"@Vance Astro said:

" Iron Man isn't a douchebag.Everything he does is for the greater good he just doesn't always know the right thing to do. "

so he is just an imbecile moron ?  
 
thats just great...
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iron man should die for evar and nevar come back stupid douche bag is a whiny little baby that protects his own ass with his money friends or power suit stupid bitch acting like the bauss (boss) of the Hero comunnity

" @John_Feaster:   1. Reed and Pym (actually Skrulls) 2. dont remember 3. Skrulls and supervillians.  4. Reed and Pym (actually Skrulls)    Tony Stark was not the master of reality, much less the world nor anything else. He was a spokesperson. He was no more evidently to blame then the President is for the actions of everyone in the country nor its institutions. To top that off he was being influenced (again, Skrull Invasion 101) All he did was back what he believed was right, and the majority of the heroes backed him. In the end him and Steve stood, and Steve looked around and realized Tony was in fact right. The only intent was to minimize collateral damage to civilians, and Tony didnt take control of anything, much less want the position he found himself in, which again all in all was just a Skrull scheme. "

   Okay... 
 
   1 Stark provided the DNA in the form of a lock of Thors hair, and ordered the clone to be made. In the flashback scenes, even Skrull-Pym thought it was a betrayal. 
 
   2 It happened. Stark regrets it, but it happened.

   3 He chose the Taskmaster AND Norman Osborn. When norman and his goons were killing and mutilating small-market heroes like the Americi-Cop and Jack Flagg, Tony didn't stop them. Tony had a special group of SHIELD Agents trained specificly to hunt down unlicenced heroes to NOT arrest them...but... 
 
   4 ...to lock them up in a secret prison he ORDERED Reed and the Skrull to build, where he could hold them WITHOUT charging them. The Tinkerer - a retired villain who had served his time in jail and was just trying to get his life back together, was arrested while taking his grandchildren out for icecream...and held in the prison without trial. Shang-Chi was hunted down and arrested DISPITE the fact that he wasn't even an American, and was on international soil. Heroes who were just trying to leave the country to avoid the Regestration were arrested and locked up in it.  
 
   And Steve never felt it was right (read the books, man) he just felt that Stark was going to kill them all if they kept resisting. Look at the death toll, man. Steves forces were being KILLED. 
 
   No offence, but if you add all these together, the answer isn't "Utopia". And while Stark isn't the "Master Of Reality", he never once stopped what he was doing...even when surrounded by dead former-friends. Finally, I offer the evidence that STARK knows it was all wrong, and (I'm quoting him) that "It wasn't worth it." 
 
   That's the best evidence. Stark knows it's his fault, and blames himself. Carol Danvers - previously his biggest cheerleader - blames him. The whole thing was NOT a Skrull scheme, as it came from the mind of Stark and Reed...and they wern't Skrulls. All the Skrulls did was go along with it as Starks plan helped them distablize the world. When the Skrulls are going along with your plan, you know your plan stinks.

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   That's the best evidence. Stark knows it's his fault, and blames himself. Carol Danvers - previously his biggest cheerleader - blames him. The whole thing was NOT a Skrull scheme, as it came from the mind of Stark and Reed...and they wern't Skrulls. All the Skrulls did was go along with it as Starks plan helped them distablize the world. When the Skrulls are going along with your plan, you know your plan stinks.

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Much like Cyclops, Tony Stark came into writers that intentionally made you try to dislike him. Neither character was originally depicted so much of a …well…douche. In fact, originally Scott Summers and Tony were quite likable men at one time in the comics. Seems so long ago now. I cannot say why they did what they did to Iron Man, the original concept was redeeming a weapons manufacturer, but I always felt that writers sacrificed Cyclops at the expense of making Wolverine look “cooler” in the eyes of the young and impressionably rebellious anti-hero teens.    

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Ya he sucks

" @Vance Astro said:

" Iron Man isn't a douchebag.Everything he does is for the greater good he just doesn't always know the right thing to do. "

so he is just an imbecile moron ?  
 
thats just great...
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Tony's the douchiest bunch of douches that ever douched in the history of douche.
 
But he's alright.

"Tony's the douchiest bunch of douches that ever douched in the history of douche.  But he's alright. "

Iron Man is a cool douchebag.

heck no he beat up Captain America, in my book he is a god ;)

@The Lethal Protector said:

" @Darkchild: Iron Man got his ASS KICKED in Civil War. Spiderman tore him up when Iron Man tried to shut down his suit, Captain America MURDERED him... Iron Man fought dirty with Cap, but once Cap put his feet down Iron Man got torn up. That piece of crap armor was getting smashed to pieces by Cap. Captain America won that war, but unfortunately he surrendered because he saw what the war was doing. It was killing, dividing, destroying people and relationships and trust.  @Halo: What he did was unjust. Trying to force people to join his side, trying to control and everything else. He meant well, but he went down a dirty path foolishly agreeing with the government whom only wanted to control people, they used the registration act as the perfect excuse to do what they wanted to do all along: control people with powers. Captain America saw that, and also saw it violated civil rights and freedom. That's like saying because a black person killed, all of them must register.  It's no different than racism.  "

   Thanks for pointing that out, Lethal. I'm tired of people quacking "Tony tried his best." and "He had good intentions." yet always ignoring the terrible things he did in the name of his grand scheme. It's not that Tony is a villain, but he DID use the sort of tactics that many a villain has used in the past. Some people will never accept this.

He's trying to get rid of weaponry in the world and made a WEAPON to do it. That is so hypocritical and makes him the ULTIMATE DOUCHEBAG!

"heck no he beat up Captain America, in my book he is a god ;) "

two words man, civil war, helped to cause the skrull invasion and cause of all his actions dark reign has happened. yeah he's an ass!

long time ago, iron man vs Namor thread made myself an image
 

" @Darkchild: Iron Man got his ASS KICKED in Civil War. Spiderman tore him up when Iron Man tried to shut down his suit, Captain America MURDERED him... Iron Man fought dirty with Cap, but once Cap put his feet down Iron Man got torn up. That piece of crap armor was getting smashed to pieces by Cap. Captain America won that war, but unfortunately he surrendered because he saw what the war was doing. It was killing, dividing, destroying people and relationships and trust.  @Halo: What he did was unjust. Trying to force people to join his side, trying to control and everything else. He meant well, but he went down a dirty path foolishly agreeing with the government whom only wanted to control people, they used the registration act as the perfect excuse to do what they wanted to do all along: control people with powers. Captain America saw that, and also saw it violated civil rights and freedom. That's like saying because a black person killed, all of them must register.  It's no different than racism.  "

"An obvious answer. YES. "

"@InnerVenom123 said:

"An obvious answer. YES. "

Uh.... no "

@Darkchild: Iron Man got his ASS KICKED in Civil War. Spiderman tore him up when Iron Man tried to shut down his suit, Captain America MURDERED him... Iron Man fought dirty with Cap, but once Cap put his feet down Iron Man got torn up. That piece of crap armor was getting smashed to pieces by Cap. Captain America won that war, but unfortunately he surrendered because he saw what the war was doing. It was killing, dividing, destroying people and relationships and trust.     

" @Lupine: You know, you can be a Douchebag and human at the same time ! "

I dont think hes a douche even though he did some crappy things. He was doing what he thought was right, I mean if people did show up with powers and you werent one of them you would want them to register.  Although if you did get powers you would  see it as an invasion of privacy. Iron man doesnt really have powers so guess which way he saw it.

Don't think he's that bad... He's got a lot of problems, sure! But he does what he thinks is right. 
And his reaction in Civil War: The Confession sorta makes me think that it wasn't all in his control anyway. Tony's never been an all good guy, but he's tried, right? That's what counts. At least to me it does. And if Captain America believes in you... Well. Even I say that's something!

@Antiochus: I love your reasoning. I've said this before on this site and I'm going to say it again

What Tony does is sacrifice his life (personal life and his well-being) to do what he believes to be right (which, even though most people don't see it that way, is almost always the case). He's very often resented and hated for his choices because, unlike Tony, most people (including his closest friends: Cap. for example) either can't or simply choose not to see the big picture (which is why he's the best futurist in the Marvel universe). He knows very well the effect his actions will cause on the way people see him, but as he knows it's for their own good (generally in the long-run) he makes the hard choice and plays the role of the "bad guy" even though it hurts him (especially when his closest friends don't seem to understand his very logical - in my opinion anyway - reasoning). Most impressive to me is that he does this time and again ( not all of them being on the same scale of cause and effect - Civil War being the highest - but still) and leaving pretty much everyone out of it - decision making-wise - so that he doesn't cause anymore harm to them than what is absolutely unavoidable. Though I'll admit he could have handled things a bit differently in some situations, and in doing so acting less douchy. But that's just it, I'm sure most won't agree but I believe he was just acting out the part of a jerk because that was the only way of getting things to work (seeing as he already tried it Cap's way, which didn't work)

Point is he's my absolute favorite superhero (followed by Batman) I think he's a great man, just very misunderstood.