him. I like the idea this big San Francisco liberal who admonished the CV crew for using the derogatory "tranny", and uses the proper terminology for hooker..."Sex worker" has found his niche writing a guy who puts collects criminals' heads in a bag, Doubly the irony, that the writer and character who've taken such shit from fans, together sorta turned things around for eachother. 
 
But his arc was a mess.  Enough that I agree Winick might be burnt out, and maybe Lobdell should be the one "reinventing" Jason  a bit. Though I'm leary of that too because his work is so keyed to a certain time and style of comic. mid 90s X-men.