Matt Fraction has gotta go

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#1 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio


I feel like matt fraction has gotten really lazy with his writing lately. I also feel like alot of things are getting annoying. It's annoying when pepper has a suit and it's also annoying whenever he takes a good character like Rhodey and makes him bland and incompetent. Am I the only one that thinks that it's time to find a new iron man writer? Keep larocca but change the writer
#2 Posted by Loki9876 (3039 posts) - - Show Bio

I still like his stories.

#3 Posted by CATPANEXE (9357 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't had an issue with his writing on this book as of yet.

#4 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio

Fraction is the best thing to happen to Iron Man in a long time. And Pepper having a suit makes plenty of sense, it's not lazy writing, it's called trying something new instead of doing the same old stories over and over again, something I'm glad he's doing. Fraction really knows how to write Tony Stark as this sarcastic jerk who's one of the smartest men on earth and really captures Tony's personalty very well.

#5 Posted by Caligula (12386 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Fraction's Iron Man.

His X-Men is another story though

#6 Posted by Loki9876 (3039 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer said:
Fraction is the best thing to happen to Iron Man in a long time. And Pepper having a suit makes plenty of sense, it's not lazy writing, it's called trying something new instead of doing the same old stories over and over again, something I'm glad he's doing. Fraction really knows how to write Tony Stark as this sarcastic jerk who's one of the smartest men on earth and really captures Tony's personalty very well.
and he gives him his second layer (I think you know what I mean)
#7 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: yes he captures tony's personality well but that doesn't make up for his wrong doings. Fraction was fine for the first year but he really is starting to irritate me. He drags out every single story and tries to make each comic as uninteresting as possible. I really don't like the bleeding edge armor because it makes tony basically superhuman. I loved the idea of extremis but bleeding edge took things too far, its annoying having tony invulnerable. Rhodey is one of my favorite supporting characters of all time but fraction takes him and tries to make him look like don cheadle and then take away the personality he has had for 30 years. I also hate how he made tony not remember anything that was after 2006. He doesnt even remember civil war or the death of happy. I liked him for a year but ever since the end of stark dissasembled i have had a problem
#8 Posted by The Impersonator (5620 posts) - - Show Bio

Change is always good.

#9 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Impersonator: your right, change is good... thats why they should change matt fraction
#10 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239: I can understand why you don't like him dragging out the storylines so long, but I like the fact that Fraction builds up the stories and it's not just "Boom! Boom! Pew! Iron Man fight! Pew, pew!" every issue, character development/interaction is a great thing in comics :P
 
He's not superhuman, he just doesn't have to worry about not having the armor anymore. Honestly the Bleeding Edge armor was the only logical step for the character, if you read the Five Nightmare storyline, if it weren't for the Extremis armor, Tony would have been killed by the suicide bombers. Same with the Resilient storyline, if he hadn't had the suit, he would have died when the car exploded. To go back to Extremis or to go back to having the put the suit on by hand or like in the movies would only be a step backwards for the character, Bleeding Edge was the only logical step for Iron Man.
 
Well I'm not a big War Machine fan, so I can't say much on that. But I get what you're saying.
 
I do agree that it was an easy way to get Tony out of the mess he caused during Civil War, but hopefully Fraction will play with the idea of Tony's memory not being complete more in the future. I remember in one scene where Tony needed help putting on his tie because he forgot how to tie it, it makes you think that maybe that wasn't ALL Tony erased from his mind? O_O Never been a fan of Happy either :P
#11 Posted by TheLastLantern (46 posts) - - Show Bio

Fraction made Tony start drinking again.  I hate him now.  I understand that he may have been getting somewhat one dimensional but come on, he just wants a reason to write his own verison of "Demon in A Bottle".  Which most likely won't be nearly as good as the original.
#12 Posted by Caligula (12386 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheLastLantern said:

Fraction made Tony start drinking again. I hate him now. I understand that he may have been getting somewhat one dimensional but come on, he just wants a reason to write his own verison of "Demon in A Bottle". Which most likely won't be nearly as good as the original.

the "Demon in a Bottle" story is good, but it's really dated. A lot of today's readers would put it down before finishing it. So if he is just remaking "Demon in a Bottle" with modern standards then I think it's a good thing. But I don't think that's what he is doing.

#13 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

His Iron Man book is amazing. I don't even care that he's got Tony drinking again. The way he's handling that is very keen on the insight of an addictive personality ("Okay, just one more, and then I'm done", ETC). 
 
His FEAR ITSELF tie ins also pretty much make the entire event worthwhile (IMO).

#14 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: its good  discussing with a knowledgeable iron man fan... and your right about having development of characters. I hate having undeveloped characters in any kind of story. But back to the arguement... I genuinely loved the extremis armor. It was a logical step forward for iron man considering that all the other characters in the marvel universe was evolving. Oh, and i remember whenever that repulsor powered car blew up in the resilient storyline and i still think it would've been better to see tony without the armor infused into his skin. It would've made the story better if tony had gotten injured. It would've led to a more interesting story and tony would've had more motivation to put an end to justine, sasha, and detroit steel. Extremis is great and i hope that he eventually gets extremis back even though its not gonna happen. And how could you not be a fan of happy!!!!!???? R.I.P happy hogan
#15 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula: I don't mind that tony took a drink becuase he is an alcoholic and its an interesting step for fraction to take... I just hope it doesnt control the storyline.. if it does then it will be another story arc kinda like dark reign whenever tony's life is in the crapper. In an interview matt promised the new story arcs would be happy and be about rebuilding. And demon in a bottle is not dated. Its a classic and its also a great story. It introduced characters like justin hammer and bethany cabe and it was the first iron man comic to actually give depth to tony stark
#16 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239: I guess it just depends, some people still prefer the classic red and gold armor even now. I will admit that before I really didn't like the Extremis armor and honestly preferred they go with an armor more like the one they use in the movies where he has it put on mainly with the help of robotic assemble arms. But after a while, the new armor warmed up to me.
 
Well my only problem with that is Tony wouldn't have just gotten hurt, he could have been dead or at least to injured to wear the suit. But I get what your saying. I do like how in IM2 when Whiplash is trying to kill Tony while he's trying to put on the suitcase armor, it was a nice way to show how Tony would fight (and not get killed xD) when he doesn't have the armor.
 
Never really found the character interesting, he's also my least favorite character in the movies and wish they would not put his scenes in the movie when we could have seen Black Widow kicking more butt. xP
#17 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: haha, i agree. I thought the fights between whiplash and tony very weak. I also didn't like how at the end Ivan had a huge suit of armor, it was very sudden
#18 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239: I liked most of the fights in the movie (I'm a sucker for big epic fights xD) and I found the suitcase armor too awesome. The one thing I didn't like was the final battle being too short, Ivan had months to build he armor and it seemed rushed and unplanned on his part. Though I disagree with people who complain about Iron Man ONLY fighting "evil Iron Men" in his movies, to his defense, most of his rouges gallery ARE evil Iron Men, lol.
#19 Edited by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239 said:

I feel like matt fraction has gotten really lazy with his writing lately. I also feel like alot of things are getting annoying. It's annoying when pepper has a suit and it's also annoying whenever he takes a good character like Rhodey and makes him bland and incompetent. Am I the only one that thinks that it's time to find a new iron man writer? Keep larocca but change the writer

I agree.I think peppers takes up way too much panel time.And I find most of his run mediocre at best and his story arcs are too long.Resilient and Wanted where way too long in my opinion.I enjoyed Director of Shield and the Extremis arc and the stories that followed alot better then the current run
#20 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I would enjoy seeing Pak or Van Lente pick up Iron Man. Although it seems like Fraction controls Iron Man in the same sense that Brubaker controls Captain America. We may see mini-series by other writers but Fraction probably has no plans to leave Iron Man anytime soon.

#21 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
Personally, I would enjoy seeing Pak or Van Lente pick up Iron Man. Although it seems like Fraction controls Iron Man in the same sense that Brubaker controls Captain America. We may see mini-series by other writers but Fraction probably has no plans to leave Iron Man anytime soon.
Yeah unfortunately 
#22 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheLastLantern said:
Fraction made Tony start drinking again.  I hate him now.  I understand that he may have been getting somewhat one dimensional but come on, he just wants a reason to write his own verison of "Demon in A Bottle".  Which most likely won't be nearly as good as the original.
agreed
#23 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: Agreed but one could always hope. Maybe one day they'll give Iron Man the Daredevil treatment and give the character to a writer who's willing to glazed over the "questionable" work of those who had the character before him/her.
#24 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@daredevil21134: Agreed but one could always hope. Maybe one day they'll give Iron Man the Daredevil treatment and give the character to a writer who's willing to glazed over the "questionable" work of those who had the character before him/her.
Yeah that's why I love Daredevil lol
#25 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: Waid's first issue definitely put a huge smile on my face. In just one issue he's already made up for most of Diggles......imperfections.
#26 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@daredevil21134: Waid's first issue definitely put a huge smile on my face. In just one issue he's already made up for most of Diggles......imperfections.
Yes he sure has,I can tell Waid really cares for Daredevil
#27 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: And for what the fans want from a character.
#28 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Quisling said:
@daredevil21134: And for what the fans want from a character.
I like the fact that he broke Daredevil's tragedy streak and tried something new,some other writers should learn from him but I won't say any names
#29 Posted by MrUnknown (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I like his stuff on Iron Man and that he focuses on the supporting cast as well. The Wanted arc is my favourite Iron Man story.

#30 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown said:
Well I like his stuff on Iron Man and that he focuses on the supporting cast as well. The Wanted arc is my favourite Iron Man story.

  I'm surprised the title is still called Iron Man and not Rescue
#31 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown
The wanted story arc is your favorite? It might've been fraction's best but not even close to iron man's best. You need to read some of layton and michelin's run or dennis o' neils run. Knauf had a good run as well
#32 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239 said:
@MrUnknown: The wanted story arc is your favorite? It might've been fraction's best but not even close to iron man's best. You need to read some of layton and michelin's run or dennis o' neils run. Knauf had a good run as well
agreed
#33 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134: It's not to say that Daredevil comics shouldn't be sad. I just felt like he hit rock bottom long before Shadowland.
#34 Posted by longbowhunter (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

Fraction's Iron Man run has been one of my favorite Marvel books in a long time. Personally I love Pepper as Rescue. I did hate issue #506 pretty well though.
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#35 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I think im being a little harsh on him but i do hate some of the things he's doing with the story arcs
#36 Posted by greeneagle (172 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239:  Fraction is the best thing that happened to Iron Man. If you are complaining about the bleeding edge armor, then you don't get who Tony is.  Fraction gets the character way better than anyone and letting anyone else take over the character  would be a colossal mistake. And for those complaining about him drinking again, lets just wait and see what happens. Besides you could look at it this way; for all the physical evolution he has gone through, at heart he is still human.
#37 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239 said:
I think im being a little harsh on him but i do hate some of the things he's doing with the story arcs
I don't think you are being too harsh on him.But everybody has their opinions rhough
#38 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@greeneagle: Are you kidding me? I don't get who tony is? I've read every iron man comic so far and i don't understand Tony Stark? Just because I don't like the bleeding edge as much as you do and i don't like the fact that pepper has a suit makes me not understand tony stark? I just don't like his dragged out story arcs and him changing characters personality's such as rhodey and ms arbogast. Just because i like other IM writers better doesn't mean anything. I enjoy some of his comics every once in a while but id rather read a good one every time instead of opening up the book and hoping that i made a good purchase. Tony stark is my favorite character of all time so i dont understand why you think i don't get him. Give me one good valid reason that disliking the bleeding edge makes me not understand a character. It's called opinion man
#39 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man needs to hit something. Just saying. I mean character development is great, but whenever I read a few issues I just get bored. 

#40 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024: hahahahaha, i feel the same way
#41 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239
I read a few Iron Man issues during the "Dark Reign" arc and I thought they were okay. Now, his run on Uncanny X-Men was absolutely deplorable. In fact, I was so repulsed by it that I've vowed to never buy anything with his name on it.
#42 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
Iron Man needs to hit something. Just saying. I mean character development is great, but whenever I read a few issues I just get bored. 
agreed bro
#43 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: Hahahaha, I didn't think dark reign was that bad. Its just more of his current work im referring too. Oh, and i heard his run on uncanny x-men was absolutely terrible. hahaha
#44 Posted by daredevil21134 (12668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239 said:
@jrock85: Hahahaha, I didn't think dark reign was that bad. Its just more of his current work im referring too. Oh, and i heard his run on uncanny x-men was absolutely terrible. hahaha
I hear that too
#45 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Matt Fraction is one of Marvel's strongest writers 

#46 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedRobin92
Uncanny xmen? His recent invincible iron man comics? I don't think so. Maybe he has some other good stuff but i think he currently isnt doing to well
#47 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@greeneagle said:
@Zachattack1239:  Fraction is the best thing that happened to Iron Man. If you are complaining about the bleeding edge armor, then you don't get who Tony is.  Fraction gets the character way better than anyone and letting anyone else take over the character  would be a colossal mistake. And for those complaining about him drinking again, lets just wait and see what happens. Besides you could look at it this way; for all the physical evolution he has gone through, at heart he is still human.
I with you on this one. I happen to find Invincible Iron Man as one of the only consistently good Marvel books. If you pay a good deal of attention, Fraction is setting up a ton of future plot lines that are going to have great upcoming arcs. I'm sticking by Fraction, he definitely gets the Tony Stark character. 
#48 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedRobin92:
Your right, he is setting up alot of good plot lines that look like they could go in an interesting and good direction. But as of right now im not really enjoying alot of his comics... Sometimes I really enjoy one of his comics once in a while but the majority of the time im worried about if the comic im purchasing is actually gonna be worth my money. He captures tony starks character almost PERFECTLY but just because of that im not gonna say i think he's great. I think fraction took the series name the INVINCIBLE iron man a little to literally. The bleeding edge armor almost makes him invincible... the armor looks very cool but i think that it leads to more anti-climatic fights and situations. I think the extremis armor was a perfect armor considering that it wasn't completely infused in his skin and it was perfect because it evolved tony's armor without making him superhuman. I absolutely HATE fraction's version of rhodey. Rhodey was never incompetent and he never looked like don cheadle. Rhodey is such an interesting character and i feel like fraction throws him in there without fully understanding him... it seems like he took his version of rhodey straight from iron man 2 and thats never how rhodey was from the 70's, 80's, and the time rhodey was coolest... the 90's (read iron man 283-291) I also feel like pepper doesn't need a suit, thats just an opinion and maybe some people disagree but thats just how I feel. Im also not a fan of pepper and tony flirting and stuff. It really bothers me that pepper goes and makes out with tony in dark reign whenever her husband that she loved, had children with, and was married to for 30 years died 2 years ago. I feel like pepper should atleast feel a little sadness about it. I love fraction's portryal of tony but thats not gonna make me love the series, i liked him from 1-20 but now i feel that he doesn't have as much time to think about his iron man stories considering he is writing uncanny xmen and some other work he's doing.                                   
#49 Posted by greeneagle (172 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedRobin92 said:
@greeneagle said:
@Zachattack1239:  Fraction is the best thing that happened to Iron Man. If you are complaining about the bleeding edge armor, then you don't get who Tony is.  Fraction gets the character way better than anyone and letting anyone else take over the character  would be a colossal mistake. And for those complaining about him drinking again, lets just wait and see what happens. Besides you could look at it this way; for all the physical evolution he has gone through, at heart he is still human.
I with you on this one. I happen to find Invincible Iron Man as one of the only consistently good Marvel books. If you pay a good deal of attention, Fraction is setting up a ton of future plot lines that are going to have great upcoming arcs. I'm sticking by Fraction, he definitely gets the Tony Stark character. 
Your right on the Money about the plots.  I can't wait to see what he does with Zeke, Mandarin  and Spymaster. 
#50 Posted by Zachattack1239 (109 posts) - - Show Bio
@greeneagle
Future plots have potential of being great. But right now they aren't that spectacular... But good point.. I am very interested to see what he does with mandarin

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