Bad Jason Todd Continuity

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#1 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does every writer ignore what the last writer did with Jason? 
 
For example, in the 'Under the Hood' run, he said that having a sick kick was pathetic, only later to try and push all previous Robins to be his side kick in 'Battle for the Cowl'. 
Also, in 'Battle for the Cowl', he mentioned that Bruce's worst decision was becoming a public figure, only to appear on all TV's in an attempt to win over the citizens in 'Batman and Robin'. 
 
Seriously, WTF is with that? Anybody else notice this?

#2 Posted by Icarusflies (12468 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative: Maybe because he's mentally unstable?
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#3 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@Icarusflies said:
" @ReverseNegative: Maybe because he's mentally unstable? "
The writers?
#4 Posted by Icarusflies (12468 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:
" @Icarusflies said:
" @ReverseNegative: Maybe because he's mentally unstable? "
The writers? "
No, Jason.
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#5 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@Icarusflies said:
" @ReverseNegative said:
" @Icarusflies said:
" @ReverseNegative: Maybe because he's mentally unstable? "
The writers? "
No, Jason. "
I thought it was just a inconsistency on the different writers' hands.
#6 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it's the writers. They get free rein to fuck him up.

#7 Posted by Telcalipoca (957 posts) - - Show Bio

both? 
hes emotionally disturbed and writers used that excuse to write hi off any way they wish with no regard to how he was previously written?

#8 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

and editorial. because they come up with craptastic events to throw him in

#9 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative: Tony Daniels
#10 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64 said:
" @ReverseNegative: Tony Daniels "

agreed
#11 Posted by TriSkeith13 (25 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64 said:
" @ReverseNegative: Tony Daniels "
Fucking Tony Daniels.  
 
The fact that he had to make up an abused child hood for Jason is pretty damn pathetic.
#12 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

I need some molested people to write letters to DC and say you dislike them implying you're crazy because you were molested like Jason. That Jason being crazy is them calling you crazy. 
 
That would fuck with them.

#13 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"I need some molested people to write letters to DC and say you dislike them implying you're crazy because you were molested like Jason. That Jason being crazy is them calling you crazy.  That would fuck with them. "

hmmmmmmmmmm
#14 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:
" Why does every writer ignore what the last writer did with Jason?  For example, in the 'Under the Hood' run, he said that having a sick kick was pathetic, only later to try and push all previous Robins to be his side kick in 'Battle for the Cowl'. Also, in 'Battle for the Cowl', he mentioned that Bruce's worst decision was becoming a public figure, only to appear on all TV's in an attempt to win over the citizens in 'Batman and Robin'.  Seriously, WTF is with that? Anybody else notice this? "
This could be asked about any character....
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#15 Edited by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

This never has and never will be MY Red Hood. Bastards. 
                                                                                                                                                  "What-Me Have Direction?"

#16 Posted by georgethecat (65 posts) - - Show Bio

The writers, really. That's the biggest problem with the inconsistency. 

#17 Posted by entropy_aegis (14497 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"This never has and never will be MY Red Hood. Bastards. 
                                                                                                                                                  "What-Me Have Direction?"
 
"

HAHAHAHA
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#18 Posted by joshmightbe (24692 posts) - - Show Bio

The dude was brought back to life by a dude punching reality logic went out the door a long time ago

#19 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Yet the yellow space cockroach gets a pass.

#20 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio

lol
#21 Posted by joshmightbe (24692 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but I will go to my grave saying that reality punch thing was retarded

#22 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio

lol
#23 Posted by entropy_aegis (14497 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
"I'm sorry but I will go to my grave saying that reality punch thing was retarded "

Didio ftw. 
dont worry ,darkseid's fall from the fourth world will be used to destroy the prime punch(hopefully)
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#24 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

The visual is stupid I'll give that to you. However... 
 
In a universe like DC where many earths merge into one,histories change,  new realities of chaacters are born from multiverses, and other characters blip out of existence;  the idea a character came back because reality hiccuped isn't that wacky. 
 
They should own their mistakes and rectify them. Instead of...prolonging them.

#25 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio

Its true that the writers use his "mentally unstable mind" as the reason for never keeping things consistent with Jason. I for one think its bull shit what they do with Jason. Using him only to boost sales to a specific title then he goes back to "prison" per se. Bull shit. Aronious. Aronious on all accounts.

#26 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"The visual is stupid I'll give that to you. However...  In a universe like DC where many earths merge into one,histories change,  new realities of chaacters are born from multiverses, and other characters blip out of existence;  the idea a character came back because reality hiccuped isn't that wacky.  They should own their mistakes and rectify them. Instead of...prolonging them. "

agreed
#27 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Truth to tell, Lost Days was another example of DC fucking up. Here we were, Post Infinite Crisis, Post Final Crisis and the movie just came out. You could've retconned right then and there. Made the movie gospel because by that point, the pit basically could raise the goddamn dead....since Grant decided so. 
 
Though no one bitched then.

#28 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodJT said:
" Its true that the writers use his "mentally unstable mind" as the reason for never keeping things consistent with Jason. I for one think its bull shit what they do with Jason. Using him only to boost sales to a specific title then he goes back to "prison" per se. Bull shit. Aronious. Aronious on all accounts. "
I liked him as Red Hood. The ORIGINAL, not the stupid new Grant Morrison one.
#29 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm tired of Jason and us paying for their fuckups. 
 
REVENGE!

#30 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"Truth to tell, Lost Days was another example of DC fucking up. Here we were, Post Infinite Crisis, Post Final Crisis and the movie just came out. You could've retconned right then and there. Made the movie gospel because by that point, the pit basically could raise the goddamn dead....since Grant decided so.  Though no one bitched then. "

yup
#31 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative:  Oh I despise what Grant did with Jason. It left such a bad taste in my mouth that I refused to read any more of the Batman and Robin story line. And I read the first issue of Batman Inc and stopped. He used to be one of my favorites but when a writer or artist for that matter messes with the look of a character and changes it for the worse it tends to get under the skin.
#32 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

GUERILLA WARFARE!!!!! 

#33 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"This never has and never will be MY Red Hood. Bastards. 
                                                                                                                                                  "What-Me Have Direction?"
 
"

Wow, I never noticed that hias skull kinda DOES look like Clyde the red Pacman ghost.
#34 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (678 posts) - - Show Bio

My main problem with jason Todd is him being angry about nothing. I understand being upset about Bruce not killing Joker. I get that but the guy did put fear in Joker. That is something bruce could never do. He just should except that and move on.  
 
Really after he was resurrected his life became better. He banged Talia Al Ghul and Donna Troy. He should be messing with Damian saying that he or Dick could be his dad instead Bruce since almost everyone got a piece of her. 
 
Really someone should visit Jason in prison and just go over again rules of the batfamily and force him to deal with it and grow up or just GTFO and join the league of Assasins.
#35 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@FortressoftheMoon said:
"My main problem with jason Todd is him being angry about nothing. I understand being upset about Bruce not killing Joker. I get that but the guy did put fear in Joker. That is something bruce could never do. He just should except that and move on.   Really after he was resurrected his life became better. He banged Talia Al Ghul and Donna Troy. He should be messing with Damian saying that he or Dick could be his dad instead Bruce since almost everyone got a piece of her.  Really someone should visit Jason in prison and just go over again rules of the batfamily and force him to deal with it and grow up or just GTFO and join the league of Assasins. "

He never banged Donna Troy
#36 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

All the more reason I think the plot to Countdown was originally written as Dick, Donna, and Kyle since they were both ex's of hers. It makes more sense that they might have started that story with Dick being an anomaly because he was supposed to die in IC. With the original idea that Jason was to be a dark Nightwing, it makes sense Dick would've become Red Robin.

#37 Edited by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:  

Wow, I never noticed that hias skull kinda DOES look like Clyde the red Pacman ghost. "

Oh, I've spent a lot of time breaking down in my head how they've screwed him up....so much time.... 
 
And I prefer we use the alternate pac-man name...Blinky... 
 
Far more demeaning than Clyde.
#38 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio

I for one liked the Countdown: Search for Ray Palmer. But I do agree with you. It did seem that Jason's part in the story was based on Dick's character. But its not that big of a deal. It was a good story and I was glad that Jason was in it. Although it would be pretty sweet to have Jason become a dark Nightwing. 
 
And the ghosts from pac-man are as follows. (red) Blinky, (orange) Clyde, (blue) Inky, (pink) Pinky.

#39 Posted by warlock360 (28050 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative: maybe he's trying to show what their doing wrong?
#40 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

He is.

#41 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio

yes he is
#42 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio

lol
#44 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5387 posts) - - Show Bio

what did I miss out?

#45 Edited by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

That I hate everything after Under The Hood except the Green Arrow crossover, Lost Days,the Outsiders 2 parter, the Fabian Nicieza stuff in Robin, and issue 51 of Countdown. 
 
That's all quite consistent.

#46 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"That I hate everything after Under The Hood except the Green Arrow crossover, Lost Days,the Outsiders 2 parter, the Fabian Nicieza stuff in Robin, and issue 51 of Countdown.  That's all quite consistent. "

I didn't like the Robin stuff
#47 Posted by RedHoodsDen (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh no? I thought initiating a gang war to thin the herds and eventually squeeze street crime did sort of fit with Under The Hood. Did that not jibe for you or was it the fighting with Tim?

#48 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio

I like anything that Jason is in because its just that much more stuff to read and remember that he was a part of. I know its kinda lame but I really like the character and I can't wait to read this new story arc. May just isn't coming fast enough for me.

#49 Posted by daredevil21134 (10947 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedHoodsDen said:
"Oh no? I thought initiating a gang war to thin the herds and eventually squeeze street crime did sort of fit with Under The Hood. Did that not jibe for you or was it the fighting with Tim? "

the fighting with Tim
#50 Posted by RedHoodJT (527 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't really mind the fight with Tim. I wasn't too fond of it but I didn't mind it.

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